Monsanto's Harvest of Fear 517
Cognitive Dissident writes "Intellectual property thuggery is not restricted to the IT and entertainment industries. The May 2008 edition of Vanity Fair carries a major feature article on the mafiaa-like tactics of Monsanto in its pursuit of total domination of various facets of agribusiness. First in GM seeds with its 'Roundup Ready' crops designed to sell more of its Roundup herbicide, and more recently in milk production with rBGH designed to squeeze more milk out of individual cows, Monsanto has been resorting to increasingly over-the-top tactics to prevent what it sees as infringement or misrepresentation of its biotechnology. As with other forms of IP tyranny, the point is not really to help the public but to consolidate corporate power. Quotes: 'Some compare Monsanto's hard-line approach to Microsoft's zealous efforts to protect its software from pirates. At least with Microsoft the buyer of a program can use it over and over again. But farmers who buy Monsanto's seeds can't even do that.' and '"I don't know of a company that chooses to sue its own customer base," says Joseph Mendelson, of the Center for Food Safety. "It's a very bizarre business strategy." But it's one that Monsanto manages to get away with, because increasingly it's the dominant vendor in town.' Sound familiar?"
And if you won't buy them voluntarily (Score:3, Informative)
Re:This ain't a charity (Score:5, Informative)
right until the modified crop contaminates their supply and they get sued for keeping the seeds [wikipedia.org].
Re:Pure Evil (Score:5, Informative)
please take the time to watch this video.
What everyone should know about monsanto and the ill will they do to our world.
Agribusiness is rotten to the core (Score:4, Informative)
The problem is mostly farm policy, which--like Social Security--seems to be too complicated a problem for our legislators to do anything about.
Re:This ain't a charity (Score:5, Informative)
[farmonline.com.au]
note 4 years for Australian farmers, ten years for EU farmers...
The World according to Monsanto (Score:2, Informative)
Re:This ain't a charity (Score:5, Informative)
If you read the decision, not the various sites put up supporting Mr Schmeiser, you find it came about because Mr. Schmeiser identified the round-up resisant plants, then isolated them so they would increase in strength and then saved those seeds. He was deliberatly breeding seeds he knew were contaminated.
TV Documentary / Book on Monstanto (Score:3, Informative)
There is a French Journalist Marie Monique ROBIN who wrote a book [amazon.fr] on Monsanto and its GMO Products. There was a TV documentary done by the same person. I watched it.
I must say that if I am rather favorable to controlled GMO use, the way monsanto designs their product and their method are frightening. Even if the documentary has a strong anti-GMO bias, the objection (on food safety law and on incomplete studies) are more than troubling.
This is much worse than Microsoft. It may be necessary to investagate deeply in Monsanto's practices and sanction the abuse in order to save the very GMO technology. These guys are defnitly bad.
Re:Pure Evil (Score:5, Informative)
F.Y.I.: (Score:4, Informative)
Re:TV Documentary / Book on Monstanto (Score:1, Informative)
Re:Ya can't win (Score:4, Informative)
Your ignorance on this matter is so profound I simply don't have time to disabuse you of it. Please do just a little research before shooting off your mouth like this. I'd suggest:
http://www.psrast.org/ [psrast.org]
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2001/03/14/gm-foods-part-one.aspx [mercola.com]
http://online.sfsu.edu/~rone/GEessays/gedanger.htm [sfsu.edu]
as places to start. If you have any real interest in informing yourself about the situation, that is.
Re:This ain't a charity (Score:3, Informative)
How about this for an actual trial?
From the BBC News (May 21, 2004) [bbc.co.uk]:
Re: rBGH and more... (Score:3, Informative)
Anyway the film is worth watching and if I recall correctly they didn't mind people sharing it.
Re:the pharmaceutical industry (Score:1, Informative)
Re:Pure Evil (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Pure Evil (Score:4, Informative)
It doesn't even make ecological sense. Butterflies weren't exposed to the bT toxin in corn pollen because they don't eat corn pollen, it's well-known that milkweed is the food source for monarchs.
There's not a single serious entomologist - crop or otherwise - who puts any credence in the "Monsanto is killing teh butterflies!" nonsense. It's been universally discredited.
For those not aware, Monsanto has been avidly continuing to research ways to ensure that crops will die and not reproduce.
Right - as a safety protocol. I mean, it's amazing - the very same post where you complain about the possibilities and dangers of GM genes entering the wild, and Monsanto comes up with a way to allay that concern - and to you, that's just more evidence that they're "evil."
This company is messing around with the very code of life itself.
And so were the meso-American farmers who originally created corn, 7500 years ago. You don't seem to bat an eye when pre-industrial peoples are doing it for profit - or maybe you're just, as is indicated, completely ignorant about the history of crop husbandry and genetics - but the minute modern people are doing it for profit, suddenly that's "evil."
You're a reactionary, ignorant luddite.
An example might be getting rid of Dengue Fever, or the elimination of Malaria, etc.
How about feeding people? Starvation is the root cause of the top five causes of death, worldwide. It kills far, far more people than those two diseases. Combined.
We're talking genetics here.
