Remains of First African Slaves Found 392
An anonymous reader writes to tell us LiveScience is reporting that Archaeologists may have found the oldest remains of slaves brought from Africa to the New World. From the article: "The African origin of the slaves was determined by studying a chemical in their tooth enamel that reveals plant and rock types of their native land. The chemical enters the body through the food chain as nutrients pass from bedrock through soil and water to plants and animals. It is an indelible signature of birthplace, the researchers said, because it can be directly linked to the bedrock of specific locales."
Oldest (Score:3, Insightful)
So they know they were African... (Score:5, Insightful)
"not long after Columbus..." (Score:2, Insightful)
100 years is "not long after"? Has the length of the year changed since then or what?
Re:Not... (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:interesting fact (Score:4, Insightful)
in America? (Score:5, Insightful)
I always assumed the first African Slaves were in Africa.
But, maybe that's because they were.
Re:interesting fact (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:interesting fact (Score:3, Insightful)
It's very widely known that the UK had a lot to do with slavery, as did a number of other European nations. The fact that damns the US is that so many people kept slavery going for so much longer than the rest of the world.
The rich Americans were exactly the ones involved though. They were absolutely not unwittingly addicted to slavery, but were instead willing to buy and sell slaves because they made more money by not paying wages. A lot of wealth in the US was founded on slavery, but then robber barons throughout history have been doing more or less the same thing. It's down to morality versus wealth. For some reason these seem mutually exclusive to most of the world's wealthy people.
Re:*cough* (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:*cough* (Score:2, Insightful)
I actually agree with you, partly. Although I am happy to see more science-related issues on Slashdot, comments like yours prove that clearly some nerds here are not intelligent enough to handle them.
Maafa - The American Holocaust (Score:3, Insightful)
Stalin? The Nazis and Khmer Rouge? Small potatoes to these horrors, which continued for almost two-hundred years. The Arab and interneccine slavery of Africans was unjust - but seldom so relentlessly brutal, with human beings reduced to a level of treatment beneath that of animals.
You mistake paper Islam with real Islam. (Score:0, Insightful)
Paper Islam and real Islam are two mutually exculsive things, my naive and sheltered techie.
Re:*cough* (Score:5, Insightful)
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Re:Or about 50 years after the Spanish started com (Score:4, Insightful)
All true, but the fact remains that the indigenous American civilizations went into a sharp (relatively speaking) decline 100-200 years before the Spanish got there. The area was significantly depopulated by Cortes' time; I believe there are several examples of cities whose population size wouldn't be matched again until early 19th century, being virtually deserted, long before any invaders looking for a "New World".
As far as I know, the reasons for this are still unknown - doesn't necessarily make it "mysterious", we just don't have the info.
Re:Aztec colonies (Score:1, Insightful)
When you talk about human sacrifice among aztecs, for fairness sake you should also mention human sacrifice in Spain of that times: Inquisition (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquisition [wikipedia.org]
Re:"not long after Columbus..." (Score:1, Insightful)
If only girls "rejected" me in the same way.
Slavery never was popular in Great Britain, but it was never popular in the northern US either. It was popular in the Southern US and Carribbean, on plantations.
Remind me: How much tobacco, sugar, or cotton does Great Britain produce?
Of course, those plantations were set up and owned by the English (along with the French, Portugese and Spanish). From the 1650s through the early 1800s, the English dominated the slave market. Europeans were very much involved in all aspects of the slave trade, even if you didn't practice it in your own homes.
Re:So they know they were African... (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Stalin, The Nazis ...Small potatoes ??? (Score:3, Insightful)
Look into teh English Civil war, and the Parliamentary terror of England that was birthed in the midlands. Mullah Omar should have had such a run.
These people were ejected for their inability to live withtheir neighbors, or fled accountability after the return of the Monarchy.
This is a gross simplification - but roughly the shape of things. They were egalitarian enough - were you a member of their class, race and creed.
Funny, so few Americans are actually descended from these people that, as children, they are trained to regard as their forebears. Most of the blacks in America can claim a longer association with the country's history than most whites or asians.
Re:I don't think so. (Score:1, Insightful)
It makes me sick that people are smugly patting themselves on their backs for a good job done, oblivious to what's still happening in the world, or even whining about how their ancestors were slaves and they still feel hurt about it. If so, what are you doing to help the current lot? Nothing? Well, I have less sympathy for you then. There's a lot of work still to do.
