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Posted by Zonk on Friday October 28 2005, @01:42PM
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mmoyer writes "Popular Science just published their annual rankings of the worst jobs in science. Highlights of this year's list include a human lab rat, orangutan pee collector, and, surprisingly, a NASA ballerina. Think your science job belongs on the list? You can nominate your job as well. Slashdot also covered the worst jobs in science in 2004 and in 2003."
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  • by ackthpt (218170) * on Friday October 28 2005, @01:43PM (#13898609) Homepage Journal

    6. Volcanologist When the earth heats up, they head in

    Volcanologist? Can't take the heat, get out of the crater? Sounds like a dream job, just get my Indiana Jones get-up on and grow a good 5 o'clock shadow and the babes will be swarming like deerflies! w00. "Danger is my middle name. Unfortunately my first name is Melvin and my last name is Blortman."

    3. Kansas Biology Teacher On the front lines of science's devolution

    *snort* This has initiated so many flame-wars on USENET lately, yeah, that's gotta suck having to face extremists and dum-dum board members. The irony is 'Intelligent Design' is an Evolution of Creationism :)

    2. Manure Inspector The smell is just the start of the nastiness

    Reminds me of Farley Mowat in his cabin in Never Cry Wolf. All those wolf turds and then the water came in...

    1. Human Lab Rat Must read slashdot for research lab. aaiiiieeeee!!!

    • "3. Kansas Biology Teacher On the front lines of science's devolution

      *snort* This has initiated so many flame-wars on USENET lately, yeah, that's gotta suck having to face extremists and dum-dum board members. The irony is 'Intelligent Design' is an Evolution of Creationism :)"

      What ever happened to the good ol' days when a teacher was apethic towards their job? They just went in, did whatever the board told 'em to, and used the Nuremberg defence to ease any ethical issues. Or was that prozac?

      I want to ret
        • On that note, how easy would it be to score 100% on the Intelligent Design tests?

          Question 1: Identify and describe the method in which humans obtained stereoscopic sight.

          a) With binoculars.
          b) God, the designer himself.
          c) Crazy Theory of Evolution.
          d) All of the above.

          Question 2: Identify and describe the method in which humans obtained opposable thumbs.

          a) Double jointed.
          b) God, the designer himself.
          c) Crazy Theory of Evolution.
          d) None of the above.
    • by Anonymous Coward
      whoah, people still talk on usenet?

      here i thought it was all binaries!
  • by conJunk (779958) on Friday October 28 2005, @01:43PM (#13898611)

    Ha! Great story.

    A few years back, I knew a fellow (he had the unfortunate name of Willie Williams) who'd been involved in the re-introduction of pergrine falcons to the canyon lands of south texas [peregrinefund.org]. The problem was that the birds wouldn't breed in captivity. The answer: artificial insemination.

    This dude's job was to collect the sperm from the male falcons. He'd go in to their enclosures wearing a special hat [si.edu] with a very-anatomically-correct model of a female falcon on it.

  • Wow (Score:5, Funny)

    by jandrese (485) * <kensama@vt.edu> on Friday October 28 2005, @01:43PM (#13898613) Homepage Journal
    Have you watched the NASA ballerina video yet? It's hot.
    • Re:Wow (Score:5, Informative)

      by anandpur (303114) on Friday October 28 2005, @01:49PM (#13898666)
      NASA Ballerina link if www.popsci.com give up

      http://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/mpeg/115084mai n_ballerina.mpeg [nasa.gov]
    • Before you look it up, you should know it shows a half naked woman writhing around what looks like an enormous yellow penis. You couldn't make it up. But what the heck? The researcher has just got more publicity than he probably ever imagined. And his next funding offer might come from highly unexpected sources - the sort of people who need huge server farms and wide pipes to, ah, service their clients.
    • Re:Wow (Score:5, Funny)

      by frank_adrian314159 (469671) on Friday October 28 2005, @02:11PM (#13898838) Homepage
      It's hot.

      Yeah! And the ballerina ain't bad, either!

    • So, if she would have encircled the "sensor" with her arms and moved them from the base to the tip, would it have jerked back and forth rapidly? Aside from the obvious imagry, I'm guessing the result would have been about what we expect. It was clearly a bit "confused" and the motions erratic (two "r"s and an "a", keep your mind out of the gutter) is serveral areas where the dancer was close to multiple sensor areas.

