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Open Source, Genetically Engineered Machines From a Kit? 157

An anonymous reader writes "Students in an MIT competition are helping to build a dev-kit for cells. Together with synthetic biologists, they're building a Registry of Standard Biological Parts called BioBricks. They aim to do for cells what open source software has done for computers. 'The competition is a showcase for the burgeoning field of synthetic biology. Knight and his colleagues Randy Rettberg and Drew Endy, who created the contest in 2004, want to make biological systems easy to build by applying the tools of computer science and engineering: using standard parts and modular design to simplify complex systems. The goal is to create "genetic Legos" that could produce any chemical, from ethanol to pharmaceuticals.'"
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Open Source, Genetically Engineered Machines From a Kit?

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  • Ha! I love it (Score:3, Interesting)

    by ByOhTek ( 1181381 ) on Thursday November 15, 2007 @04:25PM (#21369509) Journal
    I had a genetics prof in 2002/2003 some time, that said this kind of thing was at least 40 years off...

    I would love to stick this web page in his face.
  • New License on Life (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Doc Ruby ( 173196 ) on Thursday November 15, 2007 @04:38PM (#21369729) Homepage Journal

    A consortium of universities will release the first draft of the BioBrick Public License in 2008. It will allow anyone to use the biological parts -- essentially a cellular dev kit -- for free.

    What is this crap about a license taking months to produce and release? They should just release it with a license saying everything made with the kit is in the public domain, with the single exception to that disclaimer of all rights that any derivative must also come with that license. Why would it take more than 5 minutes to agree to release that license, and release it?

    When some university comes after me for metabolizing glucose as part of my job (moving a muscle during business hours, just like you sometimes do), I don't want to have to argue about some license they've got on some DNA they synthesized.

    All these patents on discovered genes are the purest BS violation of prior art. Any complexity in this BioBrick Public License will create more problems than it could ever solve.
  • by Mr.Ned ( 79679 ) on Thursday November 15, 2007 @04:46PM (#21369835)
    I saw a talk by Tom Knight recently about BioBricks. It's a cool concept.

    Some interesting points I remember from the talk:

    - His lab and others like it are trying to take the craft out of manipulating cells and make it an engineering discipline.

    - They've got ready-made kits of cell building blocks that you can piece together like Legos, and are adding thousands of new ones each year.

    - Cells are enormously more efficient at storing information that we can in silicon - 5 or 6 orders of magnitude more dense - but most cells aren't good at writing new data, just reading it.

    - Cells are really good at making precise structures at the atomic level, but our mechanical processes rely on statistics and probabilities to get things right. The smaller the structures get, the more a small statistical variation can really mess things up. Carbon nanotubes are much-hyped, and guess what's really good at making carbon structures?

    - Another useful critter that was created for the last competition detected arsenic in water. The best manufactured/chemical solution costs is tens of dollars per test; using these kits, undergraduates from Edinburgh created something over a summer that is so cheap the bottles to put it in are the dominate cost.
  • Re:Just what we need (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Xonstantine ( 947614 ) on Thursday November 15, 2007 @04:55PM (#21369987)
    My computer, my kitchen utensils, and my car can't kill tens of millions of people.

    This is simply a probability function. The more people that have the ability to create a biowarfare agent, the higher the chances that you'll have one released into the wild.

    Consider this. The DNA sequence for the 1918 avian flu virus is public domain. You can buy base pair sequences online. It's not that difficult to add 1 and 1 to get 2. This isn't really technology you want to democratize to the masses. The number of angst ridden hate the world biochemists is much smaller than the number of angst ridden pimple faced teenagers. Given the ability, sooner or later one of them is going to think it's a cool idea to wipe out half the human species and will try.
  • Scares me (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Reality Master 101 ( 179095 ) <<moc.liamg> <ta> <101retsaMytilaeR>> on Thursday November 15, 2007 @05:04PM (#21370095) Homepage Journal

    I don't think about it a whole lot, but back in my mind, I've thought that this is what will kill off all humans on the planet before the end of my natural life. Once you have cheap, easy engineering of microbial life, then all it takes is exactly ONE maniac to design a transmittable disease that will wipe out everyone.

