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Scientists Find Water on Extra-solar Planet 220

amigoro writes "Scientists have, for the first time, conclusively discovered the presence of water vapour in the atmosphere of a planet beyond our Solar System, according to an article appearing in Nature. They made the discovery by analysing the transit of the gas giant HD 189733b across its star, in the Infrared using data from NASA's Spitzer Space Telescope. HD 189733b is a 'hot jupiter', a gas giant that is roughly the size and mass of Jupiter but orbits very close to the star, so no chance of life there."
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Scientists Find Water on Extra-solar Planet

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  • by TripMaster Monkey ( 862126 ) on Wednesday July 11, 2007 @10:08PM (#19833595)
    HD 189733b is a gas giant planet with 1.15 times the mass of Jupiter and 1.26 its diameter. It orbits its primary in only 2.219 days and in a distance of 0.0313 AU. This is one of the closest planet-star systems known. The planet's surface temperature is 920 kelvin on the poles and 1220 kelvin on the bright side.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 11, 2007 @10:40PM (#19833863)
    Good grief. Please learn English.

    The simple fact is that there is *NO* supporting evidence for life elsewhere.

    Until some is uncovered, your thoughts are just pure speculation.

    A century or so ago, everyone just assumed there was life on the moon. Guess what? We didn't find any. Not too long ago people assumed there was life on Venus and Mars. Guess what? We're not finding any.

    I hate to burst your bubble, but "life" is just a relatively thin "bio-film" on this planet. Astronomically speaking, it's really, really, really thin. Almost non-existant. You may think life find "away", but it really hasn't been able to spread very far.
  • by bahwi ( 43111 ) on Wednesday July 11, 2007 @10:52PM (#19833937)
    You've mistaken the poster for the scientist
    "so no chance of life there"

    but in the article it clearly says:
    "This is a far from habitable world," she adds.

    Which means it's a no for us. As well:
    "Although the planet is an unlikely candidate in the search for life"

    Which is no the same as "no chance"

    Your post makes perfect sense but to assume that it is a scientist saying that there can't be life is incorrect.
  • Re:"conclusively"? (Score:5, Informative)

    by fimbulvetr ( 598306 ) on Wednesday July 11, 2007 @11:00PM (#19833977)
    It's called Spectroscopy, and is extremely cool stuff. It's used in everything from detecting compositions of stars/planets to identifying really old manuscripts.

    Here is an excellent article to get you started:

    http://astrophysics.suite101.com/article.cfm/water _on_hd_209458b [suite101.com]

    And, of course:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Spectros copy&oldid=143266670 [wikipedia.org]
  • Re:Hrrmph! (Score:5, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 11, 2007 @11:15PM (#19834059)
    The parent really isn't a troll.

    Hydrogen is fairly common in the universe (90% of its composition), but oxygen isn't except in and near stars (because it is only created by fusion inside the stars and ejected free by supernovas). It makes sense that gas giants will pick up traces of oxygen and then form some water and it makes sense that rocky planets will have the potential to form water since the major constituent of silicious minerals is obviously quartz or SiO2. Any rocky planet that has had some differentiation process would likely have the silicious minerals float to the top like with the Earth and thus have a great potential of having liquid water form if the atmosphere could support it. Mercury, Venus, and Mars are great examples of places where the atmosphere could not support liquid water. On one side if do not have a powerful enough geomagnetic field, the solar wind will strip the atmosphere leaving the surface bare like Mercury and Mars. On the other side, if you gas the atmosphere too much with CO2 from volcanoes, the atmosphere will superheat allowing the water vapour to rise and be broken up by UV light like on Venus. So there is a sweet spot where the Earth exists to have a rocky planet with a strong enough geomagnetic field and enough gassing by volcanoes to support the atmosphere.
  • by Dunbal ( 464142 ) on Wednesday July 11, 2007 @11:49PM (#19834301)
    How many planets are out there? Infinite.
    There can be only a finite amount of life supporting planets.


          Just because I feel like nit-picking. If you have an infinite number of planets, you also have an infinite number of planets that support life. Only this is a smaller "infinite" number.
  • Re:hmm (Score:2, Informative)

    by iminplaya ( 723125 ) on Thursday July 12, 2007 @01:58AM (#19834973) Journal
    ...and we've already had that discussion.

