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3D Microscopy of Fossils Embedded in Solid Rock 40

Posted by ScuttleMonkey from the john-hammond-getting-interested dept.
whitehatlurker writes "UCLA is reporting that a process involving Raman spectroscopy and confocal laser scanning microscopy has enabled researchers to take three dimensional images of fossils that have been embedded in solid stone for over 650 million years. It also permits characterization of the chemical structures of the fossil. As the process is non-destructive and can image microscopic fossils (such as bacteria) with (formerly) soft tissues, there is speculation that this could be used on a mission to Mars to examine sediments there for evidence of life."
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  • Martian meteorites (Score:5, Insightful)

    by RobotWisdom ( 25776 ) on Sunday February 05, 2006 @07:36AM (#14645290) Homepage
    Wouldn't it be quicker to try it on the Martian meteorites that purportedly showed fossils of cells?

    • Re:Martian meteorites (Score:5, Informative)

      by Tsar ( 536185 ) on Sunday February 05, 2006 @01:30PM (#14646279) Homepage Journal

      The UCLA paleobiologist in question, Dr. J. William Schopf [ucla.edu], has already dealt directly [ucla.edu] with the ALH84001 Mars meteorite [nasa.gov] controversy:

      In "Cradle of Life [princeton.edu]," Schopf recounts his involvement in evaluating the evidence for life on Mars, and the events that led to the life on Mars NASA press conference [cnn.com]. NASA administrators asked him in January 1995 to assess what geologists at the Johnson Spacecraft Center [nasa.gov] (JSC) in Houston believed might be microfossils in a chunk of a meteorite thought to have come from Mars. The focus was on tiny, orange pancake-shaped globules of carbonate material. The scientists thought these globules might be Martian "protozoans," but Schopf's analysis showed that their guess was wrong.

      "Many of the objects merged one into another in a totally nonbiologic way," Schopf says. "Their overall size range also did not fit biology, and they lacked any of the telltale features—pores, tubules, wall layers, spines, chambers, internal structures—that earmark tiny protozoan shells. In addition, the 'lifelike' traits they did possess could be explained by ordinary inorganic processes.

      "I raised these points with the JSC scientists. They seemed to agree. I thought the matter was closed. But more than a year later, at the August 1996 news conference, the same little pancakes were again proffered as evidence of Martian life, this time of bacteria rather than protozoans. Evidently the scientists' minds were set—the facts hadn't changed, only the meaning attached to them."

      Several weeks before the press conference, NASA again asked Schopf to evaluate the findings. He studied the evidence three times, and was not impressed.

      "Crucial questions had not been asked," he writes. "Articles published earlier and critically relevant to the authors' contentions had been ignored. More plausible ways to explain the findings were given short shrift. The claim of 'evidence for primitive life on early Mars [nasa.gov]' seemed overblown, ill-conceived."

      At the press conference, the JSC scientists presented their findings with the aid of "high-tech cartoon videos," says Schopf, who spoke after them.

      "I was wearing my best suit—the one I got married in—looking at hundreds of reporters who wanted me to say there was life on Mars," he says. "I had no doubt my words would prove unwelcome. On a scale of one to 10, I gave each piece of their evidence a score [nasa.gov]. Some, such as the suggested Mars source of the meteorite, I ranked high. But the evidence for life was weak; I gave it a two. A number of scientists later called me to task for being too generous. One Nobel laureate said I should have ranked the evidence zero!

      "This attempt failed to find life at Mars. That does not mean Mars contained no life—just that these scientists didn't find any."

      How do respected scientists, from Scheuchzer [wikipedia.org] and Beringer [wikipedia.org] to the JSC team, Make such blunders? One answer, Schopf says, is that scientists have the same "strengths, fears and foibles as everyone" and are not so different from our neighbors. They have great successes and, sometimes, great failures. Mostly, "Cradle of Life [princeton.edu]" addresses one of science's great successes.

      Perhaps Dr. Schopf's newer techniques will also be applied to ALH84001 and th

      • It has proven multiple times difficult to distinquish life-like features from soil chemistry, crystals, etc., on Mars or meteorites from Mars. The only convincing evidence will probably be direct observations of living tissues moving around or detailed electron microscope images and with Earth-bound contamination ruled out. Indirect evidence has called "wolf" too many times. The seasonally changing patterns on Mars seen in telescopes used to often be attributed to plant life. It turned out to be seasonal wi
      • To see the wild suppositions highly respected scientists make, please see the program Extraterrestrial on National Geographic.

        I still cannot believe that Natgeo actually allowed that joke of a program to be broadcasted.

  • Jurassic Park? (Score:3, Funny)

    by brian0918 ( 638904 ) <brian0918@gma[ ]com ['il.' in gap]> on Sunday February 05, 2006 @07:40AM (#14645294)
    This is news?? Didn't they have this technology in Jurassic Park back in 1993?? Clearly this is once again the fault of the Slashdot editors, for Hollywood has never deceived me before.

  • Nice (Score:5, Interesting)

    by GreatDrok ( 684119 ) on Sunday February 05, 2006 @07:56AM (#14645317) Journal
    It is amazing what is preserved in fossils. Back in 1988 I did serial sectioning of a fossilised brachiopod (Gryphea) and using software I wrote on my BBC micro I digitised the layers and reconstructed them on the computer. Using blue and red filters I was able to show the internal support structures in 3D which was amazing and showed detail previously unknown from traditional serial sectioning. It should never be underestimated what 3D graphics can show that might be otherwise hidden. Of course, traditional serial sectioning is destructive unlike this new technique.

