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Extrasolar Planet Could Harbor Life 308

BlueMorpho writes with a link to a Space.com article about a recently discovered extrasolar planet that may be able to harbor 'life as we know it.' Orbiting around the star Gliese 581 is a small rocky ball that might have the same liquid ocean and drifting continent configuration we're familiar with. The find may be unique in all of space exploration as this planet appears to be within a habitable band of temperatures for life, and is categorically not a gas giant. "The bottom line is exciting ...The conditions for life could be there, but is life itself? As yet, there's no way to know unless the planet has spawned beings that are at least as clever as we are. As part of the SETI Institute's Project Phoenix, we twice aimed large antennas in the direction of Gliese 581, hoping to pick up a signal that would bespeak technology ... Neither search turned up a signal."
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  • by dottyslashdottydot ( 1008859 ) on Friday May 18, 2007 @02:51PM (#19182709)
    No, if it's tidally locked, there will be no "immense tides" in the oceans. Tidally locked means the same face of the planet is always facing the star. Just like the same face of the moon faces the earth... the moon is tidally locked to the earth. On this planet, any oceans would be higher at the points closest and furthest away from the star, but unlike the earth, these 'bulges' would never move, and water levels wouldn't change much, therefore no tides, at least from the star alone. The other planets in the system would most likely have some sort of influence on that planet's oceans.
  • by Rei ( 128717 ) on Friday May 18, 2007 @02:52PM (#19182719) Homepage
    The odds of another planet harboring life that could infect us effectively are ridiculously low. Infectious agents are able to infect us that they've been around us long enough to figure out how to do it.

  • by RsG ( 809189 ) on Friday May 18, 2007 @02:55PM (#19182771)
    It's not terribly likely that alien pathogens could harm us. Remember that most plain old fashioned terrestrial diseases are only able to infect a limited variety of hosts. HIV originated in chimps (our closest living evolutionary relatives), rabies is limited to mammals, the flu (which is versatile by viral standards) is primarily limited to mammals and birds, etc. Even diseases like malaria which spend parts of their life cycle in very different hosts (us and mosquitoes) are fairly specialized.

    Try and imagine dutch elm disease making the transition from trees to humans. Then remember that both host organisms are terrestrial - we're more closely related to trees than we would be to any alien. It's not totally impossible that some alien bacteria could, by some chance, find the human body hospitable (or vice versa), but it isn't very probable.

    Plus, the human immune system has a habit of attacking anything remotely foreign. That's why you get problems like allergies and organ rejection. If an alien organism is enough like us to pose an infection risk, then it's also most likely similar enough to trigger an immune response. And the diseases that we face today have had millions of years of evolution to prepare them for our immune system, whereas anything alien has not. So even if life elsewhere is very much like life here, it'll have the same catching up to do that we will. Admittedly pathogens evolve faster than their hosts, but then again these hosts have medical technology to make up the difference.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 18, 2007 @03:10PM (#19182999)
    I haven't seen anyone mention this, but Gliese 581 is an M-class dwarf. There's serious concerns about the habitability this entire class of star. They have large magnetic fields and are subject to very large solar flares which could exterminate life within their solar system. More details available:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M_dwarf#Habitability [wikipedia.org]

  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 18, 2007 @03:57PM (#19183689)
    IAAMB (I am a Microbiologist), and I've heard this argument a million times from a million people that don't really understand the concept of pathogens. A few points worth mentioning:
    1. Highly infectious diseases behave that way because they jump from a species in which it has coevolved (HCV in humans, Influenza in birds, various other diseases in pigs, rats, insects, etc), and so become not-terribly-pathogenic and suddenly entered a situation where it can jump species to another host. The extreme death rate of these diseases is a direct consequence of the fact that they DIDN'T evolve in the presence of humans, and that the new host behaves in an entirely unfamiliar manner to the foreign viral strain. Killing every organism it comes across is a horrible way for a virus to survive - the ideal is to achieve a minimal killing rate such that it becomes endemic to the population, with only a small proportion falling ill and dying. As such, our hypothetical alien virus has the potential to behave in this manner, provided the alien host is biochemically similar to us in one or more of the modes of entry for the viral strain. Admittedly, this only gives the potential for a mutant strain that could mess you up, but it's the same idea as Influenza - most truly common strains can't hurt you, but repeated contact with it in close quarters can give rise to an infectious system. Now, the true argument here is that it's unlikely that these hypothetical alien species we run into will have similar cell-surface proteins or modes of entry into the body - but simply arguing that a virus cannot infect a species it's never seen is a naive and deceptive idea. The far greater danger is...
    2. Infectious microbes. The alien equivalent of bacteria, fungus, protozoa, worms, etc. It is quite likely that we will encounter a species which benefits from growing in a human-like environment, most likely some kind of warm, damp tissue bed. Find a rapidly growing strain of alien microbe which digests its food externally, mix well with a human mucus lining, and you very rapidly have the potential for a flesh eating species. Equally likely is that one of the common hormones fed out into the air by alien critters (think of the compounds produced by plants et al for communication) behaves as a carcinogen to the naive human metabolism, or acts as some kind of hormone mimic. Industry produces such compounds all the time, not to mention legitimate toxins on Earth - there's no way of saying that the air on a warm spring's day on an alien world wouldn't be lethal to us due to immediate and violent immune responses to the foreign contaminants. There are many possibilities about what alien organisms might do to us, and it's silly to think that just because we've never seen it, it won't cause some kind of mass physiological response.
  • Earthlike mass implies Earthlike gravity. A planet with a gravity well of that intensity at the range of temperatures encountered in the "habitable band" will hold on to most of the gases that accompany its formation as well as being able to capture some of the gases it enounters as it orbits (which will pile up a bit over the eons) as well as some fraction of ejecta from asteroid and comet hits. Note well, I didn't specify what sort of atmosphere. In the absence of life as we know it, we're talking things like CO2, N2, Methane, and whole other slew of things with similar molecular weights.

    Look at our own solar system. Mars and Venus and a whole slew of gas giant moons have atmospheres. Given the gravity and energy input from it's star, you really have to stand this on it's head. You'd have to justify why it wouldn't have an atmosphere.

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