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DNA So Dangerous It Doesn't Exist 454

Panaqqa writes "A group of researchers at Boise State University is investigating the theory that there are genome sequences so dangerous they are incompatible with life. Greg Hampikian, a professor of genetics, and his team are comparing all possible short sequences of nucleotides to databases of gene sequences to determine which ones don't exist in nature. The New Scientist reports that the US Department of Defense is interested enough in their work to have awarded them a $1 million grant. I for one am not sure I like the possible directions this research could take."
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DNA So Dangerous It Doesn't Exist

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  • Re:DoD ? (Score:5, Informative)

    by richieb ( 3277 ) <richieb@@@gmail...com> on Thursday January 04, 2007 @06:44AM (#17456086) Homepage Journal
    It used to be called the Department of War. It was changed after WW II.
  • by teslar ( 706653 ) on Thursday January 04, 2007 @06:54AM (#17456138)
    Ah well, reading the rest of TFA (yeah I know, should have done that before, but hey :) ):
    He has already received a $1 million grant from the US Department of Defense to develop a DNA "safety tag" that could be added to voluntary DNA reference samples in criminal cases to distinguish them from forensic samples. Such tags would not necessarily have to consist of lethal sequences, but could be based on primes that would be easy to detect using a simple kit.
    So the /. summary was misleading, the DoD isn't actually after lethal DNA sequences at all and that is not where the money's going.
  • by zuiraM ( 1027890 ) on Thursday January 04, 2007 @07:13AM (#17456228)
    You can avoid burnout with a bit of genetic engineering.

    For instance, if you could modify the common cold into two strains that, when combined, cause the original strain to be reassembled in the victim, then you could choose two patient zero groups with a wide geographical spacing and watch the clock tick.

    The real issue is choosing the right way to limit burnout and then finding a way to control them, so they can be applied as anything other than WMDs, although the US has displayed its eagerness to deploy WMDs in the past.

    Of course, such a strain of anything might be a couple of mutations short of an extinction event, but that has never bothered anyone actually working on these things or funding them to the extent that it stopped "progress".
  • Re:Hmmm... paradox? (Score:5, Informative)

    by Tatarize ( 682683 ) on Thursday January 04, 2007 @07:18AM (#17456248) Homepage
    Um, actually no. At a certain point it becomes more fit for an organism to die. The gene pool and species as a whole evolve, not the individuals. There is a reason old people tend to stop healing, and more so when they aren't needed. Taking up resources and dragging down your family is a bad thing, so at a certain age genes tend to help kill off individuals rather than help them live longer.

    Genes which kill you off when you are a drain on the gene pool are more fit. They tend to help the other individuals in the larger group, many with that same gene. So the gene helps itself by helping others... and killing its possessor.
  • by Tatarize ( 682683 ) on Thursday January 04, 2007 @07:32AM (#17456318) Homepage
    Well that's just stupid. "Race" isn't really anything. There are very few genes which actually differ between such groups. You'd think maybe Asians have genes for their eyes but that same gene exists elsewhere... take a look at Bjork. You'd really be shooting yourself in the foot. As for the difference between Jews and Arabs, there aren't many. As in none, genetically you can't tell them apart.

    Let's say you wanted to kill all blonds. You make a virus that becomes active when it contacts the sequence for blond hair. Assuming you did something to make sure the recessive gene didn't just strike carriers too, you'd end killing blonds and gingers. Ginger is simply red-red, blond-blond genes, whereas blonds are Not-red-* blond-blond. Not-red is a dominate gene, whereas red is recessive.

    Really, you'd want to do the old death camp method. You need to sort them out based on a rather non-existent grouping... that is something only racists can do, not viruses.

    You think there is some gene that defines a race... there really isn't. There are certain genes which exist in varied frequency but none that are that isolated. You might be able to wipe out a village with some rare mutation but, otherwise you're going to create something that just starts killing people off pretty much at random.
  • by De_Boswachter ( 905895 ) on Thursday January 04, 2007 @07:34AM (#17456334) Homepage
    "developing something that kills itself"

    This is different. Long double-stranded DNA molecules (up to several kilobases) can be synthesized chemically in large quantities without using organisms. These can then be introduced into organisms by transfection. If the organisms die, the DNA is lethal.
  • by crowbarsarefornerdyg ( 1021537 ) on Thursday January 04, 2007 @08:24AM (#17456610)
    There was one Racial WMD program against black people in south africa when they had that Apartheid shit going on, it had something to do with circle cells, I think that is a cell type that only black africans have.
    You're thinking of Sickle Cell Anemia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sickle_cell_anemia [wikipedia.org]). And it affects not only Africans, but affect anyone, regardless of race. Sickle Cell Anemia is an extremely painful disease, because the normally round red blood cells form into a sickle shape, causing them to get trapped in the vessels. It causes swelling due to blood backup in the capillaries, and can seriously damage your organs. Please, before making a comment such as this, do a bit of research.
  • by dyslexicbunny ( 940925 ) on Thursday January 04, 2007 @10:10AM (#17457398)
    Beyond the obvious karma boost, how the hell is this informative?
  • by gordyf ( 23004 ) on Thursday January 04, 2007 @11:17AM (#17458230)
    Just a nitpick, but AIDS cannot evolve as it's not a virus, merely a condition. HIV is the virus that causes AIDS.
  • by jc42 ( 318812 ) on Thursday January 04, 2007 @11:56AM (#17458750) Homepage Journal
    Since 90% of DNA is useless junk (warning: figure pulled out of ass, but it's a big number I believe) ...

    The percentage isn't too important (and varies for different species), but there's growing evidence that the "junk DNA" isn't necessarily useless. The phrase really just means DNA that doesn't seem to code for any proteins via any mechanism that we know. But this doesn't mean that it has no function. A few instances of "noncoding" DNA functioning as a regulator of nearby genes have been found, for example.

    An interesting thing came out of the recent sequencing of the DNA of the domestic chicken. It seems that the researchers found a "junk" sequence of around 20,000 base pairs that are identical with a section of human DNA. The common ancestor was around 200 million years ago, and if this DNA weren't useful, random mutations and crossover events would have long since wiped it out. For such a long sequence to be preserved for 200 million years, it has to have a useful function in both species, and will probably be found in most other birds and mammals. Either that, or it's a retrovirus that has colonized both species' genomes. We have no idea what it is, but future research will probably explain it.

    Anyway, researchers are starting to suspect that not all of that "junk DNA" is useless. But we're a long way from understanding it all.
  • by eno2001 ( 527078 ) on Thursday January 04, 2007 @02:13PM (#17461416) Homepage Journal
    Oh I'm well aware of the fact that they research things that aren't used for killing. You're using the fruits of some of that research right now to attack me. ;P (RAR!!!) I'm not saying the D.O.D. is evil. I'm saying that there are some very warped people who work at various levels of our government who are very interested in the ultimate killing technologies. Especially solutions that would exterminate all life on Earth if necessary just to win an ideological argument. Considering how you went off on me, I suspect that you might be one of them. Cheers!
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 04, 2007 @03:00PM (#17462306)
    It is true HIV (the actual virus) is speculated to have been transfered to humans in 1930's http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/5012268.stm [bbc.co.uk] from chimps. Some chimps carry SIVcpz (Simian Immunodeficiency Virus) and this was spread to humans. Feline immunodeficiency virus, or FIV has been around for thousands of years and many cats (wild or carry the virus but don't ever develop symptoms. Evolution has allowed felines to live with the virus.

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