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Ramanujian's Deathbed Problem Cracked 205

Jake's Mom sends word of the serendipitous solution to a decades-old mathematical mystery. Researchers from the University of Wisconsin have unraveled a major number theory puzzle left at the death of one of the twentieth century's greatest mathematicians, Srinivasa Ramanujan. From the press release: "Mathematicians have finally laid to rest the legendary mystery surrounding an elusive group of numerical expressions known as the 'mock theta functions.' Number theorists have struggled to understand the functions ever since... Ramanujan first alluded to them in a letter written [to G. H. Hardy] on his deathbed, in 1920. Now, using mathematical techniques that emerged well after Ramanujan's death, two number theorists at the University of Wisconsin-Madison have pieced together an explanatory framework that for the first time illustrates what mock theta functions are, and exactly how to derive them."
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  • Spelling error (Score:4, Informative)

    by kraemate ( 1065878 ) on Tuesday February 27, 2007 @12:11AM (#18163000)
    Spell error in story title! Its Ramanujan, without the 'i'.
  • by UnknownSoldier ( 67820 ) on Tuesday February 27, 2007 @12:12AM (#18163006)
    Since the article STILL doesn't define what a mock theta func is, what is, and how can it be applied?

    Guess the wiki [wikipedia.org] still needs to be updated

    There is (as yet) no generally accepted abstract definition of a mock theta function; Ramanujan's own definition of the term is notoriously obscure.


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  • by pyite ( 140350 ) on Tuesday February 27, 2007 @12:13AM (#18163010)
    Ramanujan was so amazing. His work on integer partitions was enough to be revolutionary, yet he hardly stopped there--all before dying at such a young age.

  • by arlo5724 ( 172574 ) <jacobw56&gmail,com> on Tuesday February 27, 2007 @12:21AM (#18163058)
    The mock theta functions [wikipedia.org] are special functions that describe of host of phenomena, the most interesting of which is probably its relation to modular forms. There has been a great deal of controversy as to how these functions should actually be defined in the abstract sense and for the most part any serious attempts at figuring them out have involved using nothing more than the functions that Ramanujan himself wrote down in a notebook right before he died. It will probably be some time before this "solution" appears in a final, published form so don't get your hopes up unless you have connections to number theorists close to the activity. If you are at a university you can look up scads of articles on the topic from JStor, or just browse the bounded periodicals in the library.

    This is cool and all, but the real kicker will be if Peter Sarnak from Princeton proves the Riemann Hypothesis [wikipedia.org] (rumor has it he is on the way to doing so).
  • Ken Ono's seminar (Score:5, Informative)

    by alpha_foobar ( 820088 ) on Tuesday February 27, 2007 @12:55AM (#18163250) Homepage Journal
    It appears that Ken is holding a seminar at UW on March 29 2007 (http://math.uwyo.edu/DEPTCOLLOQ.asp#Mar%2029). We will probably have to wait until then for any details.
  • Re:Real World Uses? (Score:4, Informative)

    by arlo5724 ( 172574 ) <jacobw56&gmail,com> on Tuesday February 27, 2007 @01:10AM (#18163322)
    To answer this very loosely, parts of these functions are bounded by geodesics with cusps at the corners, and this means that any geodesic structure of this type (certain types of chemical structures and a slew of phenomena in relativistic physics) can be partly described by those pieces of these functions and that it is possible that these functions represent a certain type of generalization for these structures, allowing scientists to better describe some existing structures with similar modular forms and even some that exist only in thought.
  • Re:Ramanujan (Score:3, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 27, 2007 @01:45AM (#18163490)
    Not quite.
    He did not have advanced learning in math.
    even though he went to school, in the end he was so enamored with maths that he stopped studying everything else, which cost him high. He was unable to get through to college. Thus, his knowledge was limited and was from primarily two books he found in the library.

