Adam Weiss writes "The Genesis 1 inflatable space station prototype was launched last week from the Ukraine. Now, after a few days of forced silence, Bigelow Aerospace has announced that the mission is so far a complete success. Their website has a detailed description of the launch, as well as the first picture from the craft. For an account right from mission control, the Museum of Science in Boston has posted an interview with Eric Haakonstad, the Program Manager of the mission."
Quote: "After eight years of planning, the actual creation and delivery into space took only nine months." This is fast. Now that space is not for big governments any more, it will be interesting to see what can be done with space. For example, what about debris in orbit, which will be a serious problem. Will space be a business opporturnity for waste-management companies?
For example, what about debris in orbit, which will be a serious problem.
Well they can always build it at a handy Lagrange point [wikipedia.org] so there's at least plenty of room for it to spread out. As a bonus, the orbit would be that much more stable, as well.
Ah, but getting to a Lagrange Point requires much more energy and therefore, cost. The shuttle can only achieve low earth orbit, and in fact NASA currently has no operational system to take humans any further than the Internation Space Station.
For a commercial venture, getting people into low earth orbit is the only viable near-term solution. Putting a space hotel at the L5 point is still a long way off.
Well they can always build it at a handy Lagrange point [wikipedia.org] so there's at least plenty of room for it to spread out. As a bonus, the orbit would be that much more stable, as well.
As if suburbs on our own planet weren't bad enough!
Now that space is not for big governments any more, it will be interesting to see what can be done with space.
I agree, but not necessarily for the obvious reasons.
Space exploration will still require government help. But governments, at least democratic ones that operate by consensus, aren't good at small things. By the time everyone's put their two cents in that's a lot of cents and more to the point, a lot of "stakeholders".
Ventures like this, and of course Scaled, are almost too small for a government t
practically every molecule in the waste stream was once a valuable resource that somebody paid good money to obtain
More to the point, it is extremely common for later civilizations to mine the earlier civilization's trash - see the history of copper mining, etc. Don't throw the trash too far, it makes it harder to mine. (I expect to see trash dump mining for plastic->oil in my lifetime)
Your point about waste management on Earth is well-stated. However, I believe the OP was talking about managing space waste as a business opportunity. Where there's people, there's garbage, and if we wind up with civilian orbital habitats of any appreciable size and/or quantity, there's bound to be plenty of waste products.
For example, what about debris in orbit, which will be a serious problem. Will space be a business opporturnity for waste-management companies?
The inflatable module is designed to handle a certain level of debris impacting it. Even the ISS has a layer of Kevlar around it to protect it. No matter how well protected a space station might be, there is the possibility of something with higher kinetic energy striking it. A full-scale station, like the ISS, will have to have maneuvering capability.
This is exciting news. When I first came across the Trans-hab concept, I thought it was brilliant. Now, a non-government entity is opening the doors to space by actually placing one in orbit. Wow!
While I knew about this last week (whats with the lag on stories guys?!) I think that this design concept is something that should definately help the private space industry. I have been keeping up with the new private space companies through space.com and other outlets of information over the last year or so and I love this stuff. Not only is this design concept something new and innovative, but it is also paving the way for private stations to be built in space for less than say... the ISS is costing. I am a fan of the ISS as well, don't get me wrong, but this new technology has the potential to making stations much much larger than the ISS and allow for more dare I say it... spacious interiors for research and living quarters... since if you need more space you just launch another module that inflates itself and attach it. Don;t have to wait 2 years for this huge bulky thing to be built and put onto a shuttle to launch it either. Now all they have to do is figure out a way to do this on the moon. It'll be more difficult, as we all know, because of the fact that regolith on the moon is more abrasive... I wonder how this module would do in such conditions... anyone know?
While I knew about this last week (whats with the lag on stories guys?!)
You know, most stories you see here on slashdot are submitted by people like you. If you wanted to see this appear on slashdot when you knew of it last week you could have submitted an article link and summary yourself.
I've just received word from my sources at Bigelow Aerospace that their experimental autopilot [affordable...titute.org] is working great! This inflatable technology is AWETHOME!