    • Re:Nice (Score:2, Interesting)

      by praedictus ( 61731 )
      The additional fine structure and soft tissue information will probably give us a lot more insight on a lot of the details of evolution. It will be interesting to see this method applied to PreCambrian and early Cambrian (eg Burgess Shale) microfossils. No doubt there will be applications in biostratigraphy as well, such as a finer grained division on index fossils due to differences in the soft tissues not previously apparent.

  • 650 million years??!! (Score:3, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 05, 2006 @08:16AM (#14645356)
    . . .that have been embedded in solid stone for over 650 million years.
    How can that be when we all know that the Earth is only 6000 years old? ;-)

  • non-destructive (Score:5, Interesting)

    by joe 155 ( 937621 ) on Sunday February 05, 2006 @08:25AM (#14645364) Journal
    It's good to see them looking into non-destructive ways of doing this, traditionally if you wanted a 3D image of a fosil you'd have to take out a hammer and try and get it out that way, whilst this isn't too much of a problem in most circumstances; it can be in some. This will help on earth when we have a chance of a rare fosil that we can't risk damaging, enabling us to get a good look before we try anything dangerous, or on mars where fosils might be increasingly fragile or hard to detect.

    • Re:non-destructive (Score:2, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward
      This is NOT non-destructive. For CLSM to work you need a sample thin enough to transmit light through it. That means making your sample into a thin section (ie - grinding away EVERYTHING except a few hundred micron thick slice).

    • Further to the other poster, the non-destructiveness of this sort of scanning is a little overplayed. Most of these sorts of systems, particularly the high resolution ones, dump a lot of energy into their sample which causes bleaching and other destructive effects.

  • can they see gods fingerprints on the fossils? Maybe they better take the images down to the crime labs to run them through the database!

  • What? (Score:1, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward
    3D Microscopy of Fossils Embedded in Solid Rock
    How did the 3D Microscopy of Fossils get embedded in Solid Rock? I guess this proves that 3D Microscopy was around thousands of years ago. Take that, ID fanatics / Evolution fanatics! I'm sure this has grave implications for both sides of the debate...

  • Is this new? (Score:4, Informative)

    by rice0067 ( 220981 ) on Sunday February 05, 2006 @10:28AM (#14645629)
    If they are just trying these techniques now, then paleontologists need to start visiting with other departments. The sciences have evolved so much over they last 20 years that in order to do any real work you have to associate with people outside your discipline.

    Confocal: [olympusmicro.com]

    LSCM has been used for ages outside of biology in quality control for chip manufactures.
    Laser Scanning Confocal Microscopy improves your Z resolution by eliminating light from above and below the plane of focus. This helps in thick biological samples. Usually you can only image up to 300 microns into a sample (sometimes up to 700 depending on objective and wavelength).
    Now, with fossils, I assume that you can only see the very top layer, because light wont penetrate rock that far.

    Raman.
    The Raman effect was described in 1928. However, robust applications in conjunction with microscopy are somewhat new so I would say that this group is not coming on board to late in the game. Raman with microscopy is pretty cool because you can make chemical maps that correlate to images you have taken. See this paper [nih.gov] .

    Anyway , I'm glad to see that they are using some advanced techniques.

    • Re:Is this new? (Score:3, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward
      "If they are just trying these techniques now, then paleontologists need to start visiting with other departments. The sciences have evolved so much over they last 20 years that in order to do any real work you have to associate with people outside your discipline."

      I could make a joke about paleontologists and geologists moving very slowly, but it wouldn't really apply here.

      Actually, this is far from the first work using confocal microscopy on fossils. The article carefully points out that this is the firs
    • If they are just trying these techniques now, then paleontologists need to start visiting with other departments. The sciences have evolved so much over they last 20 years that in order to do any real work you have to associate with people outside your discipline.
      You're missing the point that most fossils are almost opaque.

      Laser Scanning Confocal Microscopy improves your Z resolution by eliminating light from above and below the plane of focus. This helps in thick biological sam

  • Quick Primers (Score:3, Informative)

    by twitter ( 104583 ) on Sunday February 05, 2006 @12:09PM (#14645972) Homepage Journal
    Confocal Microscopy [wikipedia.org] and Raman Spectroscopy [wikipedia.org]. Both have been around for a while and are easy enough to grasp. It's nice to see them used.

  • This new technology's incredible. A few more years development and we won't even have to dig anymore.
    Where's the fun in that?
    Postmortem contraction of the posterior neck ligaments. Velociraptor?
    Yes, good shape too.

  • I was quite amazed when I first stumbled upon this [mit.edu] page. Imagine that, Marvin Minsky himself invented this microscope. He invented this microscope, (co-)founded AI, a whole lot more [mit.edu], and had so many students - including Gerald Sussman himself. We live with some really brilliant people today.

    Sometimes when you wished "I wish I was there when da Vinci did this", or when someone else did that, well, it's happening here today, at faster rates than ever, and we don't even realise it sometimes. We live in inte

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