Expert Wants to Decertify Global Warming Skeptics 926
Penguinisto writes "Apparently in the Senate, at least one scientist wants to put a permanent stop to any arguments over Global Warming. The Weather Channel's most prominent climatologist is advocating that broadcast meteorologists be stripped of their scientific certification if they express skepticism about predictions of manmade catastrophic global warming."
Censorship (Score:4, Interesting)
Weatherchannel (Score:5, Interesting)
So what? (Score:2, Interesting)
You can raise doubt about how much more degrees we will have in 2050, but I would certainly remove certification to people who still claim there is no problem with the evolution of climat.
Manmade being key here... (Score:2, Interesting)
This slashdot post is a mess (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Still the wrong way (Score:4, Interesting)
I think it's ridiculous to believe that sort of thing advances science. It doesn't. There's exactly one place where scientific discussion advances, and it's in peer reviewed scientific journals. Period.
If the weather guys (or anybody) have something to contribute to the scientific discussion, they should write a paper and have it published. Otherwise, they don't count.
What you're talking about is educating the masses on science. That's fine too, but whoever wants to do that has no business mixing in their own personal views, or pretending that by doing so they're advancing scientific debate.
Re:It's also the kind of thing (Score:3, Interesting)
Marc Morano is Exxon PR person (Score:1, Interesting)
"2 November, 2002
Wrote an article entitled "Greens Praise ExxonMobil for Efforts to Save Tiger," which highlighted ExxonMobil's donations to tiger conservation efforts.
Source: CNSNews.com"
http://www.exxonsecrets.org/html/personfactsheet.
Exxon currently has a PR campaign going to refute global warming, they are worried that energy efficiency schemes will reduce their profits.
http://www.prwatch.org/node/5642 [prwatch.org]
So he's just a shill, trying to exaggerate statements made by a weather channel presenter in order to denigrate the science of climate change.
Re:Wrong Way (Score:3, Interesting)
We also know how scientists can also take advantage of that and try to use such publicity to garner additional funds for favored programs. Neither means that there is any consensus in that community on the ideas or theories being publicized, but the public can get the wrong idea about that very easily. Thus the "assertions" Wikipedia mentions pop up as people remember those articles.
Doesn't mean anybody is making anything up.
Fine with me (Score:1, Interesting)
Really, I'm tired of hearing about it completely. It's fine to discuss such things, But I don't wanna hear it when I'm watching television. And scare-mongering will accomplish nothing. No one is gonna give up their easy daily life to give the planet ten or twenty more years.
Just tell me if it's gonna friggin rain tomorrow or not.
Re:Iceless Greenland is a blatant proof (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Iceless Greenland is a blatant proof (Score:1, Interesting)
The prevailing view is that is was political spin by the guy who ran the place to attract more settlers to a fairly marginally inhabitable place. It wasn't actually a tropical paradise, even in the middle ages.
Re:Thoughtcrime (Score:3, Interesting)
I've seen enough lately about global warming to think that we may actually have considerably less effect on the environment than we think. The Earth goes through hot-cold cycles constantly and we have probably sped up this cycle. That's not a good thing. But if you look at the long view... We're about to run out of oil anyhow. They keep predicting 10 years, but they'd done that for 5 or 10 years already. So let's assume it'll stretch out to 30 years. In 30 years, we won't be ABLE to make the pollution that we have been. Nature put built-in limits on it. So we'll have polluted for a few hundred years at the most, then calm down on it whether we like it or not. A hundred years later, I bet we won't even be able to tell anything changed.
It's a fact that the planet is heating up. We know that. But correlation is not the same as causation. We can't separate exactly how much the planet heated up because of things humans have done, and if we can't do that, we can't PROVE that 'global warming' is an issue.
They want to decertify people over a subject that they can't prove.
So, either admit that the earth is flat and God never intended people to fly, or live with the fact that there are people who don't believe what is 'common sense' and fight the system. I kind of like those people.
Re:Thoughtcrime (Score:1, Interesting)
"We're not even allowed to discuss it" he said. "The AMA doesn't recognise chiropracty." Clearly, the man had been muzzled.
-mcgrew
Re:Thoughtcrime (Score:3, Interesting)
In many cases recycling isn't economical, or even environmentally friendly. For example, recycling laser-printed office paper isn't necessarily a good idea. [stanford.edu]
Aluminum cans, on the other hand, make good sense for recycling in most cases.