I think UR30 is on to something, anyone have any ideas what being hit by a small piece of space junk, a piece smaller than my fist but moving at a few hundred miles an hour will do to one of these things? I really want ideas like this module to suceed, anything to reliably get more people and productive work into orbit.
On a humerous note, does an inflatable space station seem like something from Futurerama or Sluggy Freelance to anyone besides me?
anyone have any ideas what being hit by a small piece of space junk,..will do to one of these things?
I can't find a link at the moment, but ground tests showed pretty much what you'd expect--it does much better than a metal can, to roughly the same extent as a modern bullet proof vest out performs a suit of (aluminum) armor in a gun fight.
Yes, there are things that will destroy it. But Kg for Kg, Kevlar is a lot better than aluminum foil at protecting you from small, high speed impacts.
I think UR30 is on to something, anyone have any ideas what being hit by a small piece of space junk, a piece smaller than my fist but moving at a few hundred miles an hour will do to one of these things?
Millions in engineering and they overlooked that little detail. Time to pack it up and go back to the drawing board.
Of course it would do damage. Just like it would do damage to a conventional space station, the Hubble, shuttle orbiter or anything else in LEO. You'd be lucky if it was only going a few hundred mph. More likely it would be thousands of mph and the effect would be spectacular regardless of what it hits. Anything the size you describe is probably already being tracked, along with burned out motors, dead satellites, wrenches, and pieces of insulation. What's harder to track are paint chips and debris from collisions. One dead Russian sat is leaking blobs of liquid metal.
Here's a good blog on space junk [blogspot.com]. One proposed solution are satellite robot junk collectors that snag space junk and then deorbit to dispose of it. Make a couple of those a part of every mission. For the big stuff all that's required is slowing it down a few meters per second and the atmosphere takes care of it for you. The problem are things too small to track.
I've always been curious of solutions to the space junk problem. This was one proposed solution [movementarian.com]. Another that I thought of is to drag a giant curtain around with you in orbit, capturing, if not deflecting stuff. Sort of like dragging a big net through the ocean. Then, when done, just empty it (not sure how yet) at the atmosphere, and everything burns up. Unless you catch a satellite in the process:)
anyone have any ideas what being hit by a small piece of space junk, a piece smaller than my fist but moving at a few hundred miles an hour will do to one of these things?
It would probably just bounce off. This is not some child's latex balloon we're talking about. The walls consist of five layers of carbon fiber composite. The TransHab module that this thing is based off of had 16 inch thick walls.
More than 50 ballistics tests at the University of Dayton Research Institute and the University of Den
I was a student under the lead engineer and patent holder of the original TransHab module. Dr. Scnieder now works for Bigelow. I've read so many "pop" like a balloon comments over the years, they drive me crazy. This system is MORE robust than an aluminum module.
If the current system works like the original transhab sheild, I can tell you exactly how it works. There are alternating layers of a super-high strength fiber fabric, simmilar to kevlar but much harder. Its a ceramic based fiber IIRC. These are a
OK, we don't have the launch footage because someone knocked over the camera(!?!?). And we lost contact right after launch because of a power outage. But here's a really blurry picture to prove it's up there.
Also, our business model is that if we just get it up there someone else will... um... well, rent it or lease it for something. You know, it's just like building a strip mall. If you just build the space, someone else will pay to occupy it or use it to advertise. Except, of course, that this is in space where people can't really get to or see.
This story is so sketchy, and the web site is so cheesey, I'm tempted to think this whole thing is fake. I know it's been in the news before, but so has the Phantom console. At best, it sounds like some crackpot in Real Estate came up with a stupid but futuristic sounding idea, and managed to get a lot of funding for it.
The only possible use I can see for this is to lease it to NASA. NASA could save money by abandoning the ISS and use this for a lower cost. Of course NASA ran out of useful experiments to do a long time ago, so I don't know what they would actually use this for, but it would be cheaper than what they're doing now.