      It is quite difficult to believe that the scientist didn't manage to see the problem with t
  • by krelyk (909912) on Friday October 28 2005, @01:45PM (#13898623)
    I nominate this dude for the worst job in the world - the guy that replies 'yes' to verizon's (tm) 'can you hear me now?'
    movie url -
    http://www.compfused.com/directlink/950 [compfused.com]
  • by LeonGeeste (917243) * on Friday October 28 2005, @01:46PM (#13898638) Journal
    (would have said evolutionists there, but that would have started a tangential flame war).

    This is a quote from the "Kansas Biology Teacher" article:

    "At the heart of ID is the idea that certain elements of the natural world--the human eye, say--are "irreducibly complex" and have not and cannot be explained by evolutionary theory. Therefore, IDers say, they must be the work of an intelligent designer (that is, God).

    The problem for teachers is that ID can't be tested using the scientific method, the system of making, testing and retesting hypotheses that is the bedrock of science."

    Now, if someone tells you that the eye cannot be explained through evolutionary mechanisms, do you respond that, well, ID can't be tested through the scientific method, so you're wrong? Because that's exactly what this article makes it sound like. If there's a response to the argument that the eye could not have arisen through the incremental changes posited by evolutionary theory, this article sure doesn't give it.

    Is there a response? What incremental, random changes produced an eye such that each step conferred an evolutionary advantage? Or did it happen all at once? Can scientists reconstruct the formation for an eye through an accidental interference with the DNA? And, most importantly, does even asking these questions imply that I'm an anti-science ignorant hick?
    • by bowronch (56911) <slashdot@bowron.us> on Friday October 28 2005, @01:51PM (#13898682) Homepage Journal
      From http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/01/1/l_0 11_01.html [pbs.org]

      Evolution of the Eye:

      When evolution skeptics want to attack Darwin's theory, they often point to the human eye. How could something so complex, they argue, have developed through random mutations and natural selection, even over millions of years?

      If evolution occurs through gradations, the critics say, how could it have created the separate parts of the eye -- the lens, the retina, the pupil, and so forth -- since none of these structures by themselves would make vision possible? In other words, what good is five percent of an eye?

      Darwin acknowledged from the start that the eye would be a difficult case for his new theory to explain. Difficult, but not impossible. Scientists have come up with scenarios through which the first eye-like structure, a light-sensitive pigmented spot on the skin, could have gone through changes and complexities to form the human eye, with its many parts and astounding abilities.

      Through natural selection, different types of eyes have emerged in evolutionary history -- and the human eye isn't even the best one, from some standpoints. Because blood vessels run across the surface of the retina instead of beneath it, it's easy for the vessels to proliferate or leak and impair vision. So, the evolution theorists say, the anti-evolution argument that life was created by an "intelligent designer" doesn't hold water: If God or some other omnipotent force was responsible for the human eye, it was something of a botched design.

      Bilogists use the range of less complex light sensitive structures that exist in living species today to hypothesize the various evolutionary stages eyes may have gone through.

      Here's how some scientists think some eyes may have evolved: The simple light-sensitive spot on the skin of some ancestral creature gave it some tiny survival advantage, perhaps allowing it to evade a predator. Random changes then created a depression in the light-sensitive patch, a deepening pit that made "vision" a little sharper. At the same time, the pit's opening gradually narrowed, so light entered through a small aperture, like a pinhole camera.

      Every change had to confer a survival advantage, no matter how slight. Eventually, the light-sensitive spot evolved into a retina, the layer of cells and pigment at the back of the human eye. Over time a lens formed at the front of the eye. It could have arisen as a double-layered transparent tissue containing increasing amounts of liquid that gave it the convex curvature of the human eye.

      In fact, eyes corresponding to every stage in this sequence have been found in existing living species. The existence of this range of less complex light-sensitive structures supports scientists' hypotheses about how complex eyes like ours could evolve. The first animals with anything resembling an eye lived about 550 million years ago. And, according to one scientist's calculations, only 364,000 years would have been needed for a camera-like eye to evolve from a light-sensitive patch.
      • Mod mistake here! (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Karma_fucker_sucker (898393) on Friday October 28 2005, @02:05PM (#13898803)
        I read the parent three times and I can't fathom why it was mod'ed as "Troll". I found it to be quite informative and helpful for me when I have to deal with the ID folks.