    Hardy once even mentioned that his greatest regret was that Ramanujan did not have the higher learning that would have avoided him rediscovering many - many theories. On one count, 1/3 of his discoveries were re-discoveries
  • Re:Ramanujan (Score:4, Informative)

    by ezzthetic ( 976321 ) on Tuesday February 27, 2007 @01:53AM (#18163524)
    He won prizes at school for his maths prowess, and went to university on a scholarship. He lost the scholarhip due to his obsessive inability to do other aspects of the curiculum that were not maths related, or which were offensive to his Brahman beliefs. There was never any doubt that he was mathematically gifted, and his mother promoted him intensively. There seems to be a myth that he was an illiterate peasant who happened to stumble on a maths book came from, but I don't know where it came from.
  • by phreakv6 ( 760152 ) <phreakv6@gmCOLAail.com minus caffeine> on Tuesday February 27, 2007 @01:54AM (#18163538) Homepage
    not totally offtopic but i would like to recommend this amazing book [amazon.com] (the man who knew infinity) to anyone interested in reading his biography. its one of the best biographies i've ever read.
  • Re:Ramanujan (Score:3, Informative)

    by bogjobber ( 880402 ) on Tuesday February 27, 2007 @02:06AM (#18163624)
    There seems to be a myth that he was an illiterate peasant who happened to stumble on a maths book came from, but I don't know where it came from.

    Ramanujan is mentioned in the movie Good Will Hunting [wikipedia.org] and that is how he is presented. That's the first time I heard of him. I'm sure people just use that myth because it's not too far from the truth and makes a much better story.

  • Re:Ramanujan (Score:3, Informative)

    by theurge14 ( 820596 ) on Tuesday February 27, 2007 @03:22AM (#18163938)
    Quoted from Hardy "So the real tragedy of Ramanujan was not his early death at the age of 32, but that in his most formative years, he did not receive proper training, and so a significant part of his work was rediscovery..."

    And yes there were instances during his life when he struggled for money, even to eat.

    I'm not saying rich or poor makes you smart. I'm saying being poor tends to keep you from being discovered by the rest of us. The immense contributions of Ramanujan could have been lost to us all if Hardy had not taken the chance to bring a total unknown to Cambridge.
  • by jd ( 1658 ) <imipak@ y a hoo.com> on Tuesday February 27, 2007 @04:11AM (#18164088) Homepage Journal
    A quick search shows that mock theta functions [wolfram.com] are a special case of Jacobi theta functions [wolfram.com] which are a form of Jacobi Elliptic Functions [wolfram.com] which are a type of elliptic function [wolfram.com]. Ok, this explains next to nothing.

    Arxiv doesn't appear to carry the paper, and only two papers in it relate to mock theta functions at all. One of them is a transformation formula for second-order mock theta functions [arxiv.org] and the other talks about mock theta functions as quantum invariants [arxiv.org], whatever that means. A glance at the paper suggests that mock theta functions relate to a key element in topology, but my maths isn't nearly good enough to tell you exactly what is being described.

  • Re:Credibility? (Score:2, Informative)

    by widdowquinn ( 1069104 ) on Tuesday February 27, 2007 @05:58AM (#18164562)
    I have no idea when you checked, but PNAS offers a number of tracks for submission, all of which are refereed (though cynics might think that some are refereed more stringently than others). The information is displayed for all to see at their information for authors [pnas.org] page.
  • Re:Ramanujan (Score:4, Informative)

    by The Cydonian ( 603441 ) on Tuesday February 27, 2007 @06:53AM (#18164848) Homepage Journal

    Ramanujan's family was NOT poor. His father was among the first rung of urban middle-class professionals, who've just moved from their villages as (colonial) India's cities started expanding, finding employment as a minor clerk somewhere. His mother was very educated, and often sang in the local temple, thus earning some petty, but useful, cash in the process.

    They weren't well-off, but they weren't poor either. Ramanujan had no absolutely pressure whatsoever to find an actual job while he was sitting in the verandah of his Sarangapani Street house, and writing his fantastical proofs in that mystical notebook of his. (In fact, he got married while he was jobless, a prospect that is unimaginable even in still-arranged-marriage-friendly contemporary India).

