China to Land on Moon Around 2017 293
smooth wombat writes "China has announced that it plans to land on the moon around the year 2017. They also plan to set up a moon-based astronomical telescope, measure the thickness of the moon's soil as well as the amount of helium-3 on the moon. Helium-3 is regarded by some researchers as the perfect non-polluting fuel source. China's first lunar orbiter could blast off as early as 2007, coinciding with its third manned space trip in which possibly three men would orbit Earth in Shenzhou VII and conduct a space walk."
Taking Their Sweet Time (Score:2, Insightful)
"China has announced that it plans to land on the moon around the year 2017.
10 years to landon the moon?!?!? How many cows do they have tied up to the booster housing?
I could see 3 to 5 years, but this isn't exactly new rocket science [bursarvixen.com], is it? Is there some matter of the Russians and Americans not sharing with them, or are the Chinese just so proud they want to do it all themselves?
The United States unveiled a $104 billion plan in September to return Americans to the moon by 2018.
I fully don't understand that. NASA already knows how to do it. Why the foot dragging? They got to the Moon practically at Warp Speed compared to this mission. It's a sad day to learn all my Sci-Fi books [amazon.com] will be further wrong on projections of lunar colonies, etc.
China was designing a rocket that could carry a payload of 25 tons, up from a present limit of eight tons, the Beijing News reported this week, though it would unlikely be ready for another six-and-a-half years.
Time to chuck the abacus and get some computers in those hands.
They should land just in time for the 100th Starbucks opening.
Not He-3 again! (Score:4, Insightful)
Exactly how much better than the usual DT mix would this stuff have to be to make it worth the expense of getting it and bringing it back?
Chinese rail guns on the Moon. (Score:5, Insightful)
And leaving their enemies radiation free.
Re:Taking Their Sweet Time (Score:2, Insightful)
These aren't cavemen. Their economy is growing at a blistering rate and they're graduating plenty of engineers through domestic and foreign universities. They don't need to get a bunch of old V2 rockets and figure out how it's done.
Moreover, the fact that "we already know how to do it" doesn't mean we don't have to design and build entirely new vehicles. After all, engineering and software are light-years ahead of where they were when we first landed on the moon; are you suggesting we take the old 16-bit Apollo computers out of mothballs and re-use them?
Haven't you seen that these are exactly the plans NASA are considering? Going back to the Saturn V as a basis for all space missions. The Russians have it running so regular it's becoming a bus service for rich tourists. You don't advance one item of technology at a time, such as the old computers, but have all the bits worked on by various companies or universities or even at NASA. This isn't new stuff and much has been gleened from experience.
Re:Not He-3 again! (Score:4, Insightful)
First you have to know how abundantly you can get a fuel before you start using all of it. It'd be stupid to work on a fusion reactor that burns He-3 when it would just run out of fuel when we stopped being able to get ahold of the stuff...
you know... like coal, and gasoline.
Re:Chinese rail guns on the Moon. (Score:4, Insightful)
At first I was trying to get the joke. Then I realized, it's an incredibly brilliant insightful remark - joking or not. The Chinese have a much longer view than we Westerners. They are on their way to becoming a Superpower and they know it. What I'm concerned about is this and subsequent administration's (US) take on this. Hopefully this may mean a new interest in space exploration and NASA?
If so: Whoo hooo!
Re:Territorial claims? (Score:4, Insightful)
All Your Resource Base Are Belong to Us (Score:2, Insightful)
We've had this discussion before. It takes MASSIVE amounts of raw material to harvest Helium-3, so much so that we're effectvely talking about strip-mining the moon. Me thinks that a LOT of people are going to be opposed to turning the face of the moon into one huge resource operation. Of course, you could try the darkside and mess it up to your heart's content, but that'll create huge logistics problems beyond just strip mining the moon.
Sorry, but just don't see this as anything more than 'moon propaganda' on the part of whowever brings it, not just China. Of course, i tend to take their claims with a grain of salt anyway, but...
Proving something? Anything? (Score:3, Insightful)
China has been a world power for -let me see- all known history, and is chinese first and anything else a distant second. They are a pragmatic people, move with slow but sure steps. I certainly hope this move of theirs will have more real tangible benefit to humankind, and not just for political bravado.
Re:Not He-3 again! (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Mine the moon screw up the environment (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:All Your Resource Base Are Belong to Us (Score:3, Insightful)
Look, I'm greener than most but unless there's life on luna, I have
no problem mining it for He3. Of course, lunar based PV would be a
better power system.
Re:All Your Resource Base Are Belong to Us (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Vapor hardware (Score:3, Insightful)
You could have said the same about the United States when Kennedy said we would land a man on the moon before the end of the decade back in 1961. We had a nine year deadline (well eight-and-a-half, I suppose). The Chinese have set themselves a 12 year deadline. I'm sure that, with those extra few years, they can figure out how to build a better lunar lander than what we built in 1969.
lunar self-determination (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Proving something? Anything? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:We'll build more nukes. (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:China is NOT party to that treaty... (Score:1, Insightful)
And the US can always point to NAFTA as an example of "but we had our fingers crossed". The only way a treaty with the US is going to have any impact is if you wrap it around a brick.
Re:Asians in Space. (Score:1, Insightful)