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67-Kilowatt Laser Unveiled 395

s31523 writes "Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in California has announced they have working in the lab a Solid State Heat Capacity Laser that averages 67 kW. It is being developed for the military. The chief scientist Dr. Yamamoto is quoted: 'I know of no other solid state laser that has achieved 67 kW of average output power.' Although many lasers have peaked at higher capacities, getting the average sustained power to remain high is the tricky part. The article says that hitting the 100-kW level, at which point it would become interesting as a battlefield weapon, could be less than a year away."
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67-Kilowatt Laser Unveiled

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  • Too big (Score:3, Insightful)

    by MichaelSmith ( 789609 ) on Saturday February 24, 2007 @06:32PM (#18137080) Homepage Journal

    Picture [bbc.co.uk] in TFA shows a trailer which you would presumably tow through the streets of Baghdad zapping potential IED's but the opposition in that country have shown that they have the ability to adapt to changed conditions. So the bombs they plant will be in places you can't tow a huge trailer, or outside a place where blowing up the IED will only make you get the blame for killing civilians.

    Too much overhead, not enough payload.

  • by viking2000 ( 954894 ) on Saturday February 24, 2007 @06:38PM (#18137146)
    The article does not mention that any reflection off whatever the laser is aiming at is many kW as well. A small polished piece of steel would reflect 80% in some random direction, and the beam will go until it reaches something. Only a few milli Watts would be sufficient to damage the eyes of civilian spectators, so a reflection could easily permanently blind everyone in a football stadium of 50000 people.
  • by Jasper__unique_dammi ( 901401 ) on Saturday February 24, 2007 @06:54PM (#18137266)
    ... the Iraqi insurgents come up with the 100kW mirror!
  • Re:two things (Score:3, Insightful)

    by fontkick ( 788075 ) on Saturday February 24, 2007 @06:57PM (#18137290)
    What kind of non-military applications exist for a 100kW laser... a Houseful-of-Popcorn-O-Matic?
  • by vandan ( 151516 ) on Saturday February 24, 2007 @06:58PM (#18137300) Homepage
    Can't say I'm surprised really. The funny thing is that no other nation sees the need to spend anything like the US military budget. I suppose the argument goes that there are people around the world who hate freedom, and since the US is the 'most free' nation on Earth, well, they're prime targets. Problem is that the US isn't the 'most free' nation on Earth - not by a long shot. Scratch that theory. The alternate argument goes that there are a lot of people around the world who hate US foreign police. This argument seems far more sensible. So for US citizens, the correct path would be to change foreign policy, right? Problem is, US citizens don't live in a democracy, so can't affect the foreign policy of their ruling class. Think I'm wrong? Think again. They just voted out the Republicans in an absolute landslide which is largely recognised as being a rejection of Republican foreign policy, but you watch just how much that policy changes, both now AND when they get rid of Emperor Dubya.

    For those who see these laser protecting them from the terrorists' attacks on their homes, I think this is being a bit naive. This laser is to protect military equipment on the battlefield, and the ruling class at home. Just look at how the military didn't lift a finger to stop 9/11, even though they had precise warnings from multiple credible sources. The only thing the US government did was to protect Bin Laden's family after 9/11, flying them back home to safety.
  • by fyngyrz ( 762201 ) * on Saturday February 24, 2007 @07:17PM (#18137486) Homepage Journal
    It says that the laser wavelength is 1 micron (into the infrared). Since glass isn't transparent to that wavelength, you can't reflect it with a mirror.

    You need to put the reflective surface on the intercept side of the substrate, glass or otherwise. That way, it is the first thing the laser hits. And of course, you'd better make sure that the efficiency is high enough that the laser doesn't manage to ablate the coating. Maybe coatings aren't that good an idea in the first place. Maybe thick, mirror-polished armor that can direct heat away from the surface really quickly is more what you want. Of course, a little dirt on there, you have a localized heat event, and all of a sudden things aren't as reflective as they should be, and zonk, you have a hole right through the armor.