Well, I am. God only knows what the fuck you're on about, but it certainly has no basis in scientific, genetic reality.
Re: rBGH and more... (Score:2, Informative)
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- wonder why so many Indian farmers are committing suicide with pesticide?
Many misrepresentations in article (Score:1, Informative)
First in GM seeds with its 'Roundup Ready' crops designed to sell more of its Roundup herbicide
"Roundup Ready" or glyphosphate-resistant crops actually weren't developed by GM techniques, but by regular selective breeding. And the point of RR is not that you use more pesticide, but actually that you use less - because you can treat the field at a stage when the plants are younger, and more susceptible to a smaller dosage, than you can when you have to wait for your crops to be hardy enough to withstand indirect exposure.
At least with Microsoft the buyer of a program can use it over and over again. But farmers who buy Monsanto's seeds can't even do that.'
No modern farmer "reuses" seeds, GM or no. Modern hybrids don't breed true, for one thing. And by planting part of the harvest, you miss out on protective seed-coat treatments, and terrestrial pests eat your crops before they've even sprouted.
For some reason Monsanto comes under fire from people who would rather distort the facts, or argue from a position of hostile ignorance, than debate the case on its merits. Monsanto does plenty of things I think are wrong, particularly their legal department, but figuring out ways for farmers to get larger yields with less pesticide use, less land use, and less water use certainly isn't one of them. For christ's sake, when did feeding people become something "evil"? What, you thought we could feed a world of 6 billion people organically? Forgetting for a moment the fact that organic crops are less safe, there's simply not enough arable land and water for that to be realistic.
Re:This ain't a charity (Score:5, Informative)
Re:This ain't a charity (Score:1, Informative)
Monsanto's patent on the original round-up ready canola expires 2 years from now (2010) [biotech-info.net], after which you can do whatever you want with that plant and its modifications.
They will have to innovate to keep their market.
This might be why the court decided to grant them 'insane' rights on the plant, because after the patent expires, it's a free-for-all.
Re:This ain't a charity (Score:3, Informative)
We can argue about how crazy patent laws are, but don't try to characterize that case as Monsanto suing a guy that harvested a field with some accidental cross-pollination.
In Missouri: a law to ban "BGH Free" labeling (Score:5, Informative)
Sorry, but that's evil. As a consumer, regardless of whether I like BGH or hate it, I have a right to know. There are enough people concerned about the possible effects of BGH that they want to steer clear. But if Monsanto gets their way with this bill, how will a Missouri consumer be able to know?
This is just one example of Monsanto's evil-ness. There are similar bills in other states in the US that are written by Monsanto lobbyists as well. It needs to be stopped. Yes, I've written my house representatives and told them I am against the bill.
Re:This ain't a charity (Score:3, Informative)
This guy took it a step further by knowingly and deliberately selected for the Monsanto trait. He actually killed off all of the non-Monsanto rapeseed deliberately.
I happen to agree with you, I think. But that doesn't mean that you and I get to set public policy in Canada.
Re:Pure Evil (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Sigh (Score:4, Informative)
Re:This ain't a charity (Score:3, Informative)
http://www.mindfully.org/GE/2004/Monsanto-V-Schmeiser-Ruling21may04.htm [mindfully.org]
I quote:
"The respondents are the licensee and owner, respectively, of a patent that discloses the invention of chimeric genes that confer tolerance to glyphosate herbicides such as Roundup and cells containing those genes. Canola containing the patented genes and cells is marketed under the trade name "Roundup Ready Canola". The appellants grow canola commercially in Saskatchewan. The appellants never purchased Roundup Ready canola nor obtained a licence to plant it. Tests of their 1998 canola crop revealed that 95-98 per cent was Roundup Ready Canola. The respondents brought an action against the appellants for patent infringement. The trial judge found the patent to be valid and allowed the action, concluding that the appellants knew or ought to have known that they saved and planted seed containing the patented gene and cell and that they sold the resulting crop also containing the patented gene and cell."
I am sorry, but this windblown nonsense is a crock of bullshit. 95-98% is clearly a deliberate action to circumvent.
If Monsanto was going after somebody who had a small percentage of contamination, I would be mad at Monsanto too. But this was clearly a cynical action and even worse a program to manipulate public opinion with a campaign of disinformation using politically motivated media sources.
Re:In Missouri: a law to ban "BGH Free" labeling (Score:3, Informative)
Now if they are talking about rBGH, recombinant BGH, which is injected in cattle to increase milk rate the reason for the law is to prevent consumer fear based on ignorance. If I put two glasses of milk in front of you, with from cows with rBGH injections and one without there is no way you can scientifically tell the difference.
The reason for the laws are that people are using fear and ignorance to stop a product. It is no more evil for this law then for laws that say you cannot advertise a brand of baby food by saying there are no ground up cat and dog meat in your product or you are the only local mortuary that has a 100% guarantee that your workers will not have sex with the corpses.
If they want to do additional advertisement get an organic label, which already means no rBGH or advertise that you do more testing then required by FDA. However both of those don't build on the fear and ignorance of the consumer and don't promote the goals of the anti-GM groups.
Re:Pure Evil (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Sigh (Score:3, Informative)