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Sharpest Images With "Lucky" Telescope 165

igny writes "Astronomers from the University of Cambridge and Caltech have developed a new camera that gives much more detailed pictures of stars and nebulae than even the Hubble Space Telescope, and does it from the ground. A new technique called 'Lucky imaging' has been used to diminish atmospheric noise in the visible range, creating the most detailed pictures of the sky in history."
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Sharpest Images With "Lucky" Telescope

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  • by Ant P. ( 974313 ) on Monday September 03, 2007 @09:15PM (#20458327)
    ...can the same be applied in space telescopes to get rid of the interference of the gas clouds they're looking at?
  • Spider-sense (Score:5, Interesting)

    by BitwizeGHC ( 145393 ) on Monday September 03, 2007 @09:26PM (#20458447) Homepage
    That is really quite amazing, and reminds me a bit of the jumping spiders whose retinas vibrate to increase their optic resolution.
  • Re:But surely... (Score:2, Interesting)

    by click2005 ( 921437 ) on Monday September 03, 2007 @09:29PM (#20458459)
    The technique takes the clearer portions from many images and merges them. The article says that some portions are less smeared than others but doesn't say if the atmoisphere was also magnifying the target or not. I know astronomers have used gravity from intervening distant objects to magnify other distant objects so couldn't a similar technique be used there?
  • Not convinced by TFA (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Oligonicella ( 659917 ) on Monday September 03, 2007 @09:59PM (#20458709)
    Just went and looked up the Cat's Eye Nebula as taken by the Hubble. Lot more detail. What gives? Someone able to explain that, please?
  • by tjstork ( 137384 ) <todd DOT bandrowsky AT gmail DOT com> on Monday September 03, 2007 @10:06PM (#20458759) Homepage Journal
    I would think that before the scientists claim victory over Hubble, let's see their camera best some of Hubble's best work:

    http://hubblesite.org/ [hubblesite.org]

    There's a number of excellent Hubble images of just about everything in our solar system to the most distant galaxies.

    I would put my money on Hubble, for two reasons.

    First, the averaging algorithm is not without its flaws. They make the assumption that by averaging out a bunch of images, you eliminate distortion. For this to work, you have to assume that the probability of a particular pixel being in the right spot is higher as the distortion would essentially be random, and that could theoretically not be the case. If the distortion is completely random, then, averaging a set of images would essentially lose the pixel that is being pushed around its "real" spot by the atmosphere, and you can actually see that, as the corrected images still look muddy compared to their HST or even adaptive optic counterparts.

    Secondly, the atmosphere doesn't just distort light, it also filters it. You can use averaging to remove distortion "noise", but, there's really no way to ascertain what information was removed by the atmosphere.

    The bottom line is, yes, you can get some pretty good results with averaging software, but, if you have money to spend, the best images are going to be space based, and its still going to cost a billion dollars. Given the promise the heavens hold for the advance of human understanding, let alone essentially infinite resources, one only hopes that policy makers will not be mislead by the outrageous claim that one can get the best images from the ground. You can't. HST should not be thought of as an aberration made obsolete by adaptative optics or the low budget averaging. Low budget averaging and adaptive optics really need to be thought of as getting by until we can put larger, and better visible wavelength telescopes into space.

    Imagine what a space based Mt. Palomar sized mirror could do, if in space!
  • Re:Lucky Imaging (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 03, 2007 @11:47PM (#20459537)
    Apologies for not having an account - but I would really like to ask a question for someone who understands the process.

    the wikipedia entry on this subject http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucky_imaging [wikipedia.org] states that new procedures take, '... advantage of the fact that the atmosphere does not "blur" astronomical images, but generally produces multiple sharp copies of the image'.

    Does the correction algorithm apply a single vector to each image (ie the entire frame is shifted in unity) to produce the composite, or is a vector field applied to every pixel point in the image to shift individually the pixels toward their correct centres? Also if it is pointwise what type of transform is being applied, affine , perspective etc.

       
  • No, and this is why. (Score:3, Interesting)

    by edunbar93 ( 141167 ) on Tuesday September 04, 2007 @03:06AM (#20460953)
    Interstellar gas clouds are pretty static. You would have to take one image every, say, year or maybe 100 years to really get any difference in the image quality. Whereas the earth's atmosphere produces an effect almost exactly the same as if you were to look at the bottom of a swimming pool, and in about the same timeframe.

    No, the images we get right now from space telescopes are the best we can get at any given epoch, and that's just the way it is.
  • by geowiz ( 571903 ) on Tuesday September 04, 2007 @03:40AM (#20461109)
    I invented this process in 1995.
    here is my original post on
    the sci.image.processing newsgroup
    my old email address is no longer active.
    new one is geopiloot at mindspring.com 9 reduce the numbers of ooo's in pilot to one
    it was ironic that many people jumped out to say it wouldn't work at the time.
    it does work and it works well. In fact most of the additive image processing now done by amateur astronomers everywhere using pc's software is based on my invention which I did not patent.

    George Watson

    From: George Watson (71360.2455@CompuServe.com)
    Subject: virtual variable geometry telescope
    This is the only article in this thread
    View: Original Format
    Newsgroups: sci.image.processing
    Date: 1995/12/11

    Has anyone implemented a virtual variable geometry telescope using
    only a CCD attached to a normal non variable telescope?

    It would work like this:

    Take extremely short duration images from the CCD at a frequency
    faster than the frequency of atmospheric distortion (1/60 sec I have
    read is the minimal needed timeslice for physically corecting
    atmospheric distortion in real time so maybe an exposure of 1/120 sec
    would be short enough).

    Choose via computer a high contrast image as a reference image.

    Continue to take rapid short duration images and keep only the high
    contrast ones with that have minimal displacement/offset from the
    reference image.

    Sum each of those acceptable images to a storage that will become the
    final image.

    What you should end up with is a final image that has minimal
    atmosperic based distortion because all the low contrast and non
    matching images will have been discarded.

    Obviously you build an image over a longer period of time than with
    real time optical correction but at perhaps lower cost.

    Anyone know whether this has been proposed/done or researched?

    --
    George Watson

    The opinions expressed here are those of the fingers
    of George Watson only; not those of George Watson himself.

    Please reply via this newsgroup. No Email unless requested,
    Thanks.

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    Newsgroups: sci.space.policy
    Date: 1995/12/30
     

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