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Burt Rutan On Future Of SpaceShipOne (and Two) 182

Neil Halelamien writes "In a recent interview with the Desert Sun, Burt Rutan talks about the future of SpaceShipOne and SpaceShipTwo. The bad news is that SpaceShipOne will be retired straight to the Smithsonian Air and Space Museum, despite getting five different requests to fly suborbital payloads. The good news is that efforts are being focused on SpaceShipTwo, which will carry nine people, and fly higher and further downrange than SpaceShipOne. Virgin Galactic will purchase a fleet of five of these vehicles, which will start test flights in 2007. Virgin Galactic may end up competing with Jeff Bezos's Blue Origin, which is rumored to be developing a VTOL suborbital vehicle. Also interesting to watch will be Rutan's involvement with t/Space, one of the companies contracted by NASA to conduct concept studies for the Vision for Space Exploration."
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Burt Rutan On Future Of SpaceShipOne (and Two)

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  • Rutan is my hero. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by ruprechtjones ( 545762 ) <ruprechtjonesNO@SPAMgmail.com> on Wednesday December 22, 2004 @06:25PM (#11163125) Homepage
    This man is an inspiration to everybody. He is innovative, intelligent, and follows through with his dreams and goals. So tell me why, WHY Dub Bush gets Time's Person of the Year and Rutan does not.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 22, 2004 @06:29PM (#11163176)
    I don't trust private space-flight at all.

    It's kind of trusting law-enforcement or health-care to private corporations. Way too important to be trusted to people who only understand profit.

  • by Eric(b0mb)Dennis ( 629047 ) on Wednesday December 22, 2004 @06:31PM (#11163192)
    These stories (Private spaceflight) are one of the few things that strike me as awesome. Simply because of all the science fiction I have read, and interest in space flight...

    It's amazing how fast it's coming along since the X-Prize, with some great (and very rich!) minds at the forefront.

    The future in this area looks good
  • Bad news? WTF? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by brunes69 ( 86786 ) <[slashdot] [at] [keirstead.org]> on Wednesday December 22, 2004 @06:32PM (#11163200)

    The bad news is that SpaceShipOne will be retired straight to the Smithsonian Air and Space Museum...

    This has to be the stupidest comment I have seen in a /. article posting in a long time. Does this person have any regard at all for the enormous historical value this space ship has?

    Imagine it was *not* retired, then went down in flames in a subsequent mission. A very important part of humanity's history would be lost, forever.

    Try to think beyond the next few years for once in your life. You can send up payloads in SpaceShipTwo, or SpaceShipThree, or SpaceShipNineteen. But there is only one SpaceShipOne. And I for one would like it to still be around in 80 years, so I can go to the museum with my great-grandchildren and say "Look what some people of my generation accomplished".

  • Good Decision (Score:5, Insightful)

    by ZPO ( 465615 ) on Wednesday December 22, 2004 @06:40PM (#11163273)
    I applaud his decision to send it straight to the Smithsonian. It shows he's a realist and understands the experimental nature of the project.

    SpaceshipOne was a concept demonstrator. For him, its time to move on to the production version.

  • by hunterx11 ( 778171 ) <hunterx11@g[ ]l.com ['mai' in gap]> on Wednesday December 22, 2004 @06:41PM (#11163286) Homepage Journal
    Men in the future will stand on Rutan's shoulders and take his vision even further. God willing, Bush will leave a legacy which will never be overshadowed.
  • Re:SpaceShipOne (Score:2, Insightful)

    by DeathFlame ( 839265 ) on Wednesday December 22, 2004 @06:49PM (#11163349)
    From the article
    Question: Considering your motivation to innovate and design futuristic air/spacecraft, are you attracted to the Centennial Prizes offered by NASA to develop new craft designs?

    Answer: Oh no, I don't believe NASA can properly put out a (developmental) prize like the Orteg Prize or the Kramer Prize, or either the X Prize. NASA has a real habit of trying to help sub-contractors and contractors by monitoring risks that NASA wouldn't take themselves. What NASA needs to do is to put out a very difficult goal to achieve and then not monitor it at all and let those that go after it take their own risks. I don't see NASA doing that. Possibly they will. Maybe they will put someone in charge that knows the benefits of running a prize properly. I haven't seen that yet.

    Too much "help" from NASA has hurt development in some respects.

    Are you trying to tell me competion doesn't lead to innovation? There has to be a division somewhere between companies and ideas, otherwise only one sollution would be proposed, and only one solution built.

    However many solutions, with the one working solution being used for the next stage of innovation, is a much better system.

    NASA may not be dumb. But they are a huge goverment operation that may not be doing things the best way, and other than internal competition, there is not way to promote differing ideas.

  • by arthurh3535 ( 447288 ) on Wednesday December 22, 2004 @07:08PM (#11163378)
    You do realize a lot of dictators made "man of the year" too?

    Even if you don't like Bush, you have to realise that he was the most influential person (publicly) for last year.

  • Re:That's easy (Score:3, Insightful)

    by jgalun ( 8930 ) on Wednesday December 22, 2004 @07:21PM (#11163464) Homepage
    Because Bush is more controversial, and his face on the cover will sell more magazineS than somebody who has taken part in something so enormous its consequences can barely be imagined.

