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Carmack's Throatless Rocket Engine 351

Baldrson writes "John Carmack is working a potentially disruptive technology: A throatless rocket engine. Its made from plain aluminum pipes with few machined fittings. Carmack says: "The great thing about these engines is that it only takes me two nights to machine the parts, so we can test two engines a week if necessary." It scales too: "If this line of tube engine development works out, we can make a 5,000 lbf engine with very little more effort than the test engine." This is what makes disruptive technology development work: Cheap, fast turnaround on on redesign producing technologies that scale. If this works, the NASCAR guys may really start entering space competitions like the X-Cup."
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Carmack's Throatless Rocket Engine

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  • by Wolfkin ( 17910 ) on Sunday August 07, 2005 @11:42AM (#13263989) Homepage
    Per Carmack's writeup, 1.5% ISP loss, which is lost in the noise for their purposes. He also mentions that he thinks he can get about a 15% increase over their initial tested ISP, which was about 190 seconds, and that that would put the ISP very close to the maximum value for the propellant of 220 seconds.
  • by Animats ( 122034 ) on Sunday August 07, 2005 @12:14PM (#13264128) Homepage
    It doesn't have to be great, it doesn't even have to be good, it only has to be good enough.

    Unfortunately, no. Chemically fueled rockets are just barely capable of making it to orbit. They're mostly fuel tankage. Single stage to orbit craft must have at least a 90% fuel fraction. At least. Any serious inefficiency or weight growth kills the design, as happened for Rotary Rocket.

    Staging helps. Two stages will get you to low earth orbit. Beyond low orbit usually requires three. This reduces the fuel fraction, but by less than one would hope. The Shuttle's fuel fraction is around 89%.

    So space flight is all about weight reduction. Which is why everything is so fragile and unreliable. If you could build a launch system with a fuel fraction of 50%, which is roughly where most aircraft live, it would be a straightforward job.

  • Re:Obscure unit (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Dr. Zowie ( 109983 ) <slashdot@defores t . org> on Sunday August 07, 2005 @12:21PM (#13264156)
    lbf is "pounds-force", a slightly more specific unit than "lb", which could refer to a mass (0.454 kg) or a force (4.54 N).

    As a scientist I think in SI these days though it took years to unlearn the training of my youth, and I still vascillate between F and C for my preferred temperature unit.

    Nobody uses perfect units. Why aren't you measuring your car's efficiency in inverse square millimeters?

  • Re:Obscure unit (Score:5, Interesting)

    by radish ( 98371 ) on Sunday August 07, 2005 @12:49PM (#13264290) Homepage
    Yes. We are able to use non-decimal units because, quite frankly, most applications call for non-decimal units.
    Which is the standard, utterly nonsensical, argument. These are only measurement systems. You can use either to express anything. However, one of them (and I'll let you figure out which) makes it MUCH easier to do conversions and allows useful equations (like e=mc^2) to actually work without inventing new units to fit. So yes, something which is an inch today may be 2.54cm, which isn't as convenient to write. But guess what, that same thing in a metric country would be 2.5cm, or maybe even 3cm. Which is 1.18110236. I'll let you work out what fraction that is....
  • by Andy Gardner ( 850877 ) on Sunday August 07, 2005 @01:20PM (#13264472)
    Its strange how positive experimentation such as this is dubbed distruptive.
  • Re:Obscure unit (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 07, 2005 @01:25PM (#13264502)
    Is North America really so backwards and stubborn they refuse to use units that the rest of the world is perfectly happy with.

    More information on the current usage of imperial units can be found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_units#Curren t_use_of_Imperial_units/ [wikipedia.org], but you knew that, right? Canada appears to be even more on board with metric usage than, say, the U.K.

    Ok, I understand, you post was really just an occassion to whing...

  • by meesto ( 824694 ) on Sunday August 07, 2005 @04:58PM (#13265423) Homepage Journal
    http://www.xcor.com/engines.html [xcor.com] X-cor has been making "throatless" motors for some time. Very nice and simple.
  • by xenocide2 ( 231786 ) on Sunday August 07, 2005 @06:56PM (#13265880) Homepage
    Of course, this ends up like a software engineer playing around in his spare time: no progress and alpha revisions focus on radically changing the whole design. Sourceforge has no shortage of many such projects, now long dead.

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