So instead of "recycle, recycle, recycle" how about "recycle something if that recycling doesn't cause more energy use and chemical pollution than making an new one".
But wait, I forgot... there can be no dissent from the religion of environmentalism.
Re:Thoughtcrime (Score:2, Interesting)
Of course, the contempt may be just rivalry, I'm not entirely sure.
Here's Mississippi State's (the school she attends) relevant websites: Broadcast Meteorology [msstate.edu] and Operational Meteorology [msstate.edu]. A quick perusal suggests that operational meteorology does have stronger science requirements than the vanilla broadcast meteorology degree (though not necessarily the professional broadcast meteorology degree). And yeah, I realize they're more concentrations than degrees.
--sabre86
Adapt or die (Score:2, Interesting)
I think your second point is quite interesting. We are now adapting to global warming, and we a pretty good at it. Just as crop planting decisions are sometimes based on El Nino forecasts, we are in pretty good shape when it comes to making plans to adapt. The market is a help. Insurance companies are beginging to abandon coastal customers for example.
While we may adapt in our activites (we're the best species in that game), other species may not have the time to adapt becuase they rely on evolutionary timescales and we are running the environmental change much faster than that. Species that are adapted to polar or upland habitats will simply run out of room and face extinction. Now, here's the rub, we actually depend on functioning ecosystems for our survival. If we change the conditions so rapidly that ecosystems can no longer function, we could be in very deep trouble, of the sort where our ability to adapt ourselves does not really matter anymore.
Where I live, cherry trees were blooming in December. They usually do this in April. There were not a lot of bees out because they are a bit more sensible. So, the blooms were not pollenated. No matter, it is cold enough now that those blooms would not have born fruit anyway. But, will those trees bloom again in season? If they do, will the trees become diseased because they've expended too much energy and have become weakened. What about if this happens again next year?
The webs of ecosystems are very resiliant, but they are not unbreakable. One needs to think about the broader implications of adaptation to gloabal warming when discussing the merits of adaptation vrs. prevention.
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Disclosure: I have a personal finacial interest in ending global warming (see my home page).
I understand why it's brought up (Score:3, Interesting)
I do understand why intelligent, well-meaning, well-educated people (amongst others) will bring this up - especially if they lived through the 70's and were not involved with the climatology science itself (as very few were, of course). I would not be surprised, either, if you could find a small handful of climatologists (and possibly even journal articles) from the 70's who suggested this.
However, The difference is that it was never accepted by mainstream climatology. Therefore, the global cooling "alarmists" have more in common with the global warming "deniers" of today than with the global warming "alarmists" (and I use both words loosely). That makes this comparison invalid when arguing against "consensus science".
If you want to search journal articles form the 70's and 80's, you can always go here [scirus.com]. You may not be able to pull up the entire article, but you should be able to find the abstracts. (You might want to be selective in your "Information types" - unless you want to get home pages, too.)
Re:Consider the source (Score:1, Interesting)
The answer is almost certainly yes. This is a different question from "Is the Earth warmer than it would be if we had not increased the CO2 concentration?" The answer to that is definately yes.
The reason that this is definite is owing to basic conservation principles. Solar energy is retained by the atmosphere because it is more opaque at infrared wavelengths than at optical wavelengths. The Earth would be much colder if it did not have an atmosphere. The lunar surface (on average) is colder than the Earth's surface. The Moon (on average) is the same distance from the Sun as the Earth. The difference in temperature is mainly owing the the greenhouse effect provided by the Earth's atmosphere. Changing the composition of the atmosphere as we have changes the infrared opacity, increasing it, and thus boosts the greenhouse effect. There can't really be reasonable doubt about this.
The increase in the CO2 concentration in the atmosphere is something we did. The Earth IS warmer than it would be otherwise. It is possible that the "otherwise" temperature would also be higher for other reasons, but for a part of the temperature increase, we are responsible.
I don't think this is anything to feel egotistical about. We're the dominant megafauna. Buffalo remade the plains. It's not so suprising that we're remaking the Earth. We're just not being smart about how we're doing it. I think there is a better way. Take a look at the video on http://www.jointhesolution.com/mdsolar [jointhesolution.com] and see what you think.