The Skylab-Area 51 Incident 334
IZ Reloaded writes "The Space Review has an interesting story written by Dwayne Day about the 1974 incident when astronauts onboard Skylab took photos of a facility that did not exist in the US called Area 51. From The Space Review: What the memo indicates is that there was a difference between the way the civilian agencies of the US government and the military agencies looked at their roles. NASA had ties to the military, but it was clearly a civilian agency. And although the reasons why NASA officials felt that the photo should be released are unknown, the most likely explanation is that NASA officials did not feel that the civilian agency should conceal any of its activities. Many of NASA's relations with other organizations and foreign governments were based on the assumption that NASA did not engage in spying and did not conceal its activities."
Coral Cache (Score:1, Informative)
Re:Area 51 is not Unidentified (Score:5, Informative)
One small quibble.
Not necessarily 'captured'. We were given several MiG's and Sukoi's in 1990/91 by the German AF, after they merged with the former East German AF.
Re:A Closer Look (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Area 51 is not Unidentified (Score:3, Informative)
While I've heard we were given some MiGs in the past, I also heard this rumor once.
That at once point (probably a while ago) we did "capture" a MiG or whatever. I think it went along the lines that he had to land for mechanical failure or we forced him to land or something.
In any case, what makes the story stand out is that we eventaully sent the MiG back in several boxes (ie, after we'd taken it apart to see what it had).
Any idea if this is true?
Re:Area 51 is not Unidentified (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Area 51 is not Unidentified (Score:3, Informative)
Piffle (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Area 51 is not Unidentified (Score:5, Informative)
Yes, there was a Russian pilot who defected by flying his jet to Japan.
* On 6 September 1976, a Soviet pilot, Lieutenant Viktor Belenko, decided to defect to the West. He flew his aircraft, a Mikoyan "MiG-25" interceptor, from Siberia to Japan. The "Foxbat", as it was known in the West, was one of the most advanced aircraft fielded by the USSR to that time, and it had figured prominently in the nightmares of Western military officials.
http://www.vectorsite.net/avmig25.html [vectorsite.net]
There was also this program that attempt to steal a combat-ready Russian MiG-15 Fighter for one hundred thousand dollars
http://www.psywarrior.com/Moolah.html [psywarrior.com]
The canopy opened, and from the plane stepped a cocky young lieutenant in a blue flying suit. While the American pilots watched in open-mouthed wonder, the Red pilot tore up a photograph of North Korean dictator Kim il-Sung, and handed his pistol to a nearby F-86 pilot in a jeep on the way to the 4th Fighter Interceptor Wing Headquarters. Early reports were that he had torn up a picture of his girlfriend, but North Korean pilots were not allowed to have girlfriends during the war. They were warned that many girls were South Korean spies.
After a few moments of shock, the defector was rushed to intelligence while his MiG Fighter was placed in a well-guarded hangar. The North Korean Lieutenant, No Kum-Sok, explained his motives to the officers assigned to interrogate him.
Re:Timely piece (Score:5, Informative)
Under due process of law of a reasonable government, detention and eavesdropping are fine. We don't have due process of law or a reasonable government at the moment, but yes, that's not an arguement against detention and spying in toto.
Torture, on the other hand, is not only illegal, immoral, a greate recruiting tool for the enemy, and , but it doesn't work as a reliable source of information [cvt.org]. People will say anything to make it stop, tell you what they think you want to hear.
Re:Not as big as some other projects tho... (Score:5, Informative)
The hell they do. [osjspm.org]
Corps do *not* get taxed out the wazoo. The tax burden has been shifting to the individual since the advent of federal income tax.
Re:A Closer Look (Score:5, Informative)
in case you were wondering, 6 inches per pixel, covering about half of the US, requires about 2 petabytes of storage.
Re:A Closer Look (Score:3, Informative)