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Comments: 296 +-   Cloak of Invisibility Coming Soon on Wednesday May 03 2006, @12:22PM

Posted by CmdrTaco on Wednesday May 03 2006, @12:22PM
from the i've-heard-that-before dept.
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davaguco writes "It seems that we will finally be able to make ourselves invisible" It seems like this story resurfaces every few months and then gets submitted a zillion times so here it is. Personally I'm still waiting for my cloak of evasion. 20% miss chance is awesome.
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  • Pictures (Score:5, Funny)

    by nizo (81281) * on Wednesday May 03 2006, @12:23PM (#15255244) Homepage Journal
    The article doesn't have any pictures; one can be found here [jpassion.net].
    • Re:Pictures (Score:5, Funny)

      by clevershark (130296) on Wednesday May 03 2006, @12:24PM (#15255252) Homepage
      You just think there were no pictures! That's how effective the technology really is!
    • Re:Pictures (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Tackhead (54550) on Wednesday May 03 2006, @12:28PM (#15255287)
      > The article doesn't have any pictures; one can be found here [http://www.jpassion.net/sitepix/blank_square.gif] .

      Nothing to see there. Moving right along...

      From TFA:

      Prof Milton's team calculated that when certain objects are placed next to superlenses, the light bouncing off them is essentially erased by light reflecting off the superlens, making the object invisible.

      Sounds an awful lot like the technology speculated about in Dean Ing's Ransom of Black Stealth One [powells.com] about ten years ago.

        • Re:Pictures (Score:4, Insightful)

          by servognome (738846) on Wednesday May 03 2006, @12:53PM (#15255526)
          This Is What Scientists Actually Believe!

          Science isn't about the "truth," it is about models that explain a set of data. Doesn't matter if their model is real, it explains and predicts a set of behavior. Once data is discovered that contradicts the model, scientists work on reformulating it.
  • Screw that! (Score:5, Funny)

    by Gilmoure (18428) <(gilmoure) (at) (gmail.com)> on Wednesday May 03 2006, @12:24PM (#15255248) Homepage Journal
    I want my Acme rocket roller skates!
  • by Kelson (129150) * on Wednesday May 03 2006, @12:24PM (#15255250) Homepage Journal
    To create a Somebody Else's Problem field [wikipedia.org]? People are quite good at ignoring what they think isn't important (or what they don't want to recognize), so if you could find a way to convince people to ignore something, it would be just as effective as actual invisibility.
  • by EnsilZah (575600) <(EnsilZah) (at) (Gmail.com)> on Wednesday May 03 2006, @12:24PM (#15255257) Homepage
    I really find it hard to believe that the "Nothing for you to see here. Please move along." i just saw is accidental, some meta-humour by Taco perhaps?
  • Hmmm. (Score:5, Funny)

    by x_MeRLiN_x (935994) on Wednesday May 03 2006, @12:24PM (#15255258) Homepage
    I'll believe it when I see it.
  • by ltwally (313043) on Wednesday May 03 2006, @12:26PM (#15255267) Homepage Journal
    "Personally I'm still waiting for my cloak of evasion. 20% miss chance is awesome."
    Yeah, but it doesn't work against constructs or undead, which is why I'll take my epic level cloak of elvenkind any day of the week.
  • Actually, according to D&D 3.5 rules, if you are invisible (as with improved invisibility), but are detected (ie enemies know where you are due to listen checks and/or maybe you just cast a spell, etc) you get a concealment bonus of 50%, which is better than that 20% evasion that you are talking about. So given a cloak of evasion or a cloak of invisibility, I would much rather have the invisibility, thank you very much. Even with regular invisibility I think it's a 25% concealment bonus -- still better than 20%.
    • by jt418-93 (450715) on Wednesday May 03 2006, @12:31PM (#15255318)
      seriously, get out and get laid dude.
    • by godscent (22976) on Wednesday May 03 2006, @12:44PM (#15255445)
      I assume CmdrTaco is talking about some other game. In D&D, evasion doesn't provide any kind of miss chance. It allows you to take less damage on certain attacks when making a successful reflex saving throw.

      Also, there is no cloak of evasion. There is a ring of evasion, though.

    • Because of your post, I would like to present you with this +3 Sceptre of Extreme Dorkdom. I'm confident that you'll know exactly what the benefits and disadvantages of wielding it are.
      • brilliant :-)

        Worthy of seenonslash.com - see you there . . .
      • by Ansonmont (170786) on Wednesday May 03 2006, @01:26PM (#15255779)
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      • I'm fairly sure that most people who play D+D can't do much else but "wield their sceptres", if you get my drift.
        • by Maxo-Texas (864189) on Wednesday May 03 2006, @05:13PM (#15257881)
          All kidding aside...

