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New Advances Bring Fusion Closer to Reality 785

An anonymous reader writes "The Christian Science Monitor reports on new advances in nuclear fusion research. For years we've been waiting for the technical breakthroughs that would make cost-effective fusion energy a reality. Are we getting close, or are the problems insurmountable?"
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New Advances Bring Fusion Closer to Reality

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  • Re:Christian? (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 10, 2004 @09:25AM (#11050524)
    Christian Science is different from Christianity [reformed.org]. Plus, Christianity isn't anti-scientific [icr.org].
  • Dumbed down (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 10, 2004 @09:28AM (#11050544)
    The article was so dumbed down it was actually harder to work out what it was saying, but I think it goes like this:

    "We still intend to use a donut-shaped plasma contained in a magnetic field. But now we've got better scopes and the latest release of 'budget fluid-model XP' for our souped-up research PCs"

    Perhaps the real point of the article is to announce that Christian HQ has finally decided that nuclear fusion isn't blasphemous (and God has presumably decided not to enforce her patents on the sun).
  • Re:"Splitting atoms" (Score:1, Interesting)

    by ashridah ( 72567 ) on Friday December 10, 2004 @09:33AM (#11050570)
    Generating many orders of magnitude less radioactive waste than current fossil fuel plants, they are inherently better for the environment on a purely objective level.

    since when does a fossil fuel power plant produce radioactive waste? :)

    (and there are some fossil fuel power plants that can be relatively clean, such as natural gas. problem is, they're not anywhere near efficient enough, compared to coal/oil, but good for some uses)

    We use the heat generated by the decay of radioactive elements to fuel our generators. We do nothing like smashing atoms into smaller bits.

    Except that it's typically the controlled fission of a particular isotope of a particular atom, using a neutron source and a neutron absorbing material, we're forcing the atom to split by deliberately introducing an extra neutron that subsequently releases more neutrons.
    This isn't natural decay by any standard, it's controlled fission. That said, the term "Atom smashing" is by no means correct, since it requires no 'force' to speak of, we're not talking Mr. Burns' atom smashing plant here :)

    Decay is when an atom spontaneously breaks into two separate particles releasing alpha, beta or gamma radiation. It's also when the term 'half life' kicks in outside FPS's, and of course, it's only the waste from a fission reactor that has to undergo millions of years of decay to be safe.

    Of course, it's been about 7 years since I studied this in physics, so perhaps they've changed to using reactors that sit around waiting for spontaneous decay to occur. :)

    ashridah
  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 10, 2004 @09:37AM (#11050593)
    "The confinement vessel warms up by about two degrees C, you fix the problem and restart it."

    Also, due electromagnetic forces, the sudden absence of big magnetic field excerts a lot of torque to the torus. Not harming anyone, but I'd wager being near when 6-meter-high metal construction just "jumps" may be a bit startling.
  • Re:Years away (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Decaff ( 42676 ) on Friday December 10, 2004 @09:39AM (#11050608)
    "Nuclear Fusion has always been 15 years away, and always will be"

    This glib statement seriously underestimates the achievements in this area in the past few years. We have gone from doubts as to whether controlled fusion could ever be achieved to a point where we are working on stabilising the reaction to the level where it produces commercial results.

    And by the way, the classic quote was '50' years, not 15!
  • by coolcold ( 805170 ) on Friday December 10, 2004 @09:41AM (#11050617) Homepage
    in nuclear fission, one atom break into two and spit out neutrons which further trigger other events. Material are inserted to slow the process down so it won't explode.
    On the other hand, nuclear fusion merge two atom (hydrogen?) into one. Energy are input to accelerate the atoms as well as confining it. IF it does fail, the hydrogens will escape (from the chamber?) but there won't be further reaction. This won't lead to explosion in power failure.
    They are cheaper than fission in the sense that hydrogen are easier to get than uranium. Furthermore, our current source would cease to exist one day and hydrogen are everywhere so they are a more common source of energy
  • by ScrewTivo ( 458228 ) on Friday December 10, 2004 @09:43AM (#11050627) Homepage
    use the suns fusion to grow biodiesel. A lot cheaper and it will clean the atmosphere. My understanding is that all carbon in plant is extracted from the atmosphere. Extracting the oil leaves carbon waste, so even dirty engines cannot put more carbon back into air then was extracted.
    Although we may end up with oxygen pollution :)
    biodiesel home page [biodiesel.org]

  • by Qzukk ( 229616 ) on Friday December 10, 2004 @09:44AM (#11050635) Journal
    What is the failure mode for a collapsed fusuion capable magnetic field?

    The reaction stops. No, seriously, current fusion reactor designs require the magentic field to cause the fusion to happen. Thats why its currently so expensive, most of the time it takes more electricity to power the magnet than you can get from the fusion.

    Current nuclear reactors have a GREAT track record, by any other industry standard. However, those who worked on the years of clean up at three mile island

    Guess what, the reactor there wasn't a current design. In fact, I believe none of the reactors in operation in the US is a current design, since instead of replacing them with better designs that have been in use for almost a decade now, little "know it alls" like you complain and prevent new plants from being built to replace the old.

    The situation with nuclear power has not changed just becuase we are looking at 'new and improved' fusion.

    The situation with nuclear power changed decades ago with the invention of reactors that could burn fuel that would have otherwise been considered "spent", reducing the need for disposal. It changed years ago with the invention of better fission reactors that are resistant to meltdown in emergency situations, and it will change yet again with the invention of fusion reactors that operate by converting small atoms (Helium) into slightly larger ones, rather than using heavy metals like uranium and plutonium.
  • by beefo ( 738495 ) on Friday December 10, 2004 @09:47AM (#11050651)
    Yeah, I know I'm ill informed. It's true. I've never worked on a tokomak or any other nuclear facility. I do know that it takes more than two degree C from ambient to make fusion happen with known methods. And the product of twenty years of operation is not well understood, there is more than one person in the nuclear field (possibly informed, and/or just crazy) that wonders what happens to materials even if the neutrons are not 'hot'. The argument that nearby materials will not get dangerous appears to be based on statistics (of course because this is all you've got). So who is looking at real failure modes (versus the ones where things get two degrees out of wack and the confinement politly disipates into a safe cloud of well behaved plasma)? Take another look at the density goals for these operations, recalculate the energy moderation outside a confinement, then let me know if you still come up with only two degrees. (I'm also pretty bad at arithmetic, so I get exponents wrong all the time, just by one or two, but hey, a few degrees of magnitude make all the difference, don't they)
  • Re:Typical slashbot (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Cat_Byte ( 621676 ) on Friday December 10, 2004 @09:54AM (#11050696) Journal
    I believe he said we didn't believe it would be possible...not just dreaming of it. Right now I think landing a human on Venus will never be possible just because of the environment. Maybe that will be proved wrong someday. Things are moving at an extremely rapