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Helium Crisis Approaching 501

vrmlguy writes "Within nine years the National Helium Reserve will be depleted, according to an article in Science Daily. It quotes Dr. Lee Sobotka, of Washington University in St. Louis: 'Helium is non-renewable and irreplaceable. Its properties are unique and unlike hydrocarbon fuels (natural gas or oil), there are no biosynthetic ways to make an alternative to helium. All should make better efforts to recycle it.' (The St. Louis Post-Dispatch has a local article with quotes from Dr. Sobotka and representatives of the balloon industry.) On Earth, Helium is found mixed with natural gas, but few producers capture it. Extracting it from the atmosphere is not cost-effective. The US created a stockpile, the National Helium Reserve, in 1925 for use by military dirigibles, but stopped stockpiling it in 1995 as a cost-saving measure."
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Helium Crisis Approaching

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  • A lost age (Score:2, Interesting)

    by wish bot ( 265150 ) on Monday January 14, 2008 @09:14AM (#22033504)
    Children's parties will never be the same.
  • by Billosaur ( 927319 ) * <<wgrother> <at> <optonline.net>> on Monday January 14, 2008 @09:18AM (#22033526) Journal

    Want to replace the helium lost and create cleaner, more abundant energy? Now is a good time to pour some more money into fusion research to try and get over the hump and create sustainable fusion reactions.

  • wha?! (Score:3, Interesting)

    by wwmedia ( 950346 ) on Monday January 14, 2008 @09:30AM (#22033606)
    is Helium like the second most common element in the universe?
  • by Chrisq ( 894406 ) on Monday January 14, 2008 @09:38AM (#22033676)
    If the price increases enough every natural gas producer will separate helium. This will postpone the problem until we run out of natural gas, possibly 30 to 50 years away. I am sure that when the western world runs out of these resources our previous fair dealings with the Arab world and Eastern Europe will help us negotiate some fair deals.
  • by ssorrrell ( 991131 ) on Monday January 14, 2008 @10:27AM (#22034188) Homepage
    I live in Amarillo, TX where the Helium plant used to be. Check to the Amarillo Globe News to find out what happened to it. They closed it for financial reasons, not lack of helium. It sold last year to a developer. Had been closed ~10 yrs or so and had not been updated for decades before then. When they built it, it was the edge of town. Town grew out to it. This is a stupid story. There is no lack of helium only a change in government policy.
  • Re:Peak Everything (Score:3, Interesting)

    by fireboy1919 ( 257783 ) <rustyp AT freeshell DOT org> on Monday January 14, 2008 @10:29AM (#22034202) Homepage Journal
    Do take a stroll by any of your local industrial plants -- doesn't matter what it is. Steel, say. Or a gas liquification plant. Now figure out how you're going to get all of that into space.
    Once you're in space, orbit around the sun is easy because there's no friction. Energy expenditures for going long distances aren't much - only what it takes to start and stop. Getting into space, though....

    Now figure out how you're going to shield it from radiation
    Big chunks of metal (Faraday's cages)
    , and feed the hundreds of employees.
    Lets not bring people into this. People can't survive very long without gravity. Industrial robots will be doing this. Telerobots, for sure. People will probably be doing administration of them using radio signals.
    And keep in mind all of that capacity is to produce something for a regional demand, not a global demand
    The things will have to be bigger than aircraft carriers. They will likely cost trillions of dollars and use enough metals to rival the total yearly consumption of metal right now. Probably large portions will have to be made of glass based solely on the fact that we can't get enough metal to cover everything. Its trips will probably take decades, and it'll bring back hundreds of tons of new material.

    Even when you've got it, now figure out how you're going to get it back down to the ground.
    Big ceramic boxes+gravity. Presumably the materials to make new big metal boxes will be mined.

    Seems like the only really, really hard problems are how to be able to escape the earth's gravity whenever we want...and the logistical problem of getting every nation on the planet working together to produce this thing. Are these two issues insurmountable?
  • No, acetylene! (Score:3, Interesting)

    by swb ( 14022 ) on Monday January 14, 2008 @10:34AM (#22034254)
    This girl I once fu^H^Hdated had this crazy, mad-scientist brother who used to put on a "show" on the 4th of July which involved trash bags filled with acetylene he got from some welding place. I think he used model rocket igniters.

    Anyway, he kind of won the Darwin award one dry very dry year when static electricity beat him to the punch. He only singed off the hair on his eyebrows and arms and didn't get serious burns or lose eyesight, but he quit the displays.
  • by WK2 ( 1072560 ) on Monday January 14, 2008 @10:35AM (#22034264) Homepage

    Well as it gets scarce the prices will go up. Maybe some people should start hoarding now :).

    I thought of that. The problem is that it doesn't stay contained very well. If you bought one of those tanks, and never used it, it wouldn't keep for more than a few years. Even 100% air-tight containers might have a hard time containing helium.

  • by Sockatume ( 732728 ) on Monday January 14, 2008 @10:41AM (#22034354)
    It's the superconductivity which is really important. Nuclear imaging and experimental high-energy physics are pretty much dependent on magnets at liquid helium temperatures. So, no MRIs in hospitals, and the likes of CERN (and other Big Physics Things) would become multi-million-dollar holes in the ground. Both of those would be pretty disasterous steps backwards for mankind, all for the want of two protons, two neutrons, and two electrons.
  • by swb ( 14022 ) on Monday January 14, 2008 @10:41AM (#22034368)
    Is aluminum really in that short of a supply, or is it a smelting shortage?

