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Treating the Dead 246

FlyByPC writes "According to a NewsWeek article, oxygen deprivation doesn't kill patients as much as the resumption of oxygen does. This discovery could bring about new ways of resuscitating people whose hearts have stopped."
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Treating the Dead

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  • Not completely new (Score:3, Informative)

    by calidoscope ( 312571 ) on Tuesday May 01, 2007 @10:14PM (#18950441)
    I recall reading an article in Science News late 70's or early 80's about some research showing it was the blood vessels in the brain spasming that lead to brain death.


    Still some pretty nice work and may lead to quite a few lives being saved.

  • by Spazntwich ( 208070 ) on Tuesday May 01, 2007 @10:21PM (#18950501)
    What they noticed was that compressions themselves cause significant enough chest movement to allow some oxygenated air to make it into the lungs.

    The idea is to minimize the amount of time you're not pumping the heart, as all the blood in the world doesn't do any good if it's stagnant.
  • by HeadlessNotAHorseman ( 823040 ) on Tuesday May 01, 2007 @10:24PM (#18950543) Homepage
    The article mentions putting the patient on a heart-lung bypass machine to keep the brain and other organs alive until the heart is ready for action once more.
  • Tagged "oldnews" (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 01, 2007 @10:28PM (#18950579)
    We've known forever that post-ischemic reperfusion leads to free radical formation [wikipedia.org]. Nothing new here, except for the suggestion that we change how patients are treated. Seems a little sensationalist to me.
  • Make it simpler.... (Score:4, Informative)

    by zoltamatron ( 841204 ) on Tuesday May 01, 2007 @10:39PM (#18950687)

    I forget the actual numbers, but the idea was really to simplify the procedure [americanheart.org]. It's more important to get blood flowing through the heart than do the breaths, so this way inexperienced people spend less time fumbling around with the breaths and more time pumping.

  • More information: (Score:2, Informative)

    by Lost Penguin ( 636359 ) on Tuesday May 01, 2007 @10:47PM (#18950737)
  • by StewedSquirrel ( 574170 ) on Tuesday May 01, 2007 @10:52PM (#18950785)
    Uhm... no.

    It came from research that shows that compressions are what get oxygen to the blood and the breathing was merely interrupting the far more important compressions.

    The goal there is still to get oxygen to cells more rapidly.

    Stew

  • by necro81 ( 917438 ) on Tuesday May 01, 2007 @10:58PM (#18950839) Journal
    I'm not sure if the guidelines vary by country, but the U.S. guideline was 15 compressions for every 2 breaths (5 + 1 if two people are working). The guidelines [ahajournals.org] were changed to 30 + 2 [washington.edu] at the end of 2005. The reason for the change, as others have mentioned, is that the circulation of blood is most important. Rescue breathing takes time, is harder to do correctly than chest compressions, and takes time (consider it an operational overhead). Also, the compression of the chest causes some air movement on its own, though it is shallow.
  • by jimmyswimmy ( 749153 ) on Tuesday May 01, 2007 @11:24PM (#18950999)
    Hm, a review of my note reveals that I am the one needing the brain surgery; the OP correctly referred to a Russian technique of inducing hypothermia for cardiac surgery. Although I have clear memories of some sort of media informing me that there were long-term negative CNS effects on these patients, a paper whose summary I have read shows that I am mistaken: http://asianannals.ctsnetjournals.org/cgi/content/ abstract/10/1/3 [ctsnetjournals.org]

    As an occasional EMT, this story reminds me of one of our favorite maxims - they're not dead until they're warm and dead. Children have been known to survive near-drownings in frigid water (won't bother trying to recall a specific length of time). Perhaps this work will lead to a field technique of cooling patients enroute to a hospital.
  • by sharky611aol.com ( 682311 ) on Tuesday May 01, 2007 @11:24PM (#18951003)
    Wow, way too much pseduoinformation here. I'm ACLS certified, so take this to the bank:

    First off, a public service announcement. The current guidelines (which are actually backed up by some pretty good science) are a ratio of 30:2 compressions to breaths. Another important thing to note is that the rate of compressions is 100/min. This is faster than you think and believe it or not is incredibly difficult to do. For the tempo, think "Another One Bites the Dust" (and pardon my irony).

    Ok, now on to the reasoning behind the change. ("Well, I could explain it better, but I'd need charts, and graphs, and an easel.") Essentially, the flow of blood through the arteries and into the myocardium requires the creation and maintenance of a pressure head. Research has shown that it takes about 5-7 compressions to create that pressure head, and every time you stop pumping, you lose that pressure. Now only when this pressure head exists is oxygen being delivered to the myocardium, thus any time you stop pumping, you're creating a period of time in which oxygen is not being delivered. And apparently 30:2 was the best ratio for oxygenating blood in the lungs and delivering blood to the heart.

    Here's the official guidelines and all the studies behind them in all their linky goodness. http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/vol112/24_supp l/ [ahajournals.org]

  • by illiteratewithdrawal ( 937379 ) on Tuesday May 01, 2007 @11:51PM (#18951293)
    I believe that Wikipedia's entry on reperfusion injury is slightly wrong. This is what I wrote on its discussion page:

    The general concept [of reperfusion injury] is that the actual damage from the ischemia to the brain does not actually occur until oxygen is reintroduced. Ischemia causes an influx of calcium into the ischemic tissue which activates a protease that converts xanthine dehydrogenase to xanthine oxidase. Both these enzymes eventually lead to the production of uric acid, the purine catabolic product. Hypoxanthine is the ultimate breakdown product of ATP metabolism (ATP to ADP to AMP to IMP to hypoxanthine). When oxygen is reintroduced (as after an ischemic condition such as a stroke), the xanthine oxidase goes to work on the large amounts of hypoxanthine that accumulated. (The dehydrogenase is what normally is used in vivo and does not produce reactive oxygen species.) Superoxide and hydrogen peroxide are formed in large amounts and cause the tissue damage. The clinical implications of reperfusion injury are addressed in Lancet 344:934-936 (1994).
  • by neoshmengi ( 466784 ) on Wednesday May 02, 2007 @12:41AM (#18951859) Journal
    It's already mentioned that the focus on chest compressions leads to better perfusion of organs. The idea of fewer breaths isn't to deliver less oxygen, but rather that above a certain point, 'extra' oxygen isn't useful.

    During a cardiac arrest, metabolism is very slow, and the amount of oxygen in the lungs is not depleted very rapidly. Therefore emphasis has changed to improving the oxygen delivery by increasing the blood flow, by increasing the number of compressions relative to rescue breaths.
  • by Ihlosi ( 895663 ) on Wednesday May 02, 2007 @04:56AM (#18953781)
    Wohoo, it's a good grove! I could go on all day. What? Oh, you're fine now? And it hurts? OK, I understand...



    Ah, yes. That was one of the other changes to simplify resuscitation - don't bother checking for a heartbeat, start resuscitating right away. If the patient doesn't need it, he'll protest soon enough.

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