From TFA: Las Vegas, We Have a Problem
Just as the anticipated time of SpaceQuest's contact with the Genesis I was approaching, a major storm caused power outages in much of the Arlington area. SpaceQuest, which was to receive the first communication from Genesis I and relay it to Las Vegas, had no power. Now, there was a little more than 30 minutes before SpaceQuest controllers were supposed to hear a cry of life from the Genesis I, but there was no life in the receivers in Virginia.
They are trying to manage a SPACEFLIGHT and they don't have a simple backup power source? Don't book my ticket just yet please...
Errr... is it just me, or do these images look rendered? wtf?
A number of the images are renderings from various articles on Bigelow Aerospace. For whatever reason, I guess they wanted to make the screen look flashier (or protect proprietary information) and just put up stock images and splash screens when the photo was taken.
That's hilarious... "Yeah here in mission control we are watching; Someone elses' space launch, Some old picture of a nebula, A picture someone made of a fake planet in a cloud field, Coverage of MIR (i swear thats live), some artist's rendition of 3 aerobag orbiters... What? Our own ship? Right... I think that was on channel 4, where did I leave that remote?"
4. If you had the opportunity to play a free game of bingo coming directly to you from the spacecraft with the possibility to win prizes, how often would you visit the site?
WTF? Space Bingo? What kind of circus clown is running Bigelow Aerospace if this is their idea for making piles of cash with a manned spacecraft? And who the hell thought the target market for an aerospace venture would be my 70-year-old grandmother?
Just goes to show why nerds work on the tech end of things, not the marketing...
You laugh, but one of the talks at the last Bingo World conference was on attracting younger players. (I missed it, because I was in a different talk at the time.) They do glow-in-the dark bingo and shit like that, and it works. I think Bingo is about the most boring way to waste your money possible, but I'm sure there's something worse. Keep in mind that this is my personal opinion; lots of people love bingo.
You can bet your ass that people bored to play online bingo in the first pl
Private input into the space industry is an inevitable part of it's future.
Finding of risk capital for novel ideas is possibly their biggest asset compared to traditional government projects.
But I somewhat less impressed by all the (tm) stuff in the Bigelow website; the phrases 'Fly your stuff', 'Out there', 'Life and death', 'By your command' and 'Multiverse' are now trade marks???
Just imagine Columbus having trademarked things like 'Go west' or 'The world is round'.
When
When Arthur C. Clarke imagined that in 2001 we would build an artificial computer intelligence that would turn homicidal in order to wrest control of a spacecraft, and that in 2010 we would land on a moon made entirely of diamond, people thought that sounded plausible and cool.
On the other hand, if someone had proposed at that time that in 2006 a spacecraft would launch from the Ukraine called "Genesis 1", and that mission control in Las Vegas would lose power at the last minute and would have to run an extension cord to the restaurant across the street for power, people would have thought that was the stupidest, most implausible thing they had ever heard.
When Arthur C. Clarke imagined that in 2001 we would build an artificial computer intelligence that would turn homicidal in order to wrest control of a spacecraft...
HAL was compelled to obey the orders he was given, and was given contradictory orders: ensure the success of the mission at all costs, and serve and protect the crew. When it began to appear to HAL that the crew themselves could be a threat to the success of the mission, he had to choose the order that was given higher priority.
HAL was compelled to obey the orders he was given, and was given contradictory orders: ensure the success of the mission at all costs, and serve and protect the crew. When it began to appear to HAL that the crew themselves could be a threat to the success of the mission, he had to choose the order that was given higher priority.
Oh, sure, the old "it can only be attributable to human error" defense.;-)
On the other hand, if someone had proposed at that time that in 2006 a spacecraft would launch from the Ukraine called "Genesis 1", and that mission control in Las Vegas would lose power at the last minute and would have to run an extension cord to the restaurant across the street for power, people would have thought that was the stupidest, most implausible thing they had ever heard.