    Apparently we've already had this one [slashdot.org], too.
  • by bhiestand ( 157373 ) on Thursday July 12, 2007 @07:14AM (#19836077) Journal

    I'm surprised parent got modded down. There is an enormous amount of evidence to imply lack of extraterrestrial life. Lack of radio waves is the major one, for me, and no one has explained this so far.

    I don't even think that's good evidence for a lack of life. Just rounding here, but let's say humanity has been using radio waves for 100 years. 100 years from now we may well be using some other form of communication entirely. Of course I don't know what it could be, but nobody using smoke signals would've guessed radio waves would be the next big thing. So if, as a planet, we're only using detectably artificial radio waves for 200 years of the 4+ billion years the earth has existed and hundreds of millions of years that life has existed, and other planets develop in a very similar way, we're now looking for a stray quark in a haystack instead of a needle in a very large haystack. Hell, it's not very likely that the first extraterrestrial life we detect will be within 200 years of us in terms of technological advancement.

    Absent an amazing discovery of microbial bacteria or fossils on mars or titan, I think it's very likely that our first indication of life will be the discovery of a planet with a stable oxygen/nitrogen/CO2 atmosphere like our own.

    Assuming that all life and civilizations evolve at about the same rate, and all life eventually leads to intelligent life, we're likely to find millions of Alien Life Forms (ALFs) before we find any that are within a few hundred years of us in technology. Why is any more explanation needed?
  • by pauljlucas ( 529435 ) on Thursday July 12, 2007 @10:32AM (#19837669) Homepage Journal

    Venus, we've never been to there either. Our probes have sampled the atmosphere, that's about it.
    No, the Venera missions in the 1970s by the former USSR landed on the surface, multiple times in fact.
  • by Control Group ( 105494 ) * on Thursday July 12, 2007 @11:38AM (#19838535) Homepage
    Olber's Paradox isn't necessarily a problem. It's only a problem if you assume a macroscopically homogeneous universe that has been around forever.

    If the universe isn't macroscopically homogeneous, you wouldn't necessarily see light everywhere. For a degenerate case, imagine a universe such that there is an infinite number of galaxies which are all coplanar. You would have one bright band in the sky, but most of the sky would be dark.

    If you assume the universe is infinite in space but finite in time, then it's possible that there simply hasn't been time for light from objects more than ~14 billion light years away to reach us.

    Really, all Olber's paradox teaches us is that the universe cannot have all of the properties of being infinite in space, infinite in time, and macroscopically homogeneous. Our observations indicate that (to the limit of our ability to perceive) it is macroscopically homgeneous, so at least one of the other two must not be the case.
  • Yes and no (Score:3, Informative)

    by Moraelin ( 679338 ) on Thursday July 12, 2007 @12:52PM (#19839473) Journal

    Volcanoes? That's impossible! Al Gore told me that excess CO2 can only come from SUVs.


    Well, yes and no. Volcanoes do spew all sorts of stuff into the air, the question is just how much of it.

    Thawing up snowball earth I mentioned before took up to 30 million years, and that's with zero photosynthesis or other processes getting it out of the air again. So we're talking geologic timescales. Admittedly that required accumulating some 13% CO2 in the air (looks like I was remembering wrong when I said 30% before), or about 350 times more than today.

    Global warming, on the other hand, is something that spiked in the last 100 years or so. Well, slightly over 100 years.

    Doing some quick approximative maths, 30,000,000 / 100 = 300,000. So we're talking about an interval of time 300,000 times shorter than that. Even taking into account that 350 factor mentioned earlier, we'd need a little under 1000 years of outgassing for the current levels of CO2 to be entirely volcano-made. And even then: if we didn't have any plants or rocks that can fix that CO2.

    Now of course, all that is assuming that the outgassing rate is the same right now as it was back then, which probably isn't true. So take all that as just some very inaccurate guessing at the rough ballpark figure. Still, it does illustrate that you can't take a phenomenon that happened over 30 million years, and needed some remakably unique conditions at that, to be necessarily relevant for something that happened in 100 years or so. It's just not nearly the same scale.

    Now I'm not telling you whether or not to believe or not that the warming is entirely man-made. That, you can decide for yourself. But volcanoes just don't seem to spew enough CO2 and methane (which eventually is oxidized to CO2 and water in the presence of O2 and ultraviolet light) to be responsible for it.

    Shorter version: do volcanoes spew CO2 in the air? Yes, most certainly. Did they spew anywhere near enough of that over the last 100 years to be responsible for global warming? No, unless we're missing a _major_ vent somewhere, not likely.

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