France Opens Secret UFO Files 379
Radon360 notes that France has become the first country to open its files on UFOs. A new website lists over 1600 sightings dating back to the 1950s.
"The online archives, which will be updated as new cases are reported, catalogues in minute detail cases ranging from the easily dismissed to a handful that continue to perplex even hard-nosed scientists.
Known as OVNIs in French, UFOs have always generated intense interest along with countless conspiracy theories about secretive government cover-ups of findings deemed too sensitive or alarming for public consumption."
Re:Moi (Score:1, Interesting)
ou tu peux aussi utiliser "une secoupe volante" (flying saucer)
et le verbe est "acceuillir"
comment traduiser le phrase, je ne sais pas, je ne suis francophone non plus donc...
Re:its a matter of point of view (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:its a matter of point of view (Score:3, Interesting)
Basically you assume two things in your belief: (1) familiarity with the Earth environment and experience therein and (2) total absence of mechanical/electrical/whatever failures. Neither is a given.
Re:Moi (Score:2, Interesting)
Here in Australia you get a strange crossover between British and American English, and so chips can mean either crisps or fries depending on context.
Re:A better translation and masters (Score:1, Interesting)
Yeah, except that in French a subordinate clause right after a personal pronoun is not very grammatical. Quant à moi, je souhaite la bienvenue
Re:A better translation and masters (Score:2, Interesting)
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/OVNI/ [wikipedia.org]
Personally, I would just go for "Pour ma part, je souhaite la bienvenue à nos nouveaux maîtres OVNIs", but I am not a native francophone and my English sucks too.
Take care,
-mat
Disclosure Project (Score:1, Interesting)
Re:its a matter of point of view (Score:3, Interesting)
Even if such a species evolved in an environment very different from Earth they'd still know about rocky planets with gas atmospheres because such planets are common.
Of course any alien from an environment unlike the Earth's surface would probably have to wear some kind of "hostile environment suit" in order to leave their craft. Any alien which could "walk" on the surface of the Earth with minimal or no artifical life support must have originated from a planet similar to the Earth...
Gee, Thanks. (Score:5, Interesting)
I didn't realize that submitting a story made me a "twat".
That's great that you brought the fact that the UK government has released some similar information to the public, long before France had done so. Perhaps the reporter of this article should be labelled a "twat" for not researching the topic further and bringing up that point, or at least not make the bold comment about France being the first.
Which brings up another point. If you ever have submitted a story to Slashdot, you'd recognize that the editors tend to take quite a bit of liberty on rewriting the story summaries (for better or worse). I didn't "note" anything...the summary was just rewritten to say I did.
Re:French Response (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:French Response (Score:3, Interesting)
However, then there's the second thing that springs to mind: the famous La Resistance movement, that continued fighting an entrenched occupying German force. In some ways, that's a lot more courageous than standing up to an invading enemy toe-to-toe. It's also recognized as a major contributor to the eventual defeat of the Germans - without the French resistance, Hitler would have had a strong base in France when D-Day came about.
So it's very strange that the first part is the only part that's remembered on the Internet today. Especially since the Resistance was much more an expression of the French national character and less simply a reaction to strategic failure. I'm sure that the French commanders were spoken of unflatteringly, and the Vichy collaborators even more so, but the rest of the world absolutely recognized the French sacrifice and contribution to victory - at least, until relatively modern times.
Re:Moi (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:French Response (Score:1, Interesting)
Actually, France stopped selling weapons to Saddam way before the US. It is the US (Rumsfeld, in fact) that sold Saddam his chemical weapons to fight the Iranians in the 80's. France had a tiny business with Iraq before this latest war (way, way, way smaller than the US). In fact, they stopped selling them stuff partly because Iraq stopped paying. Iraq owed France loads of money before the invasion (they officially gave up on it since then).
As above. . . (Score:4, Interesting)
You are thinking too human-centric.
Consider the following possibility. . .
Aliens exist in a higher state of reality than we can perceive; that is, they are with us right now, all the time. They function and exist in a state where time does not exist for them in the same way it does for us. That is, the thousands of UFO reports are not of nuts and bolts technology, but of bits of reality poking through into ours.
Second. . . What if these aliens are to us what we are to cows. That they are here to eat us. What if they consume the energy from negative emotions such as fear and pain. This would explain our high population, our constant state of screwed up religion, war and general suffering around the globe. It also explains our media's and our education system's aversion of looking at sciences which would help explain the alien presence. That of being living on the "spirit plane", (so to speak). Of chi and magic in general.
This explanation, as distasteful as it sounds, nonetheless answers all the puzzles presented to us be the short-sighted Carl Sagans of the world. Sci-fi wants us to think in terms of other humans from space. It doesn't look at the idea that aliens are far more intelligent and have no interest in communicating with us beyond manipulation and control.
Look at our cattle industry. --We breed an entire race of animals totally controlled for our consumption. Aliens need to eat too.
As above, so below.
-FL
Intent (Score:3, Interesting)
Negative emotions are certainly tied to behavioral mechanisms, but they nonetheless have an energetic quality. This is not human-centric. It's life-centric. Since aliens are also alive, it's a common denominator which we share with them. Our technology and perceived limits of physical reality are not. The original poster was making a false assumption with regard to this.
And then you go on to complain about how media and schools have an aversion to science while posting gibberish which flies in the face of every even slightly credible scientific worldview.
You only think I'm talking gibberish because you happen to be ignorant. Your concept of a 'credible scientific worldview' is limited by the media you watch and the education you received. Circular logic, I know, however it also happens to be correct.
I could go an and refute every single one of your points in detail, but I bet you are not in it for discussion, judging by your casual dismissal of Carl Sagan.
You could try, but seeing as you still believe in the orthodox explanation of reality, it means you probably don't know how to challenge conventional thinking and thus have little in the arsenal of your mind beyond the regular canned nonsense most sleepers come pre-installed with. For instance. . . Carl Sagan is an astrophysicist. Why do you believe this gives him any authority in the matter of UFOs? What does stellar chemistry and gravity modeling have to do with understanding alien intent?
-FL