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Google to Begin Storing Patients' Health Records 214

mytrip writes with news that Google's health record archive is about to be tested with the assistance of the Cleveland Clinic. Thousands of patients (who must approve the transfer of information) will have access to everything from their medical histories to lab results through what Google considers a "logical extension" of their search engine. We discussed the planning of this system last year. "Each health profile, including information about prescriptions, allergies and medical histories, will be protected by a password that's also required to use other Google services such as e-mail and personalized search tools. The health venture also will provide more fodder for privacy watchdogs who believe Google already knows too much about the interests and habits of its users as its computers log their search requests and store their e-mail discussions. Prodded by the criticism, Google last year introduced a new system that purges people's search records after 18 months. In a show of its privacy commitment, Google also successfully rebuffed the U.S. Justice Department's demand to examine millions of its users' search requests in a court battle two years ago."
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Google to Begin Storing Patients' Health Records

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  • Double-edged sword (Score:5, Interesting)

    by calebt3 ( 1098475 ) on Friday February 22, 2008 @12:22AM (#22511492)
    On one hand, it would be convenient to have this archive available so that we can access our records without the hassle of dealing with the healthcare system. On the other side, all that data has only the strength of your password standing between it and the Black Market.
  • How much access? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by teslatug ( 543527 ) on Friday February 22, 2008 @01:09AM (#22511738)
    Just how much will they be able to access? They can already access some type of information through the MyChart website. Why do they need Google anyway? Why not keep it permanently on CCF's site?
  • by saratchandra ( 847748 ) on Friday February 22, 2008 @01:53AM (#22511930) Homepage

    Google also successfully rebuffed the U.S. Justice Department's demand
    Can anyone be sure that they haven't complied with a National Security Letter(NSL) demanding them to hand over user data? And even if they did comply, we wouldn't know about it because of the terms of a NSL.

    So all this talk about Google standing up to protect user data from the US Administration is as true and verifiable as their motto itself ("Don't be evil").

  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 22, 2008 @02:04AM (#22511982)
    Microsoft has already been testing there HealthVault system at http://health.live.com [live.com]. There's a clear battleground here: ultimately, with an ageing population and an increasingly technological population, the market for health record keeping is huge money making opportunity. Google's goal of organizing the world's information doesn't stop at public data; the most important data to each of us is our own personal data, and of that, our health data if the most valuable. People are willing to spend their life-savings just to stay a little. The drug industry already knows that.
  • In fact (Score:3, Interesting)

    by WindBourne ( 631190 ) on Friday February 22, 2008 @02:26AM (#22512082) Journal
    I have thought that when AQ (or even China) decides to get real serious with attacking the west, it will be via a computer attack. Most likely, they will hit a number of windows systems which have loads of our information on it. With the data on us, simply run the banks. By doing that, they could transfer not just billions out of the country, but cause such chaos here, that it would be difficult to have a unified front. WHile I really want to see Linux come on strong, I like that Gates has been pushing Windows into countries that America may have future issues with (china comes to mind). This health data typically has enough info to allow the run on the bank.
  • Re:Great... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by jerdenn ( 86993 ) <jerdenn@dennany.org> on Friday February 22, 2008 @02:32AM (#22512106)
    Google isn't actually behind Microsoft, as Microsoft's implementation of healthvault is actually somewhat questionable. It's as if the company paid no attention to existing standards, and decided to implement a PHR system however they damn well pleased. CDA or CCD support? What's that? IHE standards?

    If anything, Microsoft is ahead in the game of press releases, but certainly not in a functioning and useful Electronic Health Records system.
  • HIPAA compliance? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by palegray.net ( 1195047 ) <philip DOT paradis AT palegray DOT net> on Friday February 22, 2008 @03:04AM (#22512218) Homepage Journal
    I have to wonder how Google is approaching the legal requirements for HIPAA [hhs.gov] compliance with respect to the storage and retrieval of healthcare information. Anyone got any pointers on this?
  • Re:Cleveland Clinic (Score:5, Interesting)

    by burner ( 8666 ) on Friday February 22, 2008 @03:15AM (#22512244) Homepage Journal
    But I _do_ want online access to my health records. Does this mean my health provider must build and maintain a health record server onsite in order to provide me this? If I see multiple providers, do I have to carry around a list of URLs so they can share this data?

    It only makes sense for a trusted third party (with technical expertise) to hold onto this data. Personally, I trust a government (state or federal) or non-profit program with community oversight to a for-profit corporation for this. Others may simply not want any digital health records, just like some folks don't want to have online access to their bank account.
  • by EmotionToilet ( 1083453 ) on Friday February 22, 2008 @03:19AM (#22512266)
    why? Can you list other companies I could trust as much? I don't mind anyone going through my medical records. I haven't been to the doctor in years so there probably isn't anything there. And I don't think microsoft or google are interested in going through my medical records. But I would feel more secure having them on a google server than a MS server. Some companies I trust and some I don't. I trust google. I like how they do business. I don't care for microsoft. I don't feel I can trust them.
  • Privacy Ammendment (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Phoenix666 ( 184391 ) on Friday February 22, 2008 @03:36AM (#22512358)
    I sincerely hope that Obama wins the Whitehouse, and I sincerely hope that he acts to finally put a Constitutional Ammendment guaranteeing the right to Privacy on the books.

    As a professor of Constitutional law at the University of Chicago, he should be abundantly aware of how fragile our right to privacy is in this country, being that it's an inferred right that rests only on precedent.
  • by homesteader ( 585925 ) on Friday February 22, 2008 @04:29AM (#22512516)
    I've been wondering for the last few years why no one is doing this. I read about studies that are considered HUGE where there are 50,000 participants. Many studies are only in the hundreds. What happens when you can do statistical analysis on millions of patient records? It would seem to me that the potential for finding trends amongst otherwise disparate symptoms would be amazing.

    As a poster above noted, finding a way to query the data is a problem. Finding ways to anonymize patient information is a problem(how many elements of medical history does it take to identify a human?) But in the end, if google were subsidizing my health care, I just might say do whatever the fuck you want with my charts!

    Which brings this back to one of the question of the century: When will the consumer own it's own data? Today this might be a service Google looks to sell as "You pay us to data warehouse your medical records", but tomorrow it might be "You pay us to mine the data warehouse that we've established."

    Are the inconsistencies of patients chart data too much of an obstacle to overcome? I'd hate to think that Google is just doing this as a form of Web 2.0 SAS, 'pay me to do what you used to do yourself' service. I've always imagined that Google figures, if they get enough data in one place, something magical will happen. Medical research of millions or hundreds of millions of patient histories seems like it could be magical.
  • Re:Great... (Score:1, Interesting)

    by skaimauve ( 1004305 ) on Friday February 22, 2008 @05:50AM (#22512800)
    Sorry but I saw two years ago an implementation of Microsoft data center code name Wildcat ant it was usable. It was not complete, but very usable. It the time, they were looking for partners to hook into their data center.
  • by DancesWithBlowTorch ( 809750 ) on Friday February 22, 2008 @08:28AM (#22513390)
    I live in Europe, and I have no idea where my immunization passport currently is. I've moved five times in the last twelve months, changing countries twice, so it could be anywhere on the continent, really. Since I've forgot what I was immunized against, the only way to find out is to take blood sample and run it through expensive lab tests.

    Same as with tax records, really: Not every paper solution is automatically non-fragile.

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