  • by NOLFXceptMe ( 1013903 ) on Tuesday February 27, 2007 @08:21AM (#18165260) Journal
    A search on wiki gave these results http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mock_theta_function [wikipedia.org] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mock_theta_functions [wikipedia.org] Both r informative,worth the read and ob not exhaustive...some external links given too. And the place where I find most of my info...WolframMathWorld ,the http://mathworld.wolfram.com/MockThetaFunction.htm l [wolfram.com]link directs to a page with some more info...
  • by d0n quix0te ( 304783 ) on Tuesday February 27, 2007 @08:37AM (#18165358)
    India has had a long standing history in mathematics much of which predates that in the Islamo-christian tradition.

    Formal mathematical schooling among Brahmins was particularly important among people in Tamil Nadu and Kerala, two of the sea-faring communities in India. Ramanujan belonged to the Iyengar tradition of mathematics (although many people related Iyengars to Yoga...) from Tamil Nadu.

    Among other contributions of Indian mathematics include

    Pre-ACE

    The decimal system and the number zero
    Inductive reasoning and the inductive method
    Fractions
    Equations
    Mathematical tables
    Binomial theorem
    Pythogorean theorem
    Area calculations
    Conic sections
    Irrational numbers
    Boolean Logic
    Null Sets
    Transformations and recursions
    Number theory
    Trignometry
    Formal language and grammar theory

    Post ACE (pre renaissance)

    Cubic and Quartic Equations
    Pi as an infinite series
    Geometric and Harmonic series
    Series theory
    Permutations and combinations
    Cardinal numbers
    Transfinite numbers
    Set theory
    Fibonnacci series
    Derivative
    Rolles theorem
    Differentiation
    Limits
    Differential and integral calculus (predating Leibnitz and Newton by 200 years) ......
    For a laundry list see

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_mathematics [wikipedia.org]

    Some of these brahmanic schools were far more advanced than European schools. Ramanujan had good schooling from a tradition steeped in mathematics. He was Europe's first direct exposure (as opposed to published books that were translated) to Indian mathematics hence the cult status.

    Imagine a Narayana Pandit or a Chitrabhanu from the Kerala schools in Europe in 1500 AD spouting Calculus and Reimann's theorem (two well known theorems in India at that time)... they too would have been declared as geniuses.

    -S

  • by camperdave ( 969942 ) on Tuesday February 27, 2007 @08:38AM (#18165362) Journal
    Technically, since the intestinal tract runs from mouth to ass in one go, a rabbit should be considered a torus.

    You're leaving out the nasal cavity and nostrils. These also lead to the throat and the rest of the intestinal tract. Thus a rabbit is identical to a pretzel [wikipedia.org].
  • by Bramantip ( 1054582 ) <jenkins@nOSpaM.piusx.org.pl> on Tuesday February 27, 2007 @08:45AM (#18165406) Homepage
    Here is a link to a more informative article: http://www.telegraphindia.com/1050411/asp/knowhow/ story_4560152.asp [telegraphindia.com]
  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 27, 2007 @04:08PM (#18171190)
    Some of these brahmanic schools were far more advanced than European schools. Ramanujan had good schooling from a tradition steeped in mathematics. He was Europe's first direct exposure (as opposed to published books that were translated) to Indian mathematics hence the cult status.

    That would be a fair assessment if Ramanujan was merely stating things that other Brahmins knew, or if he had not rediscovered much of higher mathematics by himself. Since he was stating theorems (he did not often provide proofs for his own work) that nobody else in the world would know were true until decades after his death, it's not unfair to call him a genius. To give you some idea of his insight, he wrote down about 3,000 theorems in his lifetime - one of my undergraduate professors (David Bressoud) did his PhD thesis on the proof of one of the unsolved theorems from Ramanujan's notebooks.

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