          It's a social game- my daughter and her husband played it together in college (it's partially how they met-- it's partially how me and her mom met). They play in my game now that they are back in town. Unfortunately- her mom and I only made it about 10 years.

          There were plenty of females in their college group.

          My games have had a lot of females and couples over the years including a couple messy affairs.

          My game was the basis for a sporting event (Ultimate frisbee) for close to a decade (if we didn't play- it didn't make). I still play ultimate twice a week and just last week they commented on my showing a bit of a six-pack.

          As for me... well I've probably seen more action than you have unless you are an NBA star and none of it through clubs or with "club" girls. A surprising amount through Everquest including a couple trips to Vegas.

          All of this takes money of course- which being a geek in the 80's made pretty easy to do in the 90's and now. I learned a lot of skills writing my D&D utilities in apple basic and cobol.

          Are some D&D folks massive nerds? Sure-- but so are some Harley motorcycle fans. Are they happy? If so why pick on them unless it makes you feel better about your own life (which undoubtably lacks perfection in some way too).

  • From the end of TFA: So far the researchers have only worked through the mathematics to prove that the device is plausible. The practicalities of making one have yet to be solved.
  • by kimvette (919543) on Wednesday May 03 2006, @12:31PM (#15255314) Homepage
    Slashdotters already have the power of invisibility. They can snipe other users with impunity via the Anonymous Coward feature. ;)
  • Tesla did it! (Score:4, Interesting)

    by cyber_rigger (527103) on Wednesday May 03 2006, @12:34PM (#15255335) Homepage Journal
    Sounds like a rehash of a phase conjugate mirror.

    http://www.cheniere.org/books/analysis/pc_wave.htm [cheniere.org]

  • by dmeranda (120061) on Wednesday May 03 2006, @12:35PM (#15255352) Homepage
    You pick up a tattered cape (K unpaid). Only $250 for you.
    You put on the tattered cape.
    Suddenly, you can see through yourself.
    The nurse hits.
    You can not remove the cloak, it seems to be cursed.
    The nurse hits.
    The floor is too hard to dig here.
    Really attack Wengretik the shopkeeper?
    Wengretik strikes at thin air.
    The nurse hits.
    Wengretik hits. Wengretik hits.
    You die.
  • by Izhido (702328) on Wednesday May 03 2006, @12:36PM (#15255362) Homepage
    ... when certain objects are placed next to superlenses, the light bouncing off them is essentially erased by light reflecting off the superlens, making the object invisible.
    Maybe I'm getting this the wrong way, but if the object "absorbs" the light coming to it through the lens, wouldn't that object be perceived as black? I thought "invisible" is when any light coming behind the object passes through it, and into the observer's eye, with no obstacles whatsoever. But maybe it's just me...
    • That's exactly true for human vision and the requirements for true invisibility... However, radar isn't quite as sophisticated as human vision. Rendering an object black is essentially the same as rendering it invisible because radar systems detect the reflection of radar off of objects to determine their location. The radar is actively transmitted and I imagine it would be very difficult to determine the difference between lack of reflection from dissipation vs a lack of reflection from absorbance of an
      • If I recall correctly, something similar to this was used in the serbo-croatian conflict; one side found that they could detect incoming airborne objects (planes, missiles, etc.) by detecting "holes" in cellphone broadcast beacon radiation. They were basicly able to see every location in the sky where reflection was either greater or less than it should be.
  • by flagstone (464079) on Wednesday May 03 2006, @12:36PM (#15255372)
    Didn't Jack Bauer already employ the "hoodie of invisibility" a couple of weeks (hours?) ago when sneaking onto the airplane?
  • Huh? (Score:3, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 03 2006, @12:38PM (#15255393)
    I must not be a big enough nerd. I thought the cloak of evasion was something that helped you pay less taxes.
  • by Luscious868 (679143) on Wednesday May 03 2006, @12:42PM (#15255422)
    Keep it away from future Dick Cheney hunting parties. He already shoots at people he can see, imagine the damage something like this could cause.
  • by blair1q (305137) on Wednesday May 03 2006, @12:45PM (#15255459) Journal
    most slashdotters can make themselves invisible simply by entering a room

    (you're nodding your head right now, aren't you?)
  • by moochfish (822730) on Wednesday May 03 2006, @12:47PM (#15255480)
    Prof Milton's team calculated that when certain objects are placed next to superlenses, the light bouncing off them is essentially erased by light reflecting off the superlens, making the object invisible.

