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Commission Suggests UK Should End Astronaut Ban 233

An anonymous reader writes "According to the BBC a British scientific panel has recommended that the British Government should end its ban on human space flight. The Royal Astronomical Society (RAS) Commission pursued a 9-month investigation into 'The Scientific Case for Human Space Flight'. Professor Frank Close, Chair of the Commission, said, 'We commenced this study without preconceived views and with no formal connection to planetary exploration. Our personal backgrounds made us lean towards an initial skepticism on the scientific value of human involvement in such research.' The commission concluded that 'profound scientific questions relating to the history of the solar system and the existence of life beyond Earth can best - perhaps only - be achieved by human exploration on the Moon or Mars, supported by appropriate automated systems.'"
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Commission Suggests UK Should End Astronaut Ban

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  • Re:ehhh.... (Score:5, Informative)

    by QuantumG ( 50515 ) <qg@biodome.org> on Wednesday October 19, 2005 @04:39AM (#13824815) Homepage Journal
    Because it was considered by just about every scientist alive at the time of Apollo that there was absolutely no scientific value in sending a man to the Moon. Not just British scientists but Americian scientists too held this opinion. Many still hold this opinion today.
  • Re:WTF? (Score:5, Informative)

    by QuantumG ( 50515 ) <qg@biodome.org> on Wednesday October 19, 2005 @04:45AM (#13824830) Homepage Journal
    What's hard to understand? There was a ban placed on the use of public funds to do manned space exploration because it was considered a waste of money by the scientific community. When you consider how much money is wasted on the ISS every year you gotta appreciate they may have a point.
  • Clarification (Score:3, Informative)

    by arethuza ( 737069 ) on Wednesday October 19, 2005 @04:47AM (#13824836)
    Note that this was a ban on the UK government paying for an astronaut, not on there being a UK astronaut!

    I have to admit, I can see their point!

  • by RocketGeek ( 566822 ) on Wednesday October 19, 2005 @06:05AM (#13825046) Homepage
    Actually, it was as more than a case of any projects/research not being funded, it was as good as banned.

    Sorry, your comments are wrong.

    There was, and still is, for instance, an active policy "against" space launch technology in the UK, which has been in place since the days of Blue Streak. Partly due to having 650 or so mainly arts graduates sitting in a large debating chamber and not understanding why we are consistently throwing away technological opportunities, partly due to pressure in the past from our supposed partner the other side of the pond leaning on us to drop launch technology and use theirs (shades of other programmes such as TSR2 and Skybolt), and partly due to an active dislike of space within Whitehall, and a major and irrational dislike against launch technology and manned space.

    I have been in space meetings in the UK where government representatives have said do not under any circumstances mention anything to do with manned space. To which my response is to give them the finger. To say they have wasted a generation's talents which could have been used on space technology in the UK would be an understatement. They've wasted at least 2 generations.

    The whole HOTOL, and later SKYLON lack of support from the UK government, and lack of participation in FESTIP is yet another example of this myopic, and moronic attitude by some faceless bureaucrats in Whitehall. An attitude that they have passed on down the years.

    So yes, banned is an appropriate word for manned involvement in space and the UK government.

  • by CdXiminez ( 807199 ) on Wednesday October 19, 2005 @06:16AM (#13825072)
    There has been one British astronaut flying under a UK flag, Helen Sharman [astronautix.com], on a Soyuz, in 1991.
  • by FleaPlus ( 6935 ) on Wednesday October 19, 2005 @07:03AM (#13825189) Journal
    The article didn't seem to have a link to the actual report, and judging by the comments I've seen so far, nobody here's read it yet. The RAS's report can be found here:

    http://www.ras.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content &task=view&id=847&Itemid=1 [ras.org.uk]

    Here's a portion of the summary....

    The main conclusions of the RAS report are as follows:

    * The essential scientific case for Human Space Exploration is based on investigations on the Moon and Mars. There are three key scientific challenges where direct human involvement will be necessary for a timely and successful outcome:

    - Mapping the history of the solar system (including the young Earth) and the evolution of our Sun by studying the unique signatures left on and beneath the lunar surface;
    - The search for life on Mars;
    - Detailed, planet-wide exploration of Mars.

    * Scientific missions to the Moon and Mars will address questions of profound interest to the human race. These include: the origins and history of the solar system; whether life is unique to Earth; and how life on Earth began. If our close neighbour, Mars, is found to be devoid of life, important lessons may be learned regarding the future of our own planet.

    * While the exploration of the Moon and Mars can and is being addressed by unmanned missions, the capabilities of robotic spacecraft will fall well short of those of human explorers for the foreseeable future.

    * Assuming a human presence, the Moon offers an excellent site for astronomy, with the far-side and polar regions of the Moon being shielded from the 'pollution' from Earth.
    * Medical science will benefit from studying the human physiological response to low and zero gravity, to the effects of radiation and in the psychological challenge posed by a long-duration mission to Mars.

    * There appear to be no fundamental technological barriers to sending humans to the Moon or Mars.

    * A major international human space exploration programme involving a return to the Moon and the longer term aim of sending humans to Mars is likely to involve the US, Europe, Russia and Japan. There are also growing ambitions in China and India. Under present government policy the UK would not be involved and would look increasingly isolated.

    * The cost of the UK playing a full role in an international human space exploration programme to explore the Moon and Mars could be of the order £150M per year, sustained over 20-25 years. It is not realistic for the bulk of this to be taken from the existing Government-funded science budget. Rather, a decision to be involved should be taken on the basis of broader strategic reasoning that would include commercial, educational, social, and political arguments as well as the scientific returns that would follow.

    * There is compelling evidence that the outreach potential for human space exploration can be a strong positive influence on the interests and educational choices of children.
    * Involvement in technologically advanced exploration of the solar system will provide a high profile challenge for UK industry, with consequent benefits in recruitment of new engineers and scientists. Evidence from NASA and ESA surveys have shown a significant economic multiplier from investment in space projects, with an additional overall gain in competitiveness.
  • Re:European ONION (Score:2, Informative)

    by mike2R ( 721965 ) on Wednesday October 19, 2005 @09:40AM (#13825996)
    I'm pretty sure you've got that backward. France had previously sold Exocet to Argentina, when the war broke out they provided us with inteligence to help sabotage them - see this artical: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=%2F news%2F2002%2F03%2F13%2Fnot13.xml [telegraph.co.uk]

    Given that this can't have helped France's reputation as an arms manufacturer, we owe them a large favour.
  • Incorrect (Score:2, Informative)

    by NereusRen ( 811533 ) on Wednesday October 19, 2005 @10:37AM (#13826451)
    Not only can you have tea, but you can drink (eat?) it with chopsticks! [nasa.gov]

Suggest you just sit there and wait till life gets easier.

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