Re:So they know they were African... (Score:4, Insightful)
Anyway, we're talking an African found in a graveyard in an area known to have been a centre of slaving, at a time when slaving was at a peak. He might not have been a slave, in the same way as the guy you find sat in your car fiddling with the ignition might be the superhero Captain Car-Rescue instead of a car thief. But don't bet on it...
Grab.
The problem with the third world generally (Score:5, Insightful)
So why is the American (and British) system currently so geared to benefiting oligarchs and making things using cheap labor? Why are our education systems increasingly failing? Is it because our leaders are becoming like the backwards oligarchs of the South, interested solely in lining their own pockets to the detriment of our long term prospects?
What makes this especially interesting is the rise in prominence of people like McKain in the US and now Cameron in the UK, who are emphasising traditional middle class values against the corporatism of the respective governments. Time for an educated middle class backlash, perhaps.
Re:So they know they were African... (Score:4, Insightful)
First in the New World, that is (Score:4, Insightful)
But they sure did get a boost in business when Europeans joined the trade!
My, but you're disingenuous. (Score:5, Insightful)
In intelligible form? Sorry, but no European culture goes back "thousands of years". If you go back two thousand, you're at the dawn of Christianity, which bore only a passing resemblance to today's versions. The Romans had switched over to imperial rule. While I can understand how Western culture takes a lot from Romans and Greeks, to imply that we're all part of the same culture is plainly bullshit--we don't do human sacrifice, giant statues of our gods in the town square, gladiator fights, Legions forbidden from coming home, or the divine right of kings. Or humping little boys.
You'd have as much luck fitting into Roman society as you would into a Bantu empire of the same period. Living in Europe may mean you live near some old buildings, but it doesn't mean you live in the same culture that built them.
If you are considering when slavery ceased to be an accepted part of life in the countries which later became the UK, this would have been in the early Middle Ages, around 1100 (not long after the Romans left and the Danes settled, around 800. The Vikings would have been the last group living in England who accepted slavery as a normal condition.
No, those are the dates when enslaving white people became unacceptable. The British were quite involved with African slavery from 1562 until 1803 [wikipedia.org], when they started discouraging it, and 1833 [wikipedia.org], when it was actually abolished by the Brits.
Habeas Corpus, though codified in the Magna Carta (1215), was part of the common law well before this date, and indicates that freedom is the presumed state for any individual who has not been found guilty of a crime. While slavery was formally abolished in the US around 1865, the acceptance of slavery seems to have persisted in the southern states until around 1960.
It's disingenuous for you to compare the time when Brits stopped enslaving fellow whites to the time when Americans ended legal discrimination against blacks.
And also, what persisted in the South until the Civil Rights era wasn't slavery so much as it was Jim Crow--segregation, much like the Apartheid that South Africa had until relatively recently. Racist, certainly--but comparing it to the end of whites-as-slaves in Viking culture? Give me a break.
Re:Wait a minute ... (Score:3, Insightful)
Interesting. But if America was only "a few days to the west" from West Africa, these Mauritanians must have had some really speedy boats. ;-)
My wild guess would be that they were talking about the Cape Verdian Islands. That's a place that could realistically be reached from Africa's West Coast in a couple of days. Brazil would take weeks.
Lincoln was a Republican, Idiot (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Oldest (Score:2, Insightful)
Headline incorrect (Score:1, Insightful)
Sympathy for the white devil (Score:3, Insightful)
My point is that "man is a bad animal" wherever and whenever he is. We'll kill our own kind, crap where we eat, and take more than we need and then use our wonderful rational mind to justify it all.
Re:not so, my friend, not so... (Score:4, Insightful)
The difficulty with this assertion is that human beings cannot be owned, and therefore cannot be property and therefore cannot be capital. This is true regardless of what the law says. The law can say pi is equal to three. But that does not make it so.
I will grant you that slaves can serve in the economic role of capital, just as 3 can serve in the mathematical role of pi. But economies (and circles) built on the basis of such falsehoods will be grossly distorted, and for much the same reaasons.
Re:"not long after Columbus..." (Score:2, Insightful)
It always annoys me when the US is considered one big homogeneous society, either past or present. Slavery was a divisive issue in the US almost from the beginning, crystallizing in a north vs. south divide on the issue. There were many people in the north who were adamantly opposed to the practice and who not only lobbied against it but actively helped escaped slaves from the south to freedom in Canada. The country was so divided on this issue (and some others) that we fought a war over it, almost resulting in the country being split in two.
What is it with Americans?
It's unfair to generalize this way.
America-centric bias (Score:2, Insightful)