        This country (US) is drifting more and more away from science and more towards superstition (It's not only the ID folks, there's other equally unscientific view too) and magical thinking. We're headed for trouble economically, culturally, and politically if we don't stop this nonsense.

        • I read the parent three times and I can't fathom why it was mod'ed as "Troll". I found it to be quite informative and helpful for me when I have to deal with the ID folks.

          There are creationists here who I think go looking for articles that criticize creationism/ID and rate them Troll. A while back, I wrote a testy but not uninformative article that got the same treatment:

          http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=70547&cid=6407 629 [slashdot.org]

          I admit I was kind of pissy when I wrote it, but it wasn't a troll. It had good
      • Every change had to confer a survival advantage, no matter how slight.

        I'd be careful with this point, because it is not as simple as it first sounds. A change should, but does not have to, confer an advantage. It could be a neutral move, with no selection for or against it. However, these neutral moves could result in the availability of new potential advantages. So, when arguing the point, it is not the thinner openings were greater than the larger openings, but rather they were at least as efficient for
      • Every change had to confer a survival advantage, no matter how slight.

        This is a common misconception about evolution. The only thing "necessary" is for the organism displaying the trait to reproduce. Nothing else. The trait can confer absolutely no advantage, and even cause disadvantage, as long as enough organisms with the genes for that trait reproduce. The trait need not even be expressed, as long as a gene that creates it is passed on. (Big example: recessive genes.)

        So, to recap, every change did no
      • by elmartinos (228710) on Friday October 28 2005, @04:15PM (#13899952) Homepage
        Here [blogspot.com] I present you The only debate on Intelligent Design that is worthy of its subject

        Moderator: We're here today to debate the hot new topic, evolution versus Intelligent Des---

        (Scientist pulls out baseball bat.)

        Moderator: Hey, what are you doing?

        (Scientist breaks Intelligent Design advocate's kneecap.)

        Intelligent Design advocate: YEAAARRRRGGGHHHH! YOU BROKE MY KNEECAP!

        Scientist: Perhaps it only appears that I broke your kneecap. Certainly, all the evidence points to the hypothesis I broke your kneecap. For example, your kneecap is broken; it appears to be a fresh wound; and I am holding a baseball bat, which is spattered with your blood. However, a mere preponderance of evidence doesn't mean anything. Perhaps your
        kneecap was designed that way. Certainly, there are some features of the current situation that are inexplicable according to the "naturalistic" explanation you have just advanced, such as the exact contours of the excruciating pain that you are experiencing right now.

        Intelligent Design advocate: AAAAH! THE PAIN!

        Scientist: Frankly, I personally find it completely implausible that the random actions of a scientist such as myself could cause pain of this particular kind. I have no precise explanation for why I find this hypothesis implausible --- it just is. Your knee must have been designed that way!

        Intelligent Design advocate: YOU BASTARD! YOU KNOW YOU DID IT!

        Scientist: I surely do not. How can we know anything for certain? Frankly, I think we should expose people to all points of view. Furthermore, you should really re-examine whether your hypothesis is scientific at all: the breaking of your kneecap happened in the past, so we can't rewind and run it over again, like a laboratory experiment. Even if we could, it wouldn't prove that I broke your kneecap the previous time. Plus, let's not even get into the fact that the entire universe might have just popped into existence right before I said this
        sentence, with all the evidence of my alleged kneecap-breaking already pre-formed.

        Intelligent Design advocate: That's a load of bullshit sophistry! Get me a doctor and a lawyer, not necessarily in that order, and we'll see how that plays in court!

        Scientist (turning to audience): And so we see, ladies and gentlemen, when push comes to shove, advocates of Intelligent Design do not actually believe any of the arguments that they profess to believe. When it comes to matters that hit home, they prefer evidence, the scientific method, testable hypotheses, and naturalistic explanations. In fact, they strongly privilege naturalistic explanations over supernatural hocus-pocus or metaphysical wankery. It is only within the reality-distortion field of their ideological crusade that they give credence to the flimsy, ridiculous arguments which we so commonly see on display. I must confess, it kind of felt good, for once, to be the one spouting free-form bullshit; it's so terribly easy and relaxing, compared to marshaling rigorous arguments backed up by empirical
        evidence. But I fear that if I were to continue, then it would be habit-forming, and bad for my soul. Therefore, I bid you adieu.
        • by dgatwood (11270) on Friday October 28 2005, @02:39PM (#13899044) Journal

          If so, I'd like an example-- because I've never heard of a creature with a deep, light-sensitive pit in its body.

