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A Peek Inside DARPA's Current Projects 94

dthomas731 writes to tell us that Computerworld has a brief article on some of DARPA's current projects. From the article: "Later in the program, Holland says, PAL will be able to 'automatically watch a conversation between two people and, using natural-language processing, figure out what are the tasks they agreed upon.' At that point, perhaps DARPA's PAL could be renamed HAL, for Hearing Assistant That Learns. The original HAL, in the film 2001: A Space Odyssey, tells the astronauts how it knows they're plotting to disconnect it: 'Dave, although you took thorough precautions in the pod against my hearing you, I could see your lips move.'"
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A Peek Inside DARPA's Current Projects

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  • Not "Strong" AI (Score:5, Interesting)

    by hypermanng ( 155858 ) on Monday January 22, 2007 @02:57PM (#17713674) Homepage
    The DoD funds a huge percentage of AI research, but at the end of the day they're interested in things that can be easily weaponized or used for simple intelligence sifting heuristics. The most fundamentally interesting research in AI is in the humanoid robotics projects such as those at the MIT shop, and it is from these more humanly-modeled projects that anything like HAL could ever issue. Search-digest heuristics like PAL aren't much like humans and will never lead to anything approching a human's contextually rich understanding of the world at large any more than really advanced racecar design will lead to interstellar craft.

    The difference, as Searle would say, between Strong (humanlike) AI and Weak (software widget like) AI is a difference of type, not scale.
  • by silentounce ( 1004459 ) on Monday January 22, 2007 @03:01PM (#17713742) Homepage
    "watch a conversation between two people and, using natural-language processing, figure out what are the tasks they agreed upon."
    Anyone care to guess what they plan to use that little gadget for?
  • Re:The Real Issue (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Eagleartoo ( 849045 ) <{moc.liamtoh} {ta} {renrut_nella}> on Monday January 22, 2007 @03:01PM (#17713744) Journal

    [HAL] The only mistakes a computer makes is due to human error [/HAL]

    I don't think computers are capable of making mistakes, because they are incapapble of thinking, they can process and store but this does not entail thought. Define for me thought.
    Thought -- 1. to have a conscious mind, to some extent of reasoning, remembering experiences, making rational decisions, etc.
    2. to employ one's mind rationally and objectively in evaluating or dealing with a given situation

    I guess what we're looking for in thought is self-awareness. My computer science teacher once said to me that a computer is basically on the same level of intelligence as a cockroach. It evaluates in positive and negatives, 1s and 0s

    Please feel free to blow me out of the water here =)

  • I'm Scared dave (Score:2, Interesting)

    by ErrataMatrix ( 774950 ) on Monday January 22, 2007 @03:05PM (#17713794)
  • by Hyram Graff ( 962405 ) on Monday January 22, 2007 @03:05PM (#17713806)

    [P]erhaps DARPA's PAL could be renamed HAL, for Hearing Assistant That Learns.

    Perhaps, but that's not what the orignal HAL stood for. HAL was short for Hueristic ALgorithmal. Arthur C. Clark had to put that into one of his books in the series (2010 IIRC) because lots of people thought he had derived it by doing a rot25 on IBM.

  • by Perey ( 818567 ) on Monday January 22, 2007 @03:10PM (#17713866)
    If that were true, the war would have been won when they renamed it Freedom dressing.
  • Knowledge (Score:3, Interesting)

    by hypermanng ( 155858 ) on Monday January 22, 2007 @03:18PM (#17713952) Homepage
    The only programming that leads to context-rich understanding that could be called "knowledge" in the human sense is self-programming. Like babies. We're all born with a some basic software and a lot of hardware, but it's interaction over time with our environment that we self-program. One might call it learning, but it's more fundamental than just accumulating facts: it's self-creation.

    Dennett calls us self-created selves. Any AI more than superficially like a human would be the same.
  • vaporware and PR (Score:4, Interesting)

    by geekpuppySEA ( 724733 ) * on Monday January 22, 2007 @03:35PM (#17714168) Journal
    IAA graduate student in computational linguistics.

    Later in the program, Holland says, PAL will be able to "automatically watch a conversation between two people and, using natural-language processing, figure out what are the tasks they agreed upon."

    PAL's role here is not clear. The 'easier' task would be to monitor the body language of the two conversers and, by lining up a list of tasks with the observation of their head movements, correctly predict which points in the conversation were the ones where someone performed an "agreement" gesture.

    The much, much more difficult task would be to actually read lips. There are only certain properties of phonemes you can deduce from how the lips and jaw move; many, many other features of speech are lost. Only when you supply the machine with a limited set of words in a limited topic domain do you get good performance; otherwise, you're grasping at straws. And then taking out most of the speech signal? Please.

    But no, DARPA is cool and will save all the translators in Iraq (by 2009, well before the war ends.) PR and vaporware win the day!

  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 22, 2007 @03:50PM (#17714370)
    > Later in the program, Holland says, PAL will be able to "automatically watch a conversation between two people and, using natural-language processing, figure out what are the tasks they agreed upon."

          Sure. You will first have to solve the problem of understanding natural language in an open ended environment - something that computers are not very good at yet.

          Quite frankly, AI people have been promising this kind of stuff for some 40 years now, and they have so far been unable to deliver. When is PAL going to be able to do what Holland aspires to? Not any time soon - most likely not within the next 20 years.

            AI people, please stop announcing such pie in the sky projects.
  • Clarification (Score:3, Interesting)

    by hypermanng ( 155858 ) on Monday January 22, 2007 @04:57PM (#17715138) Homepage
    I don't mean to imply humanoid robotics qua robotics is necessary to AI development. Rather, only in a creature that acts as an agent inhabiting the world at large can one expect anything like human-level understanding thereof to develop. It's all very well to develop clever as-if software widgets to simulate understanding in carefully controlled circumstances, but they won't scale to true global context richness because 1) they interact with the world over narrow modalities and 2) they don't have the rich internal structure necessary on which predicate agents with deep and flexible competencies.

    It's like we build ever more elaborate visual perception analogues, but they backend into databases that only ask for enumerations of objects discriminated. I don't care how competent the visual system is, it's never going to achieve sentience because it's not part of a whole agent that travels around (in some sense), processes the answers it's getting from the visual system in a multimodal way related to the agent's goals, edits those goals based on new information and so on. It can't just see, it has to look, and it can't just look because someone typed in a domain name, it has to look for a reason and the reason has to be a reason in the sense of being the result of a decision or discrimination, not just an action with a physical cause.

    It would seem that the easiest way to allow for all that is to build something that really moves around in the real world. In short, building a robot with all the appropriate competencies might be really hard, but it's still the most tractable way to achieve Strong AI.
  • Re:The Real Issue (Score:2, Interesting)

    by kurzweilfreak ( 829276 ) <kurzweilfreak@gmAUDENail.com minus poet> on Monday January 22, 2007 @07:17PM (#17716906) Journal
    Prove that you or I are conscious and more than just an incredibly complicated series of IF..THEN statements. :)

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