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NASA Warns of Cluttered Space 358

Ant wrote to mention a National Geographic article looking at the cluttered nature of Near-Earth Orbit. From the article: "Since the launch of the Soviet Union's Sputnik I satellite in 1957, humans have been generating space junk. The U.S. Space Surveillance Network is currently tracking over 13,000 human-made objects larger than four inches (ten centimeters) in diameter orbiting the Earth. These include both operational spacecraft and debris such as derelict rocket bodies. 'Of the 13,000 objects, over 40 percent came from breakups of both spacecraft and rocket bodies,'Johnson said."
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NASA Warns of Cluttered Space

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  • Human nature? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by JonN ( 895435 ) * on Friday January 20, 2006 @01:47PM (#14520174) Homepage
    This is another example to the classic problem humans have with looking towards the future. I don't need to list more than a few examples such as our own garbage problem, pollution, and a teenager doing drugs that will ruin the rest of his life. Although it is true that it is sometimes hard to predict what will happen, aren't we at an age (including the last 50 years) where we can somewhat guesstimate an end result?

    Currently, and since its conception, the world's space programs have been based on the model that we can just leave shit we don't need in space. Where were the great minds of NASA to say "Wait...what is going to happen with the rocket parts we are leaving out there." We already knew of gravity and orbits, so the idea that perhaps the stuff would just fly away doesn't seem plausible.

    Us as a race, and us as the most influential countries, must look to the future, and I do see improvements, however many issues as well. We do not live in a one generation world, this is a place which we must sustain indefinately (until we find a new host planet of course).

  • by TripMaster Monkey ( 862126 ) * on Friday January 20, 2006 @01:47PM (#14520177)
    ...that's what the Bishop always said...

    The key to solving this problem is to not look on it as a problem at all, but rather, as an opportunity. 'Space junk' is a bit of a misnomer....the only reason it's considered 'junk' is because no one has figured out a way to collect and reuse it. When they do, the name will change to something more along the lines of 'space salvage'.

    Certainly, some types of space salvage (derelict rockets, satellite fragments, etc.) will have a higher value than others (paint flecks, rocket slag, etc.), but even the lowliest dist speck will have value, for the simple reason that it is there. Considerable time, money, and energy was invested is putting all this 'junk' into orbit, and before we blithely start to squander more time, money, and energy deorbiting them, perhaps we should consider the possibility of putting them to use where they are now.
  • by fak3r ( 917687 ) on Friday January 20, 2006 @01:51PM (#14520216) Homepage
    You'd think these things would have been more thought out in the past, but judging by the shortsidedness of the current global warming fun (it was almost 70 in St. Louis yesterday) it isn't surprising. Seeing as how the last space shuttle disaster was caused by something hitting it, you'd think this would be a big risk, but it's a big sky and that's why they're monitoring those things. But hell, it'd keep me awake if I were on the shuttle/space station, most of that 'junk' is likely moving at a good clip, and what about things smaller than 4"? Are these 'rogue' things out there moving faster than a bullet headed towards the delecate skin of a ship? Hope they get it solved before the put the Howard Johnson hotel up there, can't wait for that! ;)
  • by Junior J. Junior III ( 192702 ) on Friday January 20, 2006 @01:52PM (#14520228) Homepage
    Yeah, dude, I'm going to spend $10,000/kg to lift myself up to orbit to go and collect paint chips. They're so valuable, because, like, because they're there, man.

    While I'm up there, I'm sure I won't cause any additional space junk, either.
  • by whawk640 ( 848562 ) on Friday January 20, 2006 @01:59PM (#14520283)
    You might be right TripMaster Monkey, we could probably salvage some of it... My question is, don't we have the technology now for the entity that's tracking this stuff, whether it be NASA or NORAD, can't they just point a big laser at it and give it a boost in orbital altitude and velocity?

    I suppose in near Earth orbit, there's still a lot of the earth's gravity to overcome, but the idea seems feasible to me with some of the headlines I've been reading about improved and miniaturized lazers. Granted you'd have to defocus these strong military beams a bit to avoid vaporizing the junk.

    http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/08/2 4/2013240 [slashdot.org]

    10% of all silly ideas get implemented... 90 % of those are crap, but the other 10% change the world.
  • by Vellmont ( 569020 ) on Friday January 20, 2006 @02:01PM (#14520307) Homepage

    the only reason it's considered 'junk' is because no one has figured out a way to collect and reuse it


    I feel the same way about toxic waste dumps. If someone would just figure out a way to use all that waste, it'd be a goldmine! No need to worry about it leaking toxic waste into groundwater, because surely someone will figure out a way to make a profit from cleaning them up.

