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67-Kilowatt Laser Unveiled 395

s31523 writes "Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in California has announced they have working in the lab a Solid State Heat Capacity Laser that averages 67 kW. It is being developed for the military. The chief scientist Dr. Yamamoto is quoted: 'I know of no other solid state laser that has achieved 67 kW of average output power.' Although many lasers have peaked at higher capacities, getting the average sustained power to remain high is the tricky part. The article says that hitting the 100-kW level, at which point it would become interesting as a battlefield weapon, could be less than a year away."
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67-Kilowatt Laser Unveiled

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  • by Colin Smith ( 2679 ) on Saturday February 24, 2007 @06:39PM (#18137168)
    Someone comes up with some amazing, high tech solutions which I don't know, let you reflect light, or maybe bend it. This "laser shield" would have to be small enough to carry, compact, say small enough to fit in a woman's handbag or maybe a gent's toiletry bag.

    Anyway, just a thought, it'll probably take the military billions of dollars and a decade or two to come up with something like that.
     
  • Blind Soldiers (Score:4, Interesting)

    by MrSteveSD ( 801820 ) on Saturday February 24, 2007 @07:18PM (#18137498)
    If such weapons make their way onto the battlefield, you're going to end up with a lot of blinded soldiers. Any beam powerful enough to be useful will be capable of blinding everyone near the target with the reflected light. In fact, if you put some kind of corner cube reflective coating on the target, there might be enough light sent back to the source to blind the people firing the beam.
  • Comment removed (Score:2, Interesting)

    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Saturday February 24, 2007 @09:17PM (#18138478)
    Comment removed based on user account deletion
  • by ckedge ( 192996 ) on Saturday February 24, 2007 @10:00PM (#18138802) Journal
    Talking about dirty - I'd cover the 99% mirror with an ultra thin ablative designed to blow away cleanly on first impact of the laser - which takes the dirt and dust with it and then underneath is the perfect 99% mirror. And my projectile is going to be spinning and moving at mach 2 - the airflow will cool your hairdryer effect nicely. There's also got to be a reason they want 100KW and not 10 KW (10 times your puny 1KW).

    This conversation reminds me of the ABM missile discussions, it costs 10 billion dollars to make an ABM system but only 50,000 for a couple engineers to think hard to make ultra hard to beat countermeasures.
  • by vandan ( 151516 ) on Saturday February 24, 2007 @11:16PM (#18139346) Homepage

    Name one, and explain how it's more free (not "a better place to live" or "more friendly to the environment").


    Well you're making a very narrow definition of free. Are you saying that a country that bases it's whole existence on unsustainable living and exploiting 3rd world countries is free?

    I already named Venezuela as moving in the right direction, based on 1 definition of 'free'. Want more? Fine. The UK has distinguished itself from both the US and Australia by defending the rights of its citizens illegally captured by the US and imprisoned in Guantanimo Bay. They demanded the return of their citizens, and got it. So this demonstrates one kind of 'freedom' where the UK is ahead of the US ( my country, Australia refuses to ask for its citizens back ).

    Want more examples? Fine. Australia is more 'free', because people can get access to high quality medical care when they need it ( OK, maybe 18 months late, but blame the Howard government for scaling it back ), via our public health system. In comparison, the US is probably the least 'free' of the industrialised world. Access to medical care is an important freedom. Same goes for education, where the US trails behind basically every OECD country.

    How about the freedom of the media? The US is on a fast-track to a fascist state, with the level of merging of the ruling class and the media. There really is only 1 perspective that ever gets any traction in the mainstream media ... and that's not because there is only one perspective. Examples? Every mainstream media outlet backed the illegal invasion of Iraq. When the WOMD claims were found out to be false, every mainstream media outlet conveniently found something else to cover, resulting in the sad situation where 30% of Americans still believe to this day that Iraq had WOMD! You show me a people who don't have access to unbiases reporting ( for example this bullshit with 'embedded journalists' ), and I'll show you a people who aren't free.

    Enough examples for you? Feel free to comment on them!

    If you don't think that common Americans can change public policy -- well, it's black history month, and you should spend some time reading up on things like the Civil Rights movement, the beginning and end of Prohibition

    Sorry. These things were won outside of the official 'democratic' system, and in spite of it. You're talking about sustained grass-roots campaigns that threatened to overthrow the official system, so they had to make concessions. And keep in mind that these days if you turn up to a demo the way people involved in these movements did, you get sprayed with chemical weapons, shocked with tasers, and attacked with other so-called 'non-lethal' weapons, that in fact turn out to be more lethal than things would have been without them.

    Show me one real reform that has been achieved inside the official 'democratic' system please. Your democracy is a joke, and the whole world is saying it. Seriously. You think you can impeach a president over his personal sexual activity ( and hey, I'm no supporter of Clinton ) and tell me you have a democracy? What he did was private business - the state has no business asking him questions about it or impeaching him over it. That's not democracy. That's the opposite. OK. So, Cliaponton's out. Then what? Then people vote the Democrats back in, but the Republicans and judicial system don't like the sound of that, so they order the vote count to cease, and appoint Bush president. That's not democracy. You don't order people to stop counting votes in a democracy.