I'm not so sure. There's a fair amount of SF from way back that assumes that space travel will be much like everything else
Um, no. For those who can't be bothered to google, the Dnepr is a joint Russian-Ukrainian venture to make a profit out of disposing of expired ballistic missiles. Russia has lots of old SS-18 "Satan" ICBM's sitting around, which are expensive to maintain, many of which are past expiration date, and which it anyway has to get rid of thanks to the START treaty. The Satan was originally designed by OKB Yuzhnoe, which is located in Dnepropetrovsk, Ukraine. Yuzhnoe therefore gets the job of converting the old IC
One of the first communication satellites was the Echo 1, a metalized mylar inflated sphere...back in 1960. It was large - lightly over 30 meters in diameter. It stayed in orbit for 8 years and was visible to the naked eye as a very bright star. The advantages were wide bandwith and low cost, but the disadvantage was high signal loss.
Echo II was an improved version, with better sphericity and reflectivity, boosting performance, but passive sats were no longer sexy and NASA abandoned them for active satelli
For Bigelow, a dream first drawn out when he started Bigelow Aerospa ce in 1999 had become reality. [...] After eight years of planning, the actual creation and delivery into space took only nine months.
Let's see... 1999 + 8 years of planning + 9 months of "creation and delivery" ( starting in October) would have to mean we're somewhere in 2009 right now...
According to this article in Alan Boyle's Cosmic Log, you can actually spot the Genesis-1 spacecraft for yourself in the night sky. From the article: Bigelow wasn't just being metaphorical about seeing that Genesis spacecraft in the sky. Satellite experts have already worked out a schedule of viewing opportunities - some of which should be bright enough for the naked eye. Go to the Heavens-Above Web site [heavens-above.com], plug in your coordinates, then go to the satellite database and search for "Genesis-1." You can also go
Well, at least they didn't hit the inflate button here on earth as see that some prankster had replaced their space station with the first orbital bouncy castle.
Or some other inflatable, amusing and rude item:O hahaha
Managing space debris (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Managing space debris (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Managing space debris (Score:4, Informative)
For a commercial venture, getting people into low earth orbit is the only viable near-term solution. Putting a space hotel at the L5 point is still a long way off.
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Re:Managing space debris (Score:1)
As if suburbs on our own planet weren't bad enough!
- RG>
Re:Managing space debris (Score:3, Interesting)
I agree, but not necessarily for the obvious reasons.
Space exploration will still require government help. But governments, at least democratic ones that operate by consensus, aren't good at small things. By the time everyone's put their two cents in that's a lot of cents and more to the point, a lot of "stakeholders".
Ventures like this, and of course Scaled, are almost too small for a government t
Re:Managing space debris (Score:2)
More to the point, it is extremely common for later civilizations to mine the earlier civilization's trash - see the history of copper mining, etc. Don't throw the trash too far, it makes it harder to mine. (I expect to see trash dump mining for plastic->oil in my lifetime)
Re:Managing space debris (Score:2)
Re:Managing space debris (Score:2)
I was hoping some people would say "that's a neat idea" before they figured it out.
Re:Managing space debris (Score:2)
The inflatable module is designed to handle a certain level of debris impacting it. Even the ISS has a layer of Kevlar around it to protect it. No matter how well protected a space station might be, there is the possibility of something with higher kinetic energy striking it. A full-scale station, like the ISS, will have to have maneuvering capability.
There is,
Congrats, but... (Score:1)
Pity it looks like a weather balloon.
Re:Congrats, but... (Score:2, Funny)
Good for the space industry. (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Good for the space industry. (Score:1)
You know, most stories you see here on slashdot are submitted by people like you. If you wanted to see this appear on slashdot when you knew of it last week you could have submitted an article link and summary yourself.
Re:Good for the space industry. (Score:2)
You just lost me. And, I'd bet, a large percentage of your potential audience.
Experimental Autopilot checks out positive! (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Experimental Autopilot checks out positive! (Score:1)
and I was thinking, "why would it shrink out four letters for three dots"
then I checked what the address really was. far less interesting, let me tell you.
Re:Experimental Autopilot checks out positive! (Score:1)
Another picture of Otto Pilot [indcjournal.com] with some other guy.
Space Debris (Score:1)
Re:Space Debris (Score:3, Informative)
anyone have any ideas what being hit by a small piece of space junk,..will do to one of these things?
