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Is SETI a Security Risk? 527

Dotnaught writes "Richard Carrigan, a particle physicist at the US Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory in Illinois, fears the Search for Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence (SETI) may be putting the earth at risk. As reported in the Guardian, Carrigan frets that alien radio signals could pose a security risk. The report cites a 2003 paper entitled "Do potential Seti signals need to be decontaminated?" but Carrigan's website has more details. Basically, he's calling for isolation of SETI computers and additional security measures. He writes, "To paraphrase Cocconi and Morrison for the possibility of a malevolent SETI signal ...the probability of a contaminated SETI signal is difficult to estimate; but if we never consider it the chance of infection is not zero."" Frankly, I'm more worried about some phishing malcontent then I am about the Grays, but maybe that's just me.
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Is SETI a Security Risk?

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  • Re:Chicken and Egg. (Score:2, Informative)

    by LiquidCoooled ( 634315 ) on Monday November 28, 2005 @10:30AM (#14128534) Homepage Journal
    Ask Will Smith and Jeff Goldblum.
    I get the idea that Steve Jobs might have something to say about it as well.

    To me, the idea that an outside signal can be manipulated and sent in just the right way to overflow our validation network is akin to shakespeare and monkeys.

    However - I can see somebody managing to send dirty packets down to the clients after hacking the SETI central computers (somehow, lots of hand waving etc) to put bad data there which could exploit a seemingly trivial problem with the seti client.

    Not aliens though.
  • by Vo0k ( 760020 ) on Monday November 28, 2005 @10:35AM (#14128576) Journal
    The "malicious signal" may be of earth origin, just send it to the antennas on the right frequency and make it similar enough in shape to the space noise and it will get processed just the same. Or hijack a DNS and post new "work units" with malicious content acting as SETI.
    Thing is you don't need to separate the data, you just need to make the processing software secure, in such a way that data is analysed and never executed, there's no chance of buffer overflow or other potential risks coming from the data. Simple as that.
  • Re:Chicken and Egg. (Score:5, Informative)

    by djmurdoch ( 306849 ) on Monday November 28, 2005 @10:38AM (#14128610)
    The possibility that extraterrestrials will take over SETI is pretty remote, but SETI is still a security risk. In decreasing level of probability, I'd say the risks are:

      - someone could hack the server and send out malicious code with the next software update

      - someone could hack the data stream and inject malicious data into it (assuming there really is such a thing as malicious data, which I find hard to believe).

      - someone terrestrial could broadcast malicious data in such a way that the SETI telescopes pick it up and think that it's ET in origin.

      - an ET could broadcast malicious data, after having picked up a copy of the SETI software and analyzing it.

      - an ET could broadcast malicious data without knowing what the receiver is like (the worry describe in TFA).
  • by Anonymous MadCoe ( 613739 ) <maakiee@NoSpam.yahoo.com> on Monday November 28, 2005 @10:47AM (#14128697) Homepage
    A nice story about this, the false authority syndrome: http://www.vmyths.com/fas/fas1.cfm [vmyths.com]
  • by Xzzy ( 111297 ) <sether@@@tru7h...org> on Monday November 28, 2005 @10:47AM (#14128706) Homepage
    ...completely out of his mind?

    He's a physicist. If you thought the socially inept uber nerd was a dying or dead species, they aren't. Far from it really. Walk around Fermilab's cafeteria at lunch and you can witness some absolutely stunning samples. Even worse are the ones who carry these traits, and think they're far more intelligent than they are. The arrogance these guys can carry is indescribable.

    Yes I'm generalizing, but it's hard not to. For every well adjusted, friendly physicist there's at least one other who thinks himself a living diety.
  • Re:Chicken and Egg. (Score:3, Informative)

    by meringuoid ( 568297 ) on Monday November 28, 2005 @11:02AM (#14128829)
    The possibility that extraterrestrials will take over SETI is pretty remote, but SETI is still a security risk.

    I doubt there's a risk of ET hacking SETI@home and pwning the internet; they'd be working completely blind. The risk from alien signals is one that I think was raised by someone in Contact: what if they hack us?

    Send down a message, prime number sequences and so forth, describe the periodic table, build a scientific vocabulary, the whole SETI thing. Then begin describing plans for a machine. Make it look like a spaceship. When built and switched on: boom!

    A very cheap and efficient means of exterminating potential upstart rivals in the universe. No expensive, slow battlefleet needed, just a trick signal and we do all the work ourselves.

  • Re:Movie-plot threat (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 28, 2005 @11:57AM (#14129385)
    Actually, thats a posting about a nuclear bomb detonating in space. Because really, if an enemy of the US got a hold of a nuclear bomb and wasn't afraid to use it, they'd spend millions strapping it to a giant booster to blow it up in space over our country, instead of just setting it off in New York or something.
  • Re:Chicken and Egg. (Score:3, Informative)

    by Digi-John ( 692918 ) on Monday November 28, 2005 @12:14PM (#14129552) Journal

    "The technology of the signal", eh? Look, a signal is a signal. A radio wave is a radio wave--it is not also magically a sandwich. If we receive something, whatever it does will be done through our technology. If these ETs have something that allows them to view us instantaneously and manipulate matter over here, they won't be worrying about radio signals, and we'll have bigger problems anyway.

    It's okay to think outside the box, just don't think outside of the laws of physics.

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