    100 KW for a battlefield laser, eh? Personally, I'm thinking being in front of one of these is a very, very bad idea.

  • by LabRat ( 8054 ) on Saturday February 24, 2007 @07:25PM (#18137560)
    Maybe not retinal damage, but "not transparent" generally means "will absorb"...so you'd have have massive epithelial and corneal damage instead. Basically like having a LASIK device going randomly berserk on you. Not a happy thought, to say the least. In it's (apparently) intended use for shooting down missiles/mortars in the short-range theater...the ranges involved shouldn't allow for much in the way of intensity of the scatter. Use against nearby ground targets is, of course, might be a different story.
  • by vandan ( 151516 ) on Saturday February 24, 2007 @07:30PM (#18137620) Homepage

    In fact, 25 nations spend a higher percent of their GDP on the militairy than the US does.

    This is wrong for a number of reasons.

    Firstly, I didn't mention spending as a percentage of GDP; I was talking about absolute spending.

    Next, comparing spending / GDP with other nations with incredibly low GDPs isn't really giving a clear picture of what's going on. For example, who the hell is Eritrea, the so-called No 1 in military spending in the world? You see, if these countries have a very small GDP, the figures are going to look distorted even if they only buy a couple of grenades.

    Next, the US hides massive amounts of its military spending. The figure they used in that CIA table was the official maintenance cost of the US military. This is the amount that would be required just to keep the military at home. But they're never at home! Things like the wars aren't counted by the US, for some reason. These are 'extra' costs. The trillion dollars that Dubya has asked for to cover the next year in Iraq, well that's not counted. The budget of the CIA, with their military coupes against democratically elected governments and such, well that's not counted. And research on weapons such as this laser. That's not counted either. So you see, if all these things were counted, then the US would be at the top of the list in terms of GDP as well. They're already at the top of the list in absolute terms, which is the point I was originally making.

    Really? Where did you read this? I thought it was a big conspiracy by the tin foil companies.

    That's because you're either in denial, or you'e completely fooled by the propaganda. It's YOU who needs a tin foil hat :)
  • by ScrewMaster ( 602015 ) on Saturday February 24, 2007 @07:44PM (#18137726)
    Don't bother him with facts. You'll just distort his prefabricated worldview, and you wouldn't want to do that (just be sure to be completely reasonable when discussing the stupidass things his country's government does, otherwise you might inadvertently expose some hypocrisy.)

    He also forgets that the our military has very limited ability to operate within the territorial United States (e.g. the Posse Comitatus Act.) Oh, I agree that there are many someones, somewhere, who bear the responsibility for not stopping that tragedy, especially after all the billions we've spent on security. However, the finger should be squarely pointed at civilian agencies such as the FBI, CIA, NSA, and other organizations referred to by various three-letter abbreviations (if it happens again, I think the letters DHS would top the list.) The United States military is not really at fault for what amounts to a failure of domestic intelligence and/or the ability act upon it.
  • by OverlordQ ( 264228 ) on Saturday February 24, 2007 @08:00PM (#18137838) Journal
    Insightful how? Making mirrors that can withstand 100+kW of energy you can't exactly go down to your hardware store. Insurgents have nowhere near the facilities or technology to create anything close to withstanding 100kW.
  • by vandan ( 151516 ) on Saturday February 24, 2007 @08:00PM (#18137844) Homepage
    It's very subjective. It's easier to so which nation isn't the most free than it is to say which is...

    Venezuela is looking very promising. They're creating soviet-style workers' councils and other community-based groups ... and this is supported by the state, under Chavez. They're also setting up co-managed factories, where workers elect managers, and can also recall them. This is also a very good step in the right direction, democracy-wise. Read up on the Bolivarian revolution for more info on what direction they're heading in.