    Sorry dude. I am incredibly unconvinced that the US is 'free' in any sense of the word. You can think what you like at your own peril.
  • by Catbeller ( 118204 ) on Saturday February 24, 2007 @11:46PM (#18139582) Homepage
    This gadget will be used as a sniper gun from hell. Mount it on a plane, on a hybrid tank with a kilowatt generator, in a satellite.

    Do we really trust the new SuperPresidents(tm) that Bush has created with a silent assassin from orbit? How long until a terrorist(tm) is smoked? The family around him? An environmentalist - already labeled terrorists. Hell. PETA members are now semi-official terrorists. REPORTERS are being labeled fellow travelers. The Army already smoked one building full of reporters with a tank. They'd love them some lasers. We've killed one foreign head of state by hanging, another still is in prison on charges that no one understands. You think the New American Century Cheney/Rice types will hesitate one second in smoking a head of state?

    What really worries me is, say, an individual with advanced power storage tech (coming soon) or a hybrid car generating enough juice to have a lovely laser handgun. Perfect as a targeting system, perfect as a killer. No noise, good for miles, untraceable by conventional means in real time. Also good for "riot" (AKA protest) control for unruly peons. Goes with the microwave cannon, the electrical stunner, the sound cannon.

    In all of this, how exactly are we becoming safer? What the hell do we need this thing for? and once we show it can be done, the Chinese and the Indian research teams will whack their own models out in a couple of years, selling it to the highest bidder. STREET GANGS will have lasers in fifteen years.

  • Well you're making a very narrow definition of free...

    Free (adj): Having a legal respect for and protection of personal liberties.

    I don't know what other definition you could be talking about; America has had a pretty constant definition of "free", and while we're not the only English-speaking country, we got our definition from the British Empire, which is where the rest of the English-peaking world got theirs, too.

    I already named Venezuela as moving in the right direction, based on 1 definition of 'free'.

    No, you didn't [slashdot.org]. Slashdot is not a mailing list; if you want to argue by reference, include a link.

    The UK ... defend[ed] the rights of its citizens ... captured by the US.

    (First rule of international law: there is no such thing as international law.)

    The UK exeriting political defense of its citizens is just being a good government. Good governments and free nations are strongly correlated, but proving one does not prove the other.

    Australia is more 'free', because people can get access to high quality medical care

    By no stretch of our language does "free" mean "cared for." Public health care is a great idea that is good for the people and for the country as a whole, but it is not a freedom. Freedom is the ability to light up a cigarette, not the doctor taking it away from you.

    Every mainstream media outlet backed the illegal invasion of Iraq. When the WOMD claims were found out to be false, every mainstream media outlet conveniently found something else to cover, resulting in the sad situation where 30% of Americans still believe to this day that Iraq had WOMD!

    1: It wasn't illegal. (See above.) The UN never passed a resolution forbidding or condemning the invasion, and the first Iraq war ended with a peace treaty, which Saddam repeatedly violated. The invasion was one of choice, was sold on a lie, and is a distraction from the War on Terror as well as a generally bad idea -- but it's perfectly legal.

    2: Iraq had WMDs. He used them on the Iranians and the Kurds. By the best accounts I've heard, Saddam thought that Iraq had WMDs.

    3: Show me a poll, and let's check for bias. There's no regulation of polling in the United States, so "push polls" are common. Don't trust any number you hear where you don't see the question asked.

    You show me a people who don't have access to [unbiased] reporting, and I'll show you a people who aren't free.

    Every reporter in the world has bias. It's human nature. The important parts are a Choice of Reporter, and an Aknowlodgement of Bias. The worst reporters in the US are those who claim to be unbiased; the best are those who admit their own biases, especially when those biases may conflict with their reporting.

    (And if you think embedded journalism turns the press into propaganda machines for public policy, you haven't actually watched US TV. The only thing putting reporters together with soldiers does is keep the reporter from bashing the soldier for the government's faults.)

    These things were won outside of the official 'democratic' system, and in spite of it. You're talking about sustained grass-roots campaigns that threatened to overthrow the official system, so they had to make concessions.

    What exactly do you think Democracy is for? It's to let the people change their government without killing anybody. The Civil Rights movement succceeded when they changed enough citizen's minds to make "I will support civil rights" an election-winning proposition, and the Civil Rights act was passed. (What didn't come from the CRA came from the courts, which only heard the cases at all because of the Freedom of any American to petition for the redress of grievances.)

    Prohibition was enacted in the 18th Amendment, after a century-long crusade of demonstration,
  • Re:Get real (Score:4, Interesting)

    by vandan ( 151516 ) on Sunday February 25, 2007 @02:40AM (#18140832) Homepage

    First, don't complain about weapons research!