    There was a guy on Science Friday, Jerry Woodall of Purdue, who has a process of generating hydrogen from an aluminum alloy. I heard him on Science Friday on NRP and he never mentioned any kind of worldwide shortage of aluminum, although he was largely pushing the fact that the aluminum alloy used as a catalyst in his process was completely recyclable and reusable for the same process.

    I have heard there are supply problems related to aluminum smelting limitations, primarily due to the energy required -- in fact, I seem to recall that Iceland of all places is a leading refiner of aluminum due to the geothermal energy resources; its cheaper to ship the ore to Iceland and refine it and ship it out due to the immense "free" geothermal energy.
  • Re:Cost effective? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Rich0 ( 548339 ) on Monday January 14, 2008 @10:45AM (#22034398) Homepage
    Even if MRIs used high-temp superconductors they'd probably still need liquid helium. A few issues:

    First, most if not all high-temp superconductors are ceramics, which are hard to make into coils of wire. So that's why they don't get used much in magnets.

    Second, superconductivity is inhibited by magnetic fields - the lower the temperature the more field you can sustain. So even if you could barely get by with LN2 you still end up using He in magnets...
  • by manekineko2 ( 1052430 ) on Monday January 14, 2008 @10:47AM (#22034412)
    This is a great example of the concept of market failure for all those libertarians on Slashdot who blindly follow the church of the invisible hand.

    In a well-functioning market for a limited resource that a lot of people have access to, what is the result that pure capitalism creates? A race to the bottom competition in prices, which normally is great and one of the main advantages of capitalism, but in cases of limited resources might not be. It may well be that the most rational overall response would be to conserve the non-renewable resource, but humans value an immediate benefit over a distant one, and would rather feed themselves today than their children tomorrow.

    As a result, as soon as a few helium sellers lower their prices, then the entire market would have to follow, until soon the price of helium is based upon the current cost of extraction, rather than a higher, rational cost to society that maybe should be being imposed to preserve a non-renewable resource.

    This is a negative externality, something that without that bogeyman of government intervention stepping in, capitalism is unable to deal with effectively. The negative effects are felt by future generations, but the benefits are enjoyed by the current generations. Pure capitalism and market forces encourage the imposition of negative externalities, to the net detriment of all.

    In the long run, the result of the pure market system advocated by some here is that once supplies start running short, prices will increase as the supplies become scarce relative to demand. However, at that point we will already have frittered away 99% of our helium reserves, and it may be that many worthwhile usages will no long be economically feasible, despite being more efficient usages than the original wasteful usages that reduced the supply.
  • by Jaysyn ( 203771 ) on Monday January 14, 2008 @11:17AM (#22034750) Homepage Journal
    I've read numerous times that there is an estimated 300 years worth (@ current usage rate) of methane hydrates just around the Bermuda Triangle.

  • by WindBourne ( 631190 ) on Monday January 14, 2008 @11:45AM (#22035076) Journal
    but that has nothing to do with the helium. The helium that we are refering to in rock. There is none that is trap in the ocean, though it could be under the ocean floor, along with other NG pockets. The methane that is at the bottom of the ocean is solid due to the pressure. Helium does not become liquid, let alone solid at those wimpy pressures. Methane does.
  • by manekineko2 ( 1052430 ) on Monday January 14, 2008 @12:07PM (#22035370)
    By "limited resource that a lot of people have access to", I am not referring to a tragedy of the commons situation. I am referring to a situation, say, where there are finite quantities of helium deposits within the United States, and each of these deposits is held by private ownership.

    Currently, there is clear ownership, there is no significant government oversight, yet what is the net result going to be if left to the market? The helium reserves (according to the article, and I will proceed with its assumptions, as I have no view of my own on this matter) will be mostly depleted relatively shortly.

    What's the cause of this? It's true, owners have an incentive to leave it in the ground if it'll become valuable in the future. However, this only works perfectly in a world of perfectly rational abstracted actors. In the real world, owners also have an incentive to eat today, rather than starving now on the hope of a big payday in the future. Once the large capital investment has been made to install helium extractors, infrastructure, etc. on the wells, it is highly improbable an owner would let that all depreciate into nothing as you wait for a highly speculative payday in the future. It is only when the shortage is actually imminent, and the payday less speculative, that owners will realistically start holding off on pumping. It would be more realistic in the real world that owners would let it stay in the land if they hadn't already tapped it, but it does not appear from the article that this is the case.

    Regarding your quibble about my use of the word externality, as I understand it, an externality is an impact upon a party not involved in a given transaction, and this understanding is supported by Wikipedia. Here, the transactions in question are between helium extractors and helium buyers. Yet the negative impact is felt by future generations, who are not current parties to this, yet will have to live in a world with insufficient helium for scientific and engineering usages, if the premise of the article is to be believed. Hence, negative externality.
  • Re:No more helium? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by dakrin9 ( 891909 ) on Monday January 14, 2008 @12:24PM (#22035568)
    A great video of Jay Leno demonstrating sulfur hexafluoride: http://www.5min.com/Video/Jay-Leno-How-to-Float-a-Boat-on-Air-3542852 [5min.com]

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