    As a general rule, the level of development of capitalism inside a country mirrors the level of attacks on personal freedoms. So the big economic powers require more and more power to control their population. This was shown very well in the recent anti-Dick Cheney demos in Sydney. We broke numerous records for police numbers, roads closed, and probably personal injuries resulting from police violence. So I don't think Australia is exactly leading the way here either. Our government's abandonment of David Hicks in Guantanimo Bay for 5 years is another example ... as Guantanimo Bay is itself an example of where the US is heading.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 24, 2007 @08:09PM (#18137904)
    Both "sharks" and "ohgodsomeonewilltagthissharks" are retarded tags. Christ children, the tag system is there to make is easy to search for related stories. Stop using it for a cheap laugh. Some of us are getting tired of the growing immaturity on slashdot. Hell I remember when there used to be more comments modded insightful and interesting then there were modded funny. That's gotten pretty rare.

    In a couple years you may actually want to look at all the stories about (for example) lasers. Does it make sense to search for "sharks"?
  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 24, 2007 @08:38PM (#18138174)
    That ought to liven up the PowerPoint presentations a bit.

  • by iggymanz ( 596061 ) on Saturday February 24, 2007 @08:43PM (#18138220)
    thanks! that works well on obnoxious Kzinti
  • Re:fp? (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 24, 2007 @10:00PM (#18138800)
    I come at home on a Saturday night and with a moderate amount of anticipation open the RSS feed of Slashdot
    for interesting news. To my dismay I find articles titled "What Vista is Really Like", "Pendulum swinging toward privacy", "A bad month for Firefox" and a bunch of user written comments moderated as 1 point.

    A couple of nights ago there was "SETI finally finds something", another "humorous" article plunging well
    below any standard of journalism .. even web journalism.

    This has been going on for a while now, with article descriptions often ending in brain-numbing questions,
    apparently as a sorry attempt to spark conversation.

    (Ladies and) Gentlemen at slashdot, please don't let Fox news get to you.

    I admit this post may have been provocative and if I don't like what i read, I should be the one to change my habits but yet again it is my opinion that Slashdot wasn't always this mundane.

    I wish you all the the best.
  • by vandan ( 151516 ) on Saturday February 24, 2007 @10:44PM (#18139060) Homepage
    Hey. At least I know about it. I'm an Australian ... and I know about things happening in other people's countries, because I'm interested in the world I live in. The fact that I don't remember exactly what they called the 9/11 commission ( and I do believe I had it right, I was just not 100% sure ), is proof that the media has tried to bury the findings of an extremely importing investigation. But if you want to know exactly what it's called, why don't you go look for yourself? You're not exactly denying anything I'm saying, are you? Is that because you don't know, or because you DO, know ... ie know that I'm correct?

    I find that people are throwing these mindless 1-line responses around as AC a lot recently ... surely the 'coward' part of 'anonymous coward' rings true. A question to all the ACs out there: if you disagree with me enough to respond, why not actually take me up on some of my points? Perhaps it would require a brain and some understanding.
  • by LordEd ( 840443 ) on Saturday February 24, 2007 @11:08PM (#18139276)

    Does it make sense to search for "sharks"?
    1. If you want to read about sharks, search for 'lasers'
    2. If you want to read about lasers, search for 'sharks'
    3. If you want to read about Microsoft doing something good, search for 'itsatrap'
    4. If you want to read about Vista, search for 'defectivebydesign'
    5. If you want to read about Canada, search for 'blamecanada'


    Nowhere in the tagging beta faq does it say that the main purpose of tags is for searching. It says "We don't know exactly how this will all work, and a lot of it really depends on you." Just because a tag isn't popular doesn't mean you can't use it. I tend to use the tag 'lawsuit' for anything related to somebody suing somebody, although i don't usually see it pop up to the top.
  • by iPaul ( 559200 ) on Saturday February 24, 2007 @11:10PM (#18139290) Homepage
    As I said, your yardstick may differ. For example, being able to own a gun is more important to you than not having your phone calls tapped without warrants, or having a "sneak and peak" search conducted on your house, or being detained indefinitely and without the right to challenge the detention in court (habeas corpus) because of an arbitrary designation that you are an enenmy combatant*. According to your definition, the Swiss are the freest people on Earth, since they get to keep their military weapons (I'm talkin' full fledged machine guns - none of this semi-auto crap) after they leave their service.

    Jose Padilla is US citizen picked up in Chicago.

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