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Cassini Confirms New Moon of Saturn 207

pipcorona writes ""In a spectacular kick-off to its first season of prime ring viewing, which began last month, the Cassini spacecraft has confirmed earlier suspicions of an unseen moon hidden in a gap in Saturn's outer A ring. A new image and movie show the new moon and the waves it raises in the surrounding ring material."
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Cassini Confirms New Moon of Saturn

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  • by psetzer ( 714543 ) on Thursday May 12, 2005 @12:17AM (#12506376)
    I mean, really? Every time they find a new one, the things just keep getting smaller. What's next, a piece of ejecta from another moon the size and shape of a '74 Chevy Impala? Might as well start naming the debris in the rings.
  • Roche limit? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Gangis ( 310282 ) on Thursday May 12, 2005 @12:24AM (#12506424) Journal
    I'm no astronomer, but I remember hearing in Astronomy class about the Roche Limit, the absolute minimum distance that an orbiting body can be from a planet before it'd be disintegrated by the gravity. I also remember hearing that Saturn's rings could have been developed as a result of objects falling within the Roche Limit and disintegrating, thus adding to the ring. This object seems much larger than most of the ones in the ring structure, though. I find that really odd. But then again, IANAA. :P
  • by helioquake ( 841463 ) * on Thursday May 12, 2005 @12:30AM (#12506460) Journal
    I'd usually agree with your sentiment. But this finding is rather important and scientifically useful (for some, not really for me).

    The significant thing is this: this moon, how small it is, may regulate the way a gap in the A-ring evolves (or stay clear of smaller rocks),

    The effect of the moon's gravity is small, but not small enough to be ignored by the material nearby. Some smart guys can run some numerical analysis to study what the rings are made of, and how a single massive (relatively) body can perturb its surrounding smaller particles.
  • Interesting that... (Score:4, Interesting)

    by vikstar ( 615372 ) on Thursday May 12, 2005 @12:45AM (#12506524) Journal
    the waves caused are asymetric, as if the moon is moving faster than the immediately surrounding debris. But thats impossible, because it would move the moon to a higher orbit, or the debris to a lower one, right? Can anyone explain this seemingly wierd phenomenon? Also notice the waves caused on the inner darker ring, what is the cause of that?
  • by helioquake ( 841463 ) * on Thursday May 12, 2005 @12:51AM (#12506554) Journal
    I'm repeating myself here (see my post below)...

    This satellite is actually interesting since it may hold a key on how to retain a gap in the A-ring. It has to do with this small body of a satellite perturbing the neighboring, smaller dusts and removing them from the region effectively.

    Somelike that can be studied numerically (n-body problems) to prove the ring's composition, etc. A nice test case for n-body problem.

    [I really should be moderating today but...oh well.]
  • Re:Images! (Score:2, Interesting)

    by darenw ( 74015 ) on Thursday May 12, 2005 @01:00AM (#12506602) Homepage Journal
    A post about non-S/2005 S1 objects seems a bit off-topic, and so probably deserves no response, but i must point out that the Phoebe image referred to is hardly the "best image so far"! We have 10000000000 times better resolution (it's too late at night to count digits... ;-) from Cassini in June 2004. Just crawl out from under fuzzy little rock where you've been living, and have a look at, for example: http://ciclops.lpl.arizona.edu/view.php?id=198 [arizona.edu] or http://ciclops.lpl.arizona.edu/view.php?id=203 [arizona.edu] - the smallest craters you see are about the same order of size as football stadiums.
  • by Jugalator ( 259273 ) on Thursday May 12, 2005 @02:54AM (#12507008) Journal
    "actual name"?

    Hmm, I thought the actual name was "the Moon", and Luna a term rarely used to distinguish it from other moons whenever necessary. Why would people rarely use an actual name?

    That it's the actual name is as debatable as Sol is the actual name for the Sun, something I also can't really say, even if we have "solar".

    I guess both these names can be said to be occasionaly used to personify these celestial bodies though.
  • by Mikey-San ( 582838 ) on Thursday May 12, 2005 @03:41AM (#12507161) Homepage Journal
    Imagine being in England for a moment. It's 3 a.m., and you're sitting on one side of the Thames River.

    Your friend Bob is perched in his chair on the other side.

    Your camera's all set up and ready to snap a picture. Just when you're about to snap, you realize that the nearest streetlight is three miles to Bob's left. Seeing that the Thames isn't a sneeze's distance across, you know that the dinky flash on your camera is pretty useless.

    You whip out your trusty imaging spectrometer camera lens and line up the shot with Bob again. Bob's giving off some good x-ray emissions, and those come across just fine.

    You could've used a really, really awesome lens and captured a bad photo of Bob--he still reflects some light, though it's a ridiculously small amount--but the IR lens gave you a more descriptive picture of Bob. Why? Mr Bob the Planet Man doesn't give off his own visible light, but he certainly emits x-rays on his own.

    This scales higher:

    In this new-but-similar scenario, you're flying over England. You're trying to take a picture of Bob and his lazy ass, but all you can see, no matter how much light you shine down onto the city below, are the lights from the buildings, bridges, and streetlamps. There's just too much noise to find ol' Bob in that galaxy of lumens.

    You've got all these lights shining on Bob, but unlike the first scenario, there's /too much/ light to see Bob; all you see are stars, so to speak, drowning out the nearby planets. Well, in x-ray mode, your camera can see that while those stars are emitting x-rays, so is Bob, just like before. You're not seeing a faint image of Bob drowned out by the only light illuminating him, you see Bob's x-ray signature approximately ten feet to the right of that cluster of streetligts.

    The universe is a dark place, but sometimes it can be TOO bright! It's a good thing I remembered a towel!
  • by antipod ( 853807 ) on Thursday May 12, 2005 @08:05AM (#12507896)
    Actually I have always been tought that the actual name of our planet is Tellus. Though that is what we were tought in swedish schools 20 years ago and I know it is the latin name for the Earth and also the roman goddess of Earth so who knows who is right...?

    And as www.susning.nu says about Terra (sorry, swedish site) 'Terra is a latin noun that means land. On old maps you can see the words like terra ingocnita, which means unknown land'.

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