    Wouldn't that make the cloak appear like a big black void of light?? Making things "invisible" requires light from the objects behind the cloak to pass through it.
  • MMPPI (Score:3, Funny)

    by DigiShaman (671371) on Wednesday May 03 2006, @12:48PM (#15255491) Homepage
    MMPPI = Megnetic Multiplexing Photon Phase Inversion.

    Ya, I made it up. Sounds cool though, so it must work. :P
  • From the article:
    The cloaking device relies on recently discovered materials used to make superlenses that make light behave in a highly unusual way. Instead of having a positive refractive index - the property which makes light bend as it passes through a prism or water - the materials have a negative refractive index, which effectively makes light travel backwards.

    Trust scientists to come up with a complicated term for "mirror" ... :)
  • by bastardknight (918695) on Wednesday May 03 2006, @01:02PM (#15255602)
    Can you seen me now? .... no? good. Can you see me now? .... no? Good. Can you see me now? .... no? Good.
  • All of these "cloaking" stories suffer from basically the same problem. Making something invisible is much, much more complicated than blocking light, or cancelling light, or anything like that.

    The article says, rather imprecisely, "when certain objects are placed next to superlenses, the light bouncing off them is essentially erased by light reflecting off the superlens, making the object invisible."

    But "erasing" the light reflecting off an object doesn't make it invisible, any more than painting a car black... even matte black... makes it invisible.

    In a dark room, if you cover a light with a black box it becomes invisible. When viewing a star from the earth, if it is occulted by, say, the moon passing between you and the object, it becomes invisible. If I pull a red cloak over myself, covering myself completely, you can no longer see me. You cannot tell who I am and if I stand very still perhaps you cannot tell that I am not a statue, so, in a sense, I have become invisible.

    But, to become invisible in the sense of H. G. Wells' "The Invisible Man," or a Star Trek cloaking device, or James Bond's invisible car, or what have you, requires much more than "not being able to see" the object. It means not being able to detect the presence of the object... under real-world lighting conditions, with real-world scenes _behind_ the object, and from more than one vantage point at the same time.

    That last one is the problem with many of these schemes. It doesn't do any good to make an object invisible when viewed by your right eye if there are "matte lines" around it when viewed with your left eye. It doesn't do a lot of good to make an object invisible as viewed from one soldier if it is visible to everyone else in the platoon.

  • At least to women anyway, I smile and say hello and they don't seem to see me. Go figure. :-P
  • by seven of five (578993) on Wednesday May 03 2006, @03:58PM (#15257187) Homepage
    Cloak of Stupidity Already Here!
    • Re:Wouldn't... (Score:5, Insightful)

      by kimvette (919543) on Wednesday May 03 2006, @12:39PM (#15255399) Homepage
      No, but a mosaic of microscopic convex mirrors might. The effect is such that you get the kind of "invisibility" that a chameleon does; the material would refract (or in the case of mirrors reflect) a blending of colours from surrounding objects, such that when an object is motionless it becomes very hard to pick out from the background due to the lack of contrast. It might be similar in appearance to the "invisibility" you see in the Predator movies. Not 100% invisible, but more of a shimmering, blended-in look, only it would not be transparent. If an object were to move behind the camoflauged object, you would immediately be able to pick it out from the background and target it. That's my guess, anyhow.

      A single mirror wouldn't cut it - if a flat mirror, you'd see a singular object from elsewhere in the region, or if a convex mirror, you'd see yourself in the mirror, along with your background. It would stand right out from the background, like an AC troll in an otherwise-reasonable discussion. ;)
    • Radio waves (which RADAR uses) are simply light waves. Radar works by bouncing the waves off an object. If this device refracts the light in such a way that it pass around the object without reflecting off of it, then the radio waves would not be able to return a signal to the radar station.
          • I actually think the trade was cloak for a certain class of Bird of Prey, not warp drive. However, the Vulcans made first contact with Earth, not the Romulans. The Romulans are a sister race to the Vulcans. They both evolved on Vulcan, and then during the Time of Sarek, when Vulcans were coming very close to the point of destroying themselves through constant war, Sarek, the Vulcan "Father of Logic", convinced the majority of the population to learn to suppress their emotions, a (comparatively) small sec
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