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Mars Space Science

NASA's Mars Polar Lander Found at Last? 152

Ant wrote in to mention that the Sky and Telescope is running a story (with photographs and other images) that NASA's Mars Polar Lander (MPL) may have been found. From the article: "On December 9, 1999, it was supposed to touch down near the red planet's south pole but disappeared after entering the Martian atmosphere without a trace. 5.5 years later, scientists think they may have finally located the lander's wreckage and confirmed what went wrong with the mission...The search for Mars Polar Lander was hampered by inexperience: the team didn't know what a parachute should look like or how the ground would be disturbed by the landing rockets. Lessons learned from observations of the Mars Exploration Rover landing sites helped team members identify what they think are the parachute, the rocket-blast zone, and ultimately the lander itself."
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NASA's Mars Polar Lander Found at Last?

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  • wait a minute ... (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 06, 2005 @09:54AM (#12450575)
    Does my memory fail me, or wasn't there a news article back then that showed how some defense dep't. spy satellites were trained on Mars and found the thing? It was pretty much where NASA said it would be. And my memory says the pictures we're now seeing (again...) look a LOT like those that the spy cameras saw.

    This happened not long after the mishap.

    But within a VERY short while, all the news postings and pictures taken by the spy satellites VANISHED from the 'net.

    Am I the only one who remembers this?

  • by KiloByte ( 825081 ) on Friday May 06, 2005 @09:56AM (#12450591)
    Beh. To me, both items look just like random rocks, similar to those you can find right in the neighbourhood. The rock on photo 2 is simply a bit bigger.

    Perhaps my eyesight is just bad, but I wouldn't dare to call this data conclusive. Try again with a better resolution.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 06, 2005 @10:01AM (#12450629)
    Michael Malin is an expert planetary scientist. A incredible number of discoveries in the geological history of Mars have been made by Malin and colleagues. It is unsuprising that his team was able to make this discovery. They rarely miss anything (making it hard for other planetary scientists studying Mars to find anything new--seriously!).
  • dibs (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Senor_Programmer ( 876714 ) on Friday May 06, 2005 @10:04AM (#12450647)
    i don't know.

    abandoned at sea, if you recover, it's yours

    abandoned on land, on your property, it's yours

    abandoned on the side of the road on trash day, it's yours. this how where I get all my lawn equipment. mower, weedwhacker, seed spreader, wheel barrow. other stuff too, radio, tv, computer, coffee pot, couch, lawn chairs, hammock, pots and pans, dishes, building materials, ... it's about the only way to live anymore what with the damn taxes.

    abandoned on public property? I don't know.around here, abandoned cars and motorbikes are removed by a towing company that has a contract. if no one claims, they get sold for storage. not so easy for the amateur dumpster diver
  • Re:Can't Wait (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 06, 2005 @10:04AM (#12450649)
    Isnt that illegal under UN law to OWN places in space? Isnt it protected just like the Antartic, nobody OWNs it?
  • Don't stop there (Score:2, Interesting)

    by LordSnooty ( 853791 ) on Friday May 06, 2005 @10:39AM (#12450927)
    Can they can start looking for Beagle 2, so we might have a chance of understanding what went wrong with that one?
  • Re:dibs (Score:3, Interesting)

    by lcsjk ( 143581 ) on Friday May 06, 2005 @10:43AM (#12450950)
    The main difference between a yard sale and yard trash is the distance from the curb.(unknown)

    When you obtained your abandoned lawn mower from the roadside, was it by some coincidence still running and a lawn only partially cut?

  • Re:Can't Wait (Score:5, Interesting)

    by TGK ( 262438 ) on Friday May 06, 2005 @11:00AM (#12451110) Homepage Journal
    Some countries have signed treaties saying they won't claim/weaponize space. Of course, some of those same countries signed treaties saying they wouldn't try to develop anti-ballistic missiles.

    Under international law (specificly the treaty of London, 1600) a settlement, colony, or claim is only valid if the country in question has the means in palce to defend it.

    In other words, should China (which didn't sign that whole "won't claim space" treaty) land on the Moon and claim it for China, it won't be recognised as Chinese property unless they bring along some effective means of keeping other people off of it.

    Functionaly this leads to an anarchical environment. Wasn't such a bad idea in the 1600s, but when you're talking about the idea of carpet nuking someone's moon base into smoking oblivion to invalidate their claim to the place... well... things are different.

  • Why the MPL crashed (Score:5, Interesting)

    by photonic ( 584757 ) on Friday May 06, 2005 @11:33AM (#12451393)
    I did read the failure investigation report (can be found here [klabs.org], search for polar) some time ago and IIRC the most probable failure scenario was a software error involving a single boolean:

    MPL was to land under active control (with rocket power, not the air-bag trick). To kill the moter once it had touched down the legs contained contact sensors which were constructed of a pin with a spring, a magnet and a Hall-sensor. The legs were to be extended some time before touchdown.

    The problem was the sensors would trigger some intermediate false readings during the leg extension. These false readings toggled a flag, which, once the control system first started looking for contact, immediately killed the engine, having the lander free-fall to death. Clearing the flag after the leg-extension would have saved the mission. The bug was not found because of errors in the software design documents and lack of a system level test. The intermediate false readings were found in a component level test, but its consequences somehow didn't made it in the final design.

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