          Google search terms: "light-sensitive pit bacteria".
          First entry: http://www.corante.com/loom/archives/2005/02/15/ey es_part_one_opening_up_the_russian_doll.php [corante.com]

          The closest invertebrate relatives of vertebrates fit nicely into Darwin's predictions. Amphioxus, which looks like a sardine with its head cut off, lacks a true brain or camera eyes. But the front end of its nerve cord is slightly swollen, and is built by many of the same genes that build a human brain. What's more, they grow a pit lined with light-sensitive cells which they seem to use to navigate through the water. The genes that build this pit are nearly identical to the ones that build our own.

          The fact that Aphioxus has such a simple precursor to the vertebrate eye might suggest that this organ evolved from scratch. Yet eyes can be found on many other animals--which was how Darwin first figured out what a precursor to the vertebrate eye might have looked like. Eyes can found in insects, squid, and many other animals. Did they evolve independently?

          Next?

        • If so, I'd like an example-- because I've never heard of a creature with a deep, light-sensitive pit in its body.

          The example that comes immediately to mind are the heat-sensitive "pits" found on pit-vipers and pythons. They detect infra-red light in almost this exact way.

        • by Zathrus (232140) on Friday October 28 2005, @02:43PM (#13899084) Homepage
          Being as most creatures don't come with light-emitting organs as standard equipment, this speculation falls short of an explanation.

          Ah, so being able to see the shadow of a predator wouldn't be advantageous? Or, inversely, the shadow of prey?

          Although, frankly, the more likely explanation is that the organism wasn't trying to avoid a predator, it was trying to increase its energy intake by moving toward the light (or, in the case of a predator, move to an area that's more likely to have prey because of the light). We know cyanobacteria have been around for billions of years and they can do this.

          No, just narrower. A disadvantage, like tunnel vision.

          Um, no. Being able to refine your visual capabilities is generally an advantage. The previous mutation just said "light/dark". Now you can say "light/dark in THAT direction". You don't think that's an advantage?

          Oh, and tunnel vision isn't necessarily a disadvantage. In humans it literally focuses your vision on the threat at hand (and yes, I've had it before). In other animals, such as birds of prey, it's an evolutionary advantage that allows them to concentrate on finding and killing prey.
        • Surely you must be trolling....

          Only if the predator has a FRICKIN LASER BEAM on its head! Being as most creatures don't come with light-emitting organs as standard equipment, this speculation falls short of an explanation. Maybe there were large populations of electroluminescent bacteria a hojillion years ago.

          Iguanas have a rudimentery third eye on the top of their head. It can sense changes to light and not much else. It's also known as parietal eye [greenigsociety.org]. This is pretty basic stuff. Didn't you pay at
        • If so, I'd like an example-- because I've never heard of a creature with a deep, light-sensitive pit in its body.

          Don't know about light sensisive, but pit vipers have heat sensitive pits. (Heat being another form of electromagnetic energy...) These pits tell the snake about direction and intensity of a heat source.
    • Its not falsifiable, you can never prove it wrong, its faith. You cant PROVE it either.

      The fact that you cannot prove something, does not make another thing you cannot prove true.

      Evolution deals more in generalities, it is postulated that humans evolved through a series of events because genetics and bones etc... help us come to that conclusion.

      How evolution created the eye, or even a cell for that matter, is still a part of the mystery, and if someone could make an example cell from parts then that would
    • by idlake (850372) on Friday October 28 2005, @02:11PM (#13898843)
      Is there a response? What incremental, random changes produced an eye such that each step conferred an evolutionary advantage?

      It's well understood; the progression is roughly: light sensitive cell, opaque pigment in back, retreat into concavity, formation of pinhole camera, transparent covering, fixed lens, adaptable lens. Each of those has distinct and individual evolutionary advantages, sometimes related to improved predator evasion and sometimes merely related to improved protection of the existing structure. It seems to have happened several times in evolution, so it's not even anything unusual; if we ever encounter aliens, they probably have eyes, too.

      The problem for teachers is that ID can't be tested using the scientific method, the system of making, testing and retesting hypotheses that is the bedrock of science.