I can't find a link at the moment, but ground tests showed pretty much what you'd expect--it does much better than a metal can, to roughly the same extent as a modern bullet proof vest out performs a suit of (aluminum) armor in a gun fight.
Yes, there are things that will destroy it. But Kg for Kg, Kevlar is a lot better than aluminum foil at protecting you from small, high speed impacts.
--MarkusQ
Re:Space Debris (Score:5, Interesting)
Millions in engineering and they overlooked that little detail. Time to pack it up and go back to the drawing board.
Of course it would do damage. Just like it would do damage to a conventional space station, the Hubble, shuttle orbiter or anything else in LEO. You'd be lucky if it was only going a few hundred mph. More likely it would be thousands of mph and the effect would be spectacular regardless of what it hits. Anything the size you describe is probably already being tracked, along with burned out motors, dead satellites, wrenches, and pieces of insulation. What's harder to track are paint chips and debris from collisions. One dead Russian sat is leaking blobs of liquid metal.
Here's a good blog on space junk [blogspot.com]. One proposed solution are satellite robot junk collectors that snag space junk and then deorbit to dispose of it. Make a couple of those a part of every mission. For the big stuff all that's required is slowing it down a few meters per second and the atmosphere takes care of it for you. The problem are things too small to track.
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Re:Space Debris (Score:1)
Re:Space Debris (Score:2, Informative)
It would probably just bounce off. This is not some child's latex balloon we're talking about. The walls consist of five layers of carbon fiber composite. The TransHab module that this thing is based off of had 16 inch thick walls.
Meteor/Debris Protection System (Score:1)
Sirius Cybernetics? (Score:4, Insightful)
Reminds me of some elevators and automatic doors, all very happy to serve.
*chuckles*
Imagine a Beowolf cluster of these... (Score:2, Funny)
-a.d.-
Rubber Duckie Needs A Friend... (Score:2)
Is this even real? (Score:3, Interesting)
Also, our business model is that if we just get it up there someone else will... um... well, rent it or lease it for something. You know, it's just like building a strip mall. If you just build the space, someone else will pay to occupy it or use it to advertise. Except, of course, that this is in space where people can't really get to or see.
This story is so sketchy, and the web site is so cheesey, I'm tempted to think this whole thing is fake. I know it's been in the news before, but so has the Phantom console. At best, it sounds like some crackpot in Real Estate came up with a stupid but futuristic sounding idea, and managed to get a lot of funding for it.
The only possible use I can see for this is to lease it to NASA. NASA could save money by abandoning the ISS and use this for a lower cost. Of course NASA ran out of useful experiments to do a long time ago, so I don't know what they would actually use this for, but it would be cheaper than what they're doing now.
Re:Is this even real? (Score:2)
Um... you can see it for yourself [heavens-above.com], and the satellite has been tracked by government ground stations since its launch.
The only possible use I can see for this is to lease it to NASA.
Or the various millionaires who might want a roomier destination than the ISS to take a trip on a Soyuz rocket to.
You have GOT to be kidding (Score:4, Insightful)
Las Vegas, We Have a Problem
Just as the anticipated time of SpaceQuest's contact with the Genesis I was approaching, a major storm caused power outages in much of the Arlington area. SpaceQuest, which was to receive the first communication from Genesis I and relay it to Las Vegas, had no power. Now, there was a little more than 30 minutes before SpaceQuest controllers were supposed to hear a cry of life from the Genesis I, but there was no life in the receivers in Virginia.
They are trying to manage a SPACEFLIGHT and they don't have a simple backup power source? Don't book my ticket just yet please...
Re:You have GOT to be kidding (Score:2)
http://www.bigelowaerospace.com/out_there/mission_ control.php [bigelowaerospace.com]
to one of NASA's,
http://www.nasa.gov/audience/formedia/presskits/ff s_gallery_mcc_image3.html [nasa.gov]
and you'll notice that NASA's people actually have *stuff* on their screens instead of wallpapers and miscalenous windows backgrounds.