    Hoping someone finds a way to re-use what was once considered trash isn't an approach to the problem. How much of this stuff is even worth anything if you could somehow find a cheap way of bringing it back to earth un-damaged?
  • by Locke2005 ( 849178 ) on Friday January 20, 2006 @02:03PM (#14520322)
    If the objects are in near-earth orbit, then at some point it the future their orbits should all decay into the earth's atmosphere, at which point they will incinerate themselves. Sounds like a self-correcting problem to me! The only question is: when? Anybody have any guesses on how long it will take all this junk to deorbit if we just leave it alone?
  • by TripMaster Monkey ( 862126 ) * on Friday January 20, 2006 @02:07PM (#14520350)

    How much of this stuff is even worth anything if you could somehow find a cheap way of bringing it back to earth un-damaged?

    You're misunderstanding me. Currently it costs something on the order of $10,000 per kilogram to get an object into orbit. Even the lowliest of space junk is worth quite a bit, as this cost has already been paid. Bringing it back to earth, even if you could do it for free, would be a monumental waste of money.
  • by hakan2000 ( 945918 ) on Friday January 20, 2006 @02:07PM (#14520353) Homepage
    I'll make a wild guess that, not many people will care about this problem for a loooong while, until a disasterous space accident is caused by space debris. And then there'll be ridiculous attempts to alleviate the problem, such as a 'kyoto protocol' of space debris, which won't be ratified by guess who. Who's with me?
  • Re:ball it up (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Illserve ( 56215 ) on Friday January 20, 2006 @02:08PM (#14520357)
    it's not so easy to collect them.

    The real problem is the wildly different velocities of each different piece. These things are zooming along at bullet speeds, and some weigh more than an SUV. The problem is how one neutralizes these enormous differentials in kinetic energy.

    If you tried to collect them in a ball by catching them, each new piece you intercepted would smack into it, creating 1000 new pieces of debris all with wildly random vectors of their own.

    Perhaps if you had some kind of foamy goop that absorbed the energy... but it has to remain pliable in a frozen vacuum.

  • by Marxist Hacker 42 ( 638312 ) * <seebert42@gmail.com> on Friday January 20, 2006 @02:08PM (#14520362) Homepage Journal
    if you could somehow find a cheap way of bringing it back to earth un-damaged?

    This phrase alone suggests that you failed to understand the concept. The point isn't to find a use for this stuff back on EARTH- but rather to find a use for it where it is, in orbit. Raw material for new rooms on the International Space Station perhaps?
  • by Junior J. Junior III ( 192702 ) on Friday January 20, 2006 @02:16PM (#14520419) Homepage
    You obviously don't understand the problem.

    If it costs $10,000/kg to lift something to LEO, then how are you going to make any money off of salvaging this stuff? How many substances can you name that are worth the $10,000/kg needed to offset the cost of lifting a salvage collector into orbit?

    How is the collector supposed to do its thing up there without having a mishap that will cause even more orbiting debris?

    You can't use magnets to collect everything, it's not all magnetic debris. You can't physically catch stuff, it's too tiny and matching velocities with every little speck in order to capture them is unfeasible. Even if we managed to put up a space elevator to bring down the cost-to-orbit of a salvage collector, you still have a problem of matching vectors with every little piece of debris you want to capture.

    There might be solutions for this problem, but salvaging it is not going to be economically feasible. Not unless you can convince a collector's market that the stuff is worth way more than it actually is, like with baseball cards.

    No, the real value will be in clearing out a safe launch corridor, or providing that as a service -- not in the stuff you bring back.
  • by Bull_UK ( 944763 ) on Friday January 20, 2006 @02:26PM (#14520513) Homepage
    This plug-in [worldwindcentral.com] shows the mess up there quite clearly, and it's only showing a fraction of whats really above our heads
  • by paco3791 ( 786431 ) on Friday January 20, 2006 @02:28PM (#14520538) Journal
    Another axiom proved true.

    "No matter what your interested in, no matter how esoteric you might think it is, there is a magazine about it."
  • by ZachPruckowski ( 918562 ) <zachary.pruckowski@gmail.com> on Friday January 20, 2006 @02:41PM (#14520679)
    If it costs $10k per kg to get something to LEO, all you have to do is find stuff already in LEO that could work, grab it, and put it to use. I'm sure some of the stuff up there has some practical application.
  • by Jivecat ( 836356 ) on Friday January 20, 2006 @03:35PM (#14521179) Homepage
    It's not so much the chance of collision, which is (still) low, but more the fact that every potential collision carries with it a very high probability of causing a Very Bad Day.

    Also, there are a lot of objects up there (spent rocket stages, dead satellites) that stand a good chance of exploding as they age (from leaking hypergolic propellants, etc.), which tends to generate lots and lots of chunks that are too small to track but big enough to cause said VBD.

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