      That's false. ID can be tested (in the same way astronomy can be), and the answer is: there is not a shred of evidence to support ID. Every single test of evolution has come down on the side of evolution (mutation and selection) and against intelligent design (interference of an intelligent agent in the development of different life forms on earth). ID has the form of a scientific theory, but it happens to be an incorrect scientific theory according to overwhelming evidence.
  • by Pichu0102 (916292) <pichu0102@gmail.com> on Friday October 28 2005, @01:47PM (#13898644) Journal
    A NASA ballerina? Looks like our tax dollars are going to work in the right places!
  • I'm an Intel Engineer. How's that?
  • by It doesn't come easy (695416) * on Friday October 28 2005, @01:57PM (#13898731) Journal
    1. Human Lab Rat [...] Dudes, I was in a double-blind Viagra trial! And I got paid!

    I would have thought the emphasis would have been on laid ...
  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 28 2005, @01:59PM (#13898743)
    and i find my placement in this poll to be very insulting. it is a job which is rewarding on MANY LEVELS, both personal and professional!
  • I'd hate to be the guy who gets bitten by mosquitos for some photo or research purposes.
  • <Troll>
    Q: Name the worst jobs in science ?
    Little Bill: Steve Jobs ?!
    </Troll>
  • by forand (530402) on Friday October 28 2005, @02:12PM (#13898850) Homepage
    Almost every one of the top 10 has one thing in common, if there is an even crappier aspect of the job it is being done by the grad student on the project!

    I just want recognition for something! I will have to be happy with getting my Phd if I can't get on the crappiest job list.
  • true story (Score:5, Interesting)

    by nanojath (265940) on Friday October 28 2005, @02:18PM (#13898893) Homepage Journal
    every time they run this thing, it takes me back to this crap job I had years ago entering data from documentation in huge class action court cases into searchable databases for teams of attorneys. Lab results from animal fertility experiments crossed my desk and I must have looked at the phrase a dozen times before it occured to me what it meant to extract semen from dogs via "digital manipulation."
    • One of my friends does this job with cows. She once shared with me the story of the time she got back from lunch and was shoulder-deep before she realized she'd forgotten to put back on her glove. That was one shirt she never wore again...
  • Continental Drift? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by mr100percent (57156) * on Friday October 28 2005, @02:42PM (#13899067) Homepage Journal
    First, a history lesson. In 1999 a group of religious fundamentalists won election to the Kansas State Board of Education and tried to introduce creationism into the state's classrooms. They wanted to delete references to radiocarbon dating, continental drift and the fossil record from the education standards. In 2001 more-temperate forces prevailed in elections, but the anti-evolutionists garnered a 6-4 majority again last November.

    Radiocarbon dating and fossils, I suppose they thought it contradicted the bible. Continental Drift? Who would dispute that?

    • by Control Group (105494) on Friday October 28 2005, @02:56PM (#13899192) Homepage
      Anybody who wants to cling to a young earth [creationists.org].

      Continental drift, after all, presupposes a time line about four orders of magnitude greater than that of young earth "theory." Hence, if you believe continental drift, you have a very hard time simultaneously buying into young earth.
  • by Animats (122034) on Friday October 28 2005, @02:44PM (#13899096) Homepage
    Ballerina? She moves more like a modern dancer.

    Actually, that's not a bad dance job. Pay, benefits, reasonable hours. Ask any working dancer. It's a tough life, and you burn out young. At the higher levels, the injury rate is very high. New York City Ballet used to have the highest workmens's compensation premium in the state.

    The "robot touch avoidance" demo has been done before, several times, both with mechanical switches and a short-range microwave system. The IR distance measurement system came from a Stanford project in the 1970s.

  • by lasmith05 (578697) on Friday October 28 2005, @02:48PM (#13899131) Homepage
    Animal Sperm Collector: http://www.talkingcock.com/html/article.php?sid=22 5 [talkingcock.com] Choice Quote: "I never thought I'd be giving an orangutan a hand job every morning," he said somewhat ruefully. "And Ah Meng is the worst. He expects to be kissed first."
    • If you work at a company that releases code that is knowingly "broken", the problem is in management and has nothing to do with either the developers or QA.

      Additionally, if you don't have the say to fail a release that has critical and known errors, it is time to find a job with a company that actually knows what they are doing.

A lot of people I know believe in positive thinking, and so do I. I believe everything positively stinks. -- Lew Col