When you send something into space you want to have a return on the investment
Re:You have GOT to be kidding (Score:2)
Errr... is it just me, or do these images look rendered? wtf?
Re:You have GOT to be kidding (Score:2)
Errr... is it just me, or do these images look rendered? wtf?
A number of the images are renderings from various articles on Bigelow Aerospace. For whatever reason, I guess they wanted to make the screen look flashier (or protect proprietary information) and just put up stock images and splash screens when the photo was taken.
Re:You have GOT to be kidding (Score:2)
From the Site's Marketing Questionnaire... (Score:4, Funny)
WTF? Space Bingo? What kind of circus clown is running Bigelow Aerospace if this is their idea for making piles of cash with a manned spacecraft? And who the hell thought the target market for an aerospace venture would be my 70-year-old grandmother?
Just goes to show why nerds work on the tech end of things, not the marketing...
-JT
Re:From the Site's Marketing Questionnaire... (Score:2)
You laugh, but one of the talks at the last Bingo World conference was on attracting younger players. (I missed it, because I was in a different talk at the time.) They do glow-in-the dark bingo and shit like that, and it works. I think Bingo is about the most boring way to waste your money possible, but I'm sure there's something worse. Keep in mind that this is my personal opinion; lots of people love bingo.
You can bet your ass that people bored to play online bingo in the first pl
Well done (Score:2)
Private input into the space industry is an inevitable part of it's future.
Finding of risk capital for novel ideas is possibly their biggest asset compared to traditional government projects.
But I somewhat less impressed by all the (tm) stuff in the Bigelow website; the phrases 'Fly your stuff', 'Out there', 'Life and death', 'By your command' and 'Multiverse' are now trade marks???
Just imagine Columbus having trademarked things like 'Go west' or 'The world is round'.
When
Ukraine??? (Score:2)
Re:Ukraine??? (Score:2)
phew! (Score:1)
that sounds weird to say...
The limits of human imagination (Score:3, Interesting)
On the other hand, if someone had proposed at that time that in 2006 a spacecraft would launch from the Ukraine called "Genesis 1", and that mission control in Las Vegas would lose power at the last minute and would have to run an extension cord to the restaurant across the street for power, people would have thought that was the stupidest, most implausible thing they had ever heard.
HAL 9000 was framed! (Score:2)
HAL was compelled to obey the orders he was given, and was given contradictory orders: ensure the success of the mission at all costs, and serve and protect the crew. When it began to appear to HAL that the crew themselves could be a threat to the success of the mission, he had to choose the order that was given higher priority.
Re:HAL 9000 was framed! (Score:1)
Re:HAL 9000 was framed! (Score:2)
Re:The limits of human imagination (Score:2)
I'm not so sure. There's a fair amount of SF from way back that assumes that space travel will be much like everything else
WTF launched from Ukraine??? (Score:2)
geee (Score:1)
Inflatable spacecraft? Been done. 46 years ago (Score:2)
It was large - lightly over 30 meters in diameter. It stayed in orbit for 8 years and was visible to the naked eye as a very bright star. The advantages were wide bandwith and low cost, but the disadvantage was high signal loss.
Echo II was an improved version, with better sphericity and reflectivity, boosting performance, but passive sats were no longer sexy and NASA abandoned them for active satelli
Sketchy Math... (Score:2)
Let's see... 1999 + 8 years of planning + 9 months of "creation and delivery" (
starting in October) would have to mean we're somewhere in 2009 right now...
How to find it in the night sky (Score:2)
Bigelow wasn't just being metaphorical about seeing that Genesis spacecraft in the sky. Satellite experts have already worked out a schedule of viewing opportunities - some of which should be bright enough for the naked eye. Go to the Heavens-Above Web site [heavens-above.com], plug in your coordinates, then go to the satellite database and search for "Genesis-1." You can also go
Re:Old News? (Score:2, Funny)
Well, at least they didn't hit the inflate button here on earth as see that some prankster had replaced their space station with the first orbital bouncy castle.
Or some other inflatable, amusing and rude item :O hahaha