    Don't think anyone would do that? Look at some of the more rabid environmentalists who think the worst thing that ever happened to Earth was humanity. Theodore Kaczinsky was a genius, and with only a slight modification of his psychosis, he would've been a guy who would've thought about wiping everyone out.

    Designing a disease like this would be almost pathetically simple with the right tools. Design it to be extremely infectious, but with an incubation period of 10 years before it starts killing. By the time people start dropping dead, it will be everywhere. 99% of everyone would be dead within months.

    I honestly don't see how it could NOT happen -- eventually. Yet another reason why we need to get people into space habitats.

    If any technology should be tightly controlled, this is it.

  • Re:Just what we need (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Xonstantine ( 947614 ) on Thursday November 15, 2007 @05:48PM (#21370739)

    Here it comes, alarmist without a clue of the field there worried about. At least your on the band wagon early with this one.
    Actually, I majored in biology and have done a fair amount of research into biowarfare agents. So I do, in fact, have a clue about what I'm talking about.

    If I'm being alarmist about this, why not let anyone buy weapons grade plutonium or uranium and publish functional weapons designs along with the CAD/CAM instructions? After all, using your logic it's alarmist to think anyone would actually go to the trouble of actually constructing and using a bomb.

    After all, the technical and monetary investment needed to build a nuclear bomb is several orders of magnitude greater than what is required to build a biological agent. If we don't have anything to worry about with biological agents, then obviously our nuke fears are overblown as well.
  • Re:Scares me (Score:2, Interesting)

    by iaminthetrunk ( 945825 ) on Thursday November 15, 2007 @06:52PM (#21371549) Homepage

    Once you have cheap, easy engineering of microbial life, then all it takes is exactly ONE maniac to design a transmittable disease that will wipe out everyone.
    Once you have cheap, easy engineering of microbial life, you also have thousands of people competent to work on cures, genetic enhancements, immune system upgrades, rapid turn-around vaccines, and so forth. Computers and programming languages didn't just produce script kiddies, they produces all the other benefits of computers and programming languages, from security researches to flash games to robotic assembly lines to the pending promise of hand-held real-time universal translation widgets. Genetic engineering brings extension of lifespan, curing of disease, creation of new life forms, preservation of extinct species, etc. Not that bio-bricks silver bullet such stuff, anymore than the first room-sized ENIAC instantly snapped universal translation into existence. Just that your alarmism sees a narrow range. If you can't keep the technology contained, one of the most rational things to do is make a large pool of benevolent people competent in the technology, to counteract the impact of the nutty minority who will attempt to misuse it.

    Designing a disease like this would be almost pathetically simple with the right tools. Design it to be extremely infectious, but with an incubation period of 10 years before it starts killing.
    The bio-bricks will make it easy to test that it works on humans, incubating for 10 years, eh? Or will you be testing it in a petri dish and presuming you can mod it defect-free to both work in humans and incubate for 10 years, setting aside the hilarity of how difficult such an incubation effect would be. Not even influenza or ebola kills 99 percent of people, incidentally, but don't let that stop your alarmist hyperbole. 10 years from now, I definately expect your genome will be decodable on the cheap inside a day, and we'll be well along in decoding a whole host of symbiotic gut bacteria and bloodstream chemicals and so forth. Most probably we'll be busy working on tech to monitor your blood chemistry real-time, and thinking about regularly, say, decoding the state and composition of your internal fauna on routine doctor visits. Remaining undetected 10 years from now seems to be more challenging than you breezily think it will be. A majority of script kiddies attacks from 10 years ago are negligible now, security layers and techniques advanced.

    If any technology should be tightly controlled, this is it.
    Technologies should be appropriately regulated with a judicious rational eye, as we do with dozens of technologies already. There's a delicious irony in yourself or someone you like dying from some variant flavor of disease years hence, because you were too alarmist to let me study the proteans and genetics of those cells as an intellectual hobby and contribute something worthwild, and I programmed flash games instead. If anything ought to be more tightly regulated, incidentally, it's parenting. I could do with less nutty people in the world to misuse technology in the first place. -evoke
  • the first teenage biohack will be vat-grown chicken mcnuggets to replace the real mcnuggets in their school cafeteria. this after 13 year old suzy mcqueasy visits a farm and it dawns on her for the first time where her hamburgers come from

    that's the kind of "less genocide" teenagers are concerned with

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