    Good to see you're starting out from a defensible position ... NOT! You then go on to make the point that weapons research leads to non-weapons technology. Sure. But that in no way validates weapons research. You can create new technology, indeed the SAME technology, while not researching and creating new weapons. For example Japan's government also pumps an incredible amount of money into high-tech R&D, including developing lasers, but they don't do it via the military-industrial complex. They invest directly into consumer technology. This is much more efficient in coming up with your consumer technology, as well as not creating new weapons. So I'll complain all I want about weapons research, thankyou very much.

    After the cold war the US generally started to influence clients to become democracies where it is not against their direct interests.

    BULLSHIT! You mean like in Vietnam? Or Iraq? Or Afghanistan ( while they were setting up the Taliban, and now )? Or when they assassinated the democratically elected leader of Chille in 9/11, 1973? Don't give me this 'America support democracy' crap please. I didn't come down in the last shower.

    We earn more money because the economy of a democracy isn't so likely to be sh.t and they become better customers

    It's true that the economy of a bourgeois democracy under a capitalist system will grow the fastest out of all the organisations structures that we know. That isn't necessarily a good thing, but this is a topic for another discussion. The cold hard truth about the US economy is that it's not exactly riding the wave of exports at the moment. The US economy owes a lot more to its imports than it does to its exports . For example, the US is unbelievably dependent on China for a source of cheap labour. You don't see them pushing China towards a democracy, do you? The only places where the US mentions the word 'democracy' is where they have a natural research worth stealing, and then you can bet it's not democracy that will eventuate, but exactly the opposite. You see, democracy isn't something that is handed down from on high. It's something that people have to struggle for. It's a process. You can't bomb a country into democracy. And I'll say it again: the day when the US pushes for democratic reform in China ( and not via bombing, mind you ), is the day that I reconsider my statement that the US hates democracy.

    You US bashers are as boring as the McCarty communist scare or Mid West brimstone preachers -- you just think another group is responsible for everything bad.

    Well, the thing is that there are plenty of US-bashers around at the moment. It goes without saying that the Arab world thinks as I do. Europe is no different ... when asked to choose the biggest threat to world peace, they choose the US first, and Israel 2nd. The simple fact is that the US, by virtue of its postion as the No 1 imperialist power in the world, is responsible for a great deal of what's wrong in the world. That's why they need more lasers and chemical weapons and nuclear weapons and cluster bombs and immunity from prosecution in the World Court.
  • by GoblinKiller ( 975207 ) <gk AT vox DOT nu> on Sunday February 25, 2007 @05:25AM (#18141696) Homepage
    I remember Leik N. Myrabo saying in a tv-show that with a 100 kW laser his lightcraft could be sent into space. With such a laser built maybe this can be proved a reality quite soon?
  • Re:Get real (Score:3, Interesting)

    by VENONA ( 902751 ) on Sunday February 25, 2007 @12:42PM (#18143700)
    "...democracies don't make war (not even USA)."

    I used to believe that too. It was actually quite the cherished notion. One of the worst things about our invasion of Iraq--and reading the many ugly truths that have come out regarding the run-up to the war--is that if I still want to believe in that notion, I'm now required to *not* believe in the US being a democracy.

    The two statements:
    "democracies don't make war"
    and
    "US is a democracy"
    have been proven, in my eyes, to be mutually exclusive.

     
  • by k2r ( 255754 ) on Sunday February 25, 2007 @02:06PM (#18144258)
    >> Problem is that the US isn't the 'most free' nation on Earth - not by a long shot.
    > Name one,
    Germany.

    > and explain how it's more free (not "a better place to live" or "more friendly to the environment").

    If I'm a 17yo guy I can make pictures of my 15yo girlfriend and send them to my email-account
    without both of us getting sued for posession and production of child pornography and being
    trialed as adults and jailed for my own good.

    Of course, I can't yell "Heil Hitler" on the street in Germany without getting into legal trouble but frankly,
    I prefer to live in a country with people taking dirty pictures of themselves than in a country where
    people feel the urge to yell "Heil Hitler" on the street.

    Or being 17yo and getting a blowjob by a 15yo and 10years in jail?
    (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/eticket/story?page =wilson)
    Or being 15yo and being charged with sexually abusing YOURSELF?
    (http://www.usatoday.com/tech/webguide/internetlif e/2004-03-29-child-self-porn_x.htm)
    Or just google about your sodomy-laws?

    You are only free if it comes to destroying and consuming.

    (and yes, there are a lot of things wrong in Germany, too.)
  • by dramenbejs ( 817956 ) on Sunday February 25, 2007 @04:44PM (#18145554)
    So why not use that 3-mirror orthogonal system, which reflects every beam exactly to it's source?

    The laser will evaporate itself!

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