Physicist Calculates Trajectory of Tiger At SF Zoo 713
KentuckyFC writes "Is it really possible for a 350-pound tiger to leap a 12.5-foot barrier from 33 feet away? (Said another way: a 159-kg tiger, a 3.8 m barrier, and 10 m away.) A physicist at Northeastern University has done the math, a straightforward problem in ballistics, and the answer turns out to be yes (abstract on the physics arXiv). But I guess we already knew that following the death of Carlos Souza at the paws of Tatiana, a Siberian Tiger he had allegedly been taunting at San Francisco zoo at the end of last year."
Wow, talk about an unsafe zoo! (Score:3, Interesting)
Inaccuracies (Score:4, Interesting)
Then the tiger's centre of mass is probably about 2.5ft up anyway so it more about being able to jump 33ft flat.
Also speed doesn't translate into distance in this simplistic way either: if it did humans would be almost able to jump the distance (max speed = 26.25mph) which is close as damm it to the 26.7mph required.
There's more going on here (Score:2, Interesting)
A lot (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:the tiger had superior knowledge of the situati (Score:3, Interesting)
Except, apparently, the Zoo knew that the 12 foot wall was four feet short of recommended guidelines for containing a healthy man-eating tiger in the presence of the general public. Also, the Zoo should quite rationally be fully aware that in any sample of the general public, there will be jackasses who would like to taunt said cats, and also vulnerable people who are completely innocent nearby, should the tiger still be hungry after eating said jackass.
A word on tiger behavior (Score:4, Interesting)
I don't know whether or not those boys taunted the tiger, and honestly, I'm not sure it would have made a difference. But I'm fairly certain the tiger would not have "settled down" after only killing a couple of people, not when the place was filled with fearful, slow two-legged animals acting like "prey". Welcome to the world of wild animals.
blue
The SF Zoo? Hah! (Score:1, Interesting)
Absolutely not surprising (Score:4, Interesting)
He should have just watched this video... (Score:5, Interesting)
The asian elephant in this is about 12' tall. Back story: A tiger escaped from a preserve in India (Kaziranga National Park) and had killed a couple of farm animals. She was training her cubs to hunt. Rangers had found the cubs and took them (which I find incredibly stupid because now she's stressed and looking for them). Riding elephants, they found the female in the brush and tried to tranquilize her, but the dart missed. What happened next [youtube.com] should give you and idea what the jerks in the SF zoo saw.
The elephant trainer survived, but was badly wounded.
Re:So he taunted... why difference does it make? (Score:4, Interesting)
One that is several feet taller than this one was would have done it. Adrenaline isn't magic, and its performance boost is finite. It obeys the laws of physics like everything else.
The fact that the tiger was enraged doesn't mean that no cage could have held her. The sort of unlimited rage bonus your question seems to imply only comes into play if the tiger has been exposed to gamma rays.
Distance (Score:4, Interesting)
One night I was watching some European wolves pace around there cage, when one caught my eye. Eye contact bad! It walked slowly down the exhibit and launched at the wall hitting the top. I left quickly... The Mexican wolves were rumored to escape often.
People want to see the animals, and like everything else in this world it is a balance of risks. It's bad enough that the animals appear so sedate, but compound that with a realistic safe distance, and it would be a recipe for disaster. There was a reason they used bars back in the day.
The tiger didn't clear the wall (Score:3, Interesting)
Oh noes! My Ideology is being challenged! (Score:3, Interesting)
Back when the zoo was built, no one knew the enclosure height was a problem. Now, with a private, profit driven entity controlling the zoo, you might think they have an incentive to avoid lawsuits. But what they really have an incentive to do is profit, and if that means letting people die because lawsuits are cheaper than building a replacement enclosure, then so be it. With a public zoo like we have here in Albuquerque, they are more worried about educating the public, conserving species diversity, and yes, their image, than they are about making money.
Sorry to challenge your free market ideology like that, but privatization sucks because profit over everything as a motive sucks. Modern economic research shows that most non-sociopaths are driven more by ideals of fairness and reciprocity than personal gain, so they will not try to profit over all else. What our system actually does is encourage sociopaths.
Very Interesting (Score:5, Interesting)
Who says animals are stupid?
How many tigers in the world (Score:5, Interesting)
The number of tigers in zoos is about 4000.
As many as 3000 tigers may be in farms in China, being raised to sell as traditional medicine for people whose penises aren't big enough or who think their bones will make them stronger.
The number of tigers that are kept as pets by Americans is about 6000. There are animal activists like Tippi Hedren trying to make laws against keeping tigers as pets, because almost nobody who has pet tigers has enough space and resources to let them live like tigers need to, especially the occasional drug dealer in some apartment building in New York who wanted to out-macho his competitors' pit bulls. She's well-intentioned, but the species needs all the genetic diversity it can get, even though tigers aren't meant to live like house-cats.
Re:Hmm (Score:1, Interesting)
Spare me the sympathy for morons. I never did anything that dumb when I was young, and anyone who does deserves to die. Any idiot knows you don't taunt dangerous wild animals, even if there's a fence. In fact, it takes a rather sick and twisted individual to taunt a caged animal IMO, so I'm extra happy they got mauled for it.
Again people do stupid things every day, especially teenagers, it doesn't mean they deserve to die.
Yes, it does. We need less stupid people in the world, and less stupid actions. Maybe if people had to pay the price for their stupid actions, they'd think more carefully before committing them.
Perhaps you would have been happy to repeat your view to this kid's grieving family? Perhaps you would have felt the same way if it was your child?
I wouldn't raise a child to be that stupid or twisted. I'd be happy to repeat my view to this moron's stupid family, who probably had a big hand in making him the person he was. I know I was raised a lot better than to get drunk and high and then go taunt caged animals. Unfortunately, it seems that the popular American view is that we should raise our kids to be spoiled brats who don't think about others and only care about themselves, and that's exactly what we saw in this incident. Good riddance to the moron, and too bad the others didn't get killed before the cops got there.
Dont be an idiot (Score:3, Interesting)
It doesn't matter *how* you create the mankilling tiger. Yes, so sad for the tiger, but you can be damn sure I'll choose for the tiger to die over any human life.
And contrary to popular thought, this wasn't the first time the tiger mauled somebody. It had mauled one of the zoo staff prior to being taunted by this punk kid. It's fair to say that this previous incident lowered the tiger's threshold for going on a kill frenzy.