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Virgin Galactic to Build Space Port in New Mexico 275

aapold writes "Virgin Galactic today announced plans to build a $225 million space port in southern New Mexico. Richard Branson will meet with governor Bill Richardson Wednesday to unveil the plans. Virgin Galactic is the company leveraging Spaceship One which, as reported by Slashdot, claimed the Ansari X prize for commercial space flight."
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Virgin Galactic to Build Space Port in New Mexico

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  • by tpgp ( 48001 ) on Wednesday December 14, 2005 @08:37AM (#14255124) Homepage
    Is it only me, or does anyone else think a space port is better built...in space?

    Yes,

    It is only you.

    At present the only viable way to get into space is using rockets. Therefor we're going to need somewhere for the rockets to take off and land.
  • non-orbital (Score:5, Informative)

    by close_wait ( 697035 ) on Wednesday December 14, 2005 @09:01AM (#14255225)
    For the Nth time: in response to all the inevitable "far cheaper than NASA" posts; this is not an orbital launch - it just goes up to the edge of space, then straight down again. And getting into orbit isn't just going that "little bit extra"; a spacecraft in low earth orbit has about 15 times the potential + kinetic energy of a spacecraft that is at the same height but is just at the top of a vertical up/down loop.
  • Re:Awesome (Score:2, Informative)

    by deltree1010 ( 909548 ) on Wednesday December 14, 2005 @09:10AM (#14255274)
    Apparently they changed their name from Hot Springs in 1950 to that of a popular radio show. "Originally called Hot Springs, it took the name of a popular radio program in 1950, when Truth or Consequences host Ralph Edwards announced that he would do the program from the first town that renamed itself after the show. Ralph Edwards came to the town during the first weekend of May for the next fifty years." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truth_or_Consequences ,_New_Mexico [wikipedia.org]
  • by AnswerIs42 ( 622520 ) on Wednesday December 14, 2005 @09:19AM (#14255312) Homepage
    I lived in Las Cruces, NM for a few years. So let me put it this way...

    noise pollution : No one is going to notice.. well, no HUMAN is going to notice. Between TorC (as everyone calls is) and Las Cruces.. there is a whole lot of NOTHING. Just miles and miles and miles of desert. Well, there are a couple of very small communities if you stay next to the interstate.

    traffic problems : Non issue there is hardly any traffic now.. the road would be a little busier because peopel would have to live in TorC or Las Cruces that is a plus for both cities.

    money that the populace argues would be better spent elsewhere : HAH! I take it you have never seen the area... Go 4 minutes outside the city limits of Las Cruces and you are IN the third world country within the USA. This will pump millions of MUCH NEEDED money into the area.

    They have been waiting 10+ years for this. It is nice to see it finally happening. One section of Las Cruces even split off a few years back (~ '96-'97).. became incorperated and called temselves "spaceport City" because they were dead sure that a spaceport would be built by '99. By late '98 and early '99 they were out of money (they had to make a lot of improvements to fit the terms of becoming a city) and the residents dumped the idea and voted to become a 'burb of Las Cruces again and forget the whole incorperation thing.

  • Ugh. PHB-speak ahoy! (Score:5, Informative)

    by meringuoid ( 568297 ) on Wednesday December 14, 2005 @09:22AM (#14255327)
    Virgin Galactic is the company leveraging Spaceship One which, as reported by Slashdot, claimed the Ansari X prize for commercial space flight.

    Whatever happened to the verb 'to use'? As in 'Virgin Galactic is the company using Spaceship One'.

    Anyone who uses the word 'leverage' in any context where the concept of newton metres is absent, or as a verb in any context at all, deserves to be slapped about the face with a kipper until they're sorry.

  • by CrazyTalk ( 662055 ) on Wednesday December 14, 2005 @09:28AM (#14255347)
    Assuming this is not a troll - do you really want your spaceport built in an area below sea level that is prone to hurricanes? And if you read the article, you would see that having the high altitude in New Mexico was another key factor in keeping launch costs down.
  • Re:Careful there.... (Score:4, Informative)

    by Mike1024 ( 184871 ) on Wednesday December 14, 2005 @09:30AM (#14255355)
    Remember, the CEOs of tech companies failed to constrain costs in the late 1990s, and we know what happened to them. Be very careful in spending. Consider whether this port is absolutly necesssary.

    Of course, Branson [wikipedia.org] is a businessman with a successful track record [wikipedia.org], and his personal fortune of approximately $5,300 million [wikipedia.org] would allow him to absorb the complete failure of this $225 million spaceport (although obviously no-one would want to lose that much money).

    Michael
  • Re:Hmm (Score:4, Informative)

    by Billosaur ( 927319 ) * <<wgrother> <at> <optonline.net>> on Wednesday December 14, 2005 @10:06AM (#14255565) Journal
    Low population density significantly reduces the cost of the space flight program? I guess they're assuming there will be some bourgeois shrapnel flying around.

    Actually, that's correct, from the standpoint of safety. They can't afford to immolate too many people if one of these things crashes or explodes for some reason. The area south of T-or-C and north of Las Cruces is sparsely populated, mostly open area, and is bordered to the east by White Sands, and even further east by Roswell. I'm sure Virgin Galactic is hoping to lure the ET contingent. Anyway, they're trying to keep the insurance rates down.

    NASA originally considered the White Sands area for launching the Apollo Saturn V, but decided it was too dangerous, as one Saturn V carried the destructive power of an atomic bomb. They did do engine testing for the Lunar Module and Service Module there.

    And if you drive north of T-or-C to the small town of San Antonio, you can stop at the Owl Bar and Cafe for the best green chile cheeseburgers in all the world. [end shameless plug]

  • by CmdrGravy ( 645153 ) on Wednesday December 14, 2005 @10:40AM (#14255799) Homepage
    That's correct, Virgin Trains are very good as trains go. I have the choice between catching either Centro Trains or Virgin Trains to Derby everyday and Virgin is clearly a better service.

    Centro: litter everywhere, dirty, run down looking, rude/bored and occasionally abusive ticket collectors, no information at all on delays, connections, no shop, no power points, toilets usually filthy

    Virgin: generally clean - they have a cleaner on every train, toilets OK, on board shop, staff generally polite, friendly and cheerfull looking, good information about delays, transfers, connections etc etc

    Richard Branson said he would introduce High Speed trains and no one really believed him but now they are in service and he has pretty much delivered what he promised he would.
  • Hardly (Score:3, Informative)

    by Ethidium ( 105493 ) <(chia_tek) (at) (yahoo.com)> on Wednesday December 14, 2005 @10:49AM (#14255864) Homepage Journal
    Nasa has sent balloons into high orbit, without mass drivers.

    AND, people at MIT have built mass drivers, and used them on terra firma! And other people have thought about using them on the moon.

    That's what your links say. Oh, and an offhand comment, that "SSI is conducting a feasibility study on the use of an aerostatically supported mass driver for terrestrial launch of bulk payloads." Just that sentence, nothing more.

    The reaction force from the launch would be enormous, though--F=m*a, so take whatever acceleration you impart to the payload, discount it by the fraction of the payload's mass over the platform's mass, and that's the acceleration you impart to the platform. Doesn't sound too bad until you think about an aerostatically supported platform trying to launch things into predictable orbits while oscillating all over the place from the reaction force of the launches.

    Just make it heavier, you say? Bigger energy cost to get it up there in the first place. Bigger problem if it fals. Also, those aerostats aren't going to last forever, so the increased mass will also be an increast maintenence cost. Or, maybe you'd like to put stabilizing thrusters on the platform? What would fuel them? How would you get the fuel up there?

    Who would staff a platform at an altitude of 30 miles? How would you get them up and down? How much would you pay them, given the hazardous nature of the work?

    Also, you want to send the payloads to the platforms on balloons. My understanding is that balloons are great for getting things to high-altitude, so long as the radial coordinate is the ony one you care about. If you want them at a particular spot in the sky (say, your platform), you'd have to use something more manoeuvrable.
  • NM (Score:5, Informative)

    by jbeaupre ( 752124 ) on Wednesday December 14, 2005 @11:36AM (#14256245)
    He's dead on. I grew up in NM and went to school in Cruces. The state loves the strange (go to Sante Fe some day) and the dangerous (Los Alamos, Sandia, White Sands). A space port? It's in the blood. The first liquid fueled rocket by Goddard was launched in Roswell, V2's were tested at White Sands, and in general, people love to launch and blow stuff up. You've got a thousand PhD types blowing the crap out of anything they can get their hands on. If they'd put it on cable, it'd be the top red-neck channel. A friend even got college credit in explosives while working at Sandia. The biggest disappointment for locals will be that the spaceships won't blow up. "Another dud!"

    As for 3rd world, a couple of interesting facts (which might be outdated). NM has the highest school dropout rate and the highest PhD per capita. AND the bordor patrol has a station NORTH of Las Cruces. Putting it south of there would interfer with international commuters.
  • by adamanthaea ( 723150 ) on Wednesday December 14, 2005 @11:49AM (#14256375)
    Agreed. There is practically nothing between TorC and Cruces. Heck, there is practically nothing between Socorro and TorC for that matter. If they had to ditch the craft they could try putting it in one of the lakes instead of the desert. For that matter, there's practically nothing to the east until you get past White Sands to Alamogordo and basically nothing at all in New Mexico to the west and still not much until you cross into Arizona and eventually get to Phoenix. And traffic on I-25? You've gotta be kidding me. You can drive for a long time between Cruces and Albuquerque and have whole sections where the only car you can see on the road is the one you're in. The biggest bottleneck would be that Border Patrol checkpoint north of Cruces and maybe they couldn't easily expand the highway through that S-curve south of TorC and crossing that canyon north of TorC (Nogal?). What's kinda funny is that there have been signs on I-25 for years now at the approximate spot. "Future Site of the New Mexico Spaceport." I just figured it was some local pipe-dream. Still, I'll believe it when I see it. New Mexico has a history of losing companies that started there.
  • by DavidTC ( 10147 ) <slas45dxsvadiv.v ... m ['x.c' in gap]> on Wednesday December 14, 2005 @02:10PM (#14257572) Homepage
    No.

    An X-port is where X connects to the land, where people stop using traditional land vehicles and start using X vehicles. A seaport connect the sea to the land, an airport connects the air to the land, and a spaceport connects space to the land.

    A carport even works this way, although it is where walking people connect to the road system and thus would be better called a roadport.

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