    With all due respect, I think Bush has had a far greater impact on the world that Rutan will. Bush invaded Afghanistan, instituted massive tax cuts, racked up huge government deficits, added prescription drug benefits to Medicare, invaded Iraq, and made huge changes in US policy towards Israel/Palestine and North Korea. By the time he's done he may also privatize Social Security and preside over the successful completion of another WTO round that could have a huge impact on third world economies. These actions all will have a major impact on social welfare programs, global economics, and geopolitics for years to come - whether they are good or bad, no one can deny their unbelievable impact. Personally, I loved Clinton, but there's no way Clinton had as much impact as Bush has had thus far.

    Hell, I haven't even mentioned Bush's coat tails - the man increased his congressional majorities in both 2002 and 2004! That's simply amazing, and may be the start of a long period of Republican dominance in Washington, D.C.

    As for Rutan, yes, SpaceShipOne is impressive. But, to my mind, it impacts only one aspect of human existence, and is a breakthrough that would have occurred even without him.

    What is amazing about SpaceShipOne is not that it is some unimagined technological marvel, but that it heralds the start of a commercial age in space (or speeds up the commercial age in space, since satellite launching had already been privatized to some extent). But if Rutan had not been around, someone else would have done it. He didn't initiate the X-Prize, he just won it. As we can see by the other competitors for X-Prize and the others who are trying to set up competitors for the next round of space commercialization, if he didn't do it, someone else would have.

    By comparison, if Gore had been elected, things would be anything like they are now. Again - good or bad - Bush has heralded in huge changes that would not have happened without him. Rutan has issued in one change that won't impact any of us for years to come, and would inevitably have happened even if he hadn't been around.
  • by KavanaghNY ( 246972 ) on Wednesday December 22, 2004 @07:29PM (#11163550) Homepage
    And the government only understands flying it's own to space. NASA will never deliver on affordable spaceflight for the rest of us. If you take a moment to follow Rutan's interview his motivation is clear - and it is not profit - although he understand running a business fine without spending taxpayer money.

    His drive is to fulfill a life-long goal of traveling to space. I bet many slashdotters share that desire.
  • by cmowire ( 254489 ) on Wednesday December 22, 2004 @07:48PM (#11163738) Homepage
    No, it sounds like trusting a private corporation to get me in one piece from one place to another using aircraft.

    Are you afraid of airliners, too?
  • by xski ( 113281 ) on Wednesday December 22, 2004 @08:59PM (#11164244)

    Virgin Orbit sounds more likely in the near term.
  • Re:SpaceShipOne (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Long-EZ ( 755920 ) on Wednesday December 22, 2004 @09:36PM (#11164537)
    You clearly don't understand what is happening. The X-Prize was created to change the entire process of space exploration and development. So far, it has been all about huge government projects, where the goal seems to be to spend as much money as possible while doing as little flying as possible. I'm not knocking the engineers or astronauts at NASA. In fact, I feel sorry for them, trapped in the bureaucracy that won't let them do what they want to do. Governments are not good at invention, innovation, cost reduction, or creative thinking. Entrepreneurs and free enterprise excel in these areas.

    Here's the important part you're probably not getting. The recent initial foray into the privatization of space is NOT trying to carry on in the manner of NASA or any other big government or big business space program. They're starting over completely from scratch, using current technology and developing new technology to make space accessable to everyone. We are in the early crawling stages right now, but as any parent can tell you, kids grow up fast. Soon, we'll be walking, then running. There will be other goals such as altitude records, distance records in parabolic flight, etc. Soon, we'll have orbital flight. Although the SS1 can't withstand reentry at orbital velocities, a lot of the technology from SS1 is applicable to orbital flight. After that, there will be privately owned orbital resorts and microgravity manufacturing plants, and eventually private trips to the moon. Watch it happen in the next twenty years.

    Private companies will make very rapid progress and will soon surpass NASA and other government sponsored space programs. The financial incentive exists, as does the technical drive to accomplish these goals. Private enterprise will recapitulate NASA's accomplishments, only much faster and for a lot less money.

    Many people fail to see the analogy, but the X-Prize really was just like the Orteig [wikipedia.org] Prize that encouraged the first trans-Atlantic airplane crossing in 1927. We are about to enter the era of space development that is similar to what the 1930s was to the aviation industry in all important respects.

  • by Subjective ( 532342 ) on Wednesday December 22, 2004 @10:11PM (#11164783)
    Airliners are private.
    Health care seems private from this end - most people I know takes at least one type of medicine he buys himself (homeopathic or prescribed non-free medicine).
    We have medical plans, payed by docking our salary. If I need a major surgery, I pay some of it and my financed-out-of-my-salary insurance pays the rest. Nothing here is government, nor profit-free.
    Same for accidents insurance, in my history. I was the cause of the accident so I had to pay, despite insurance. No government protected me.
  • by marcus ( 1916 ) on Thursday December 23, 2004 @11:03AM (#11167877) Journal
    Intelligent enough to save lives?
    Simply ridiculous.

    Do you know why Challenger exploded?

    Summary: Because NASA was not smart. They launched when the conditions were documented out of spec.

    Do you know why Columbia burned?

    Summary: Because NASA was not smart. They launched and re-entered after engineers had warned about the foam and tiles.

    As far as being reasonable about 40 MPH winds on takeoff goes, I've flown planes in those conditions. No problem, all you need is a little skill. Believe me, the guys flying for Rutan have much more skill than I do, as well as much more capable planes. Add to that, surface conditions are largely irrelevant for aircraft that are exploring a flight envelope centered on >50Km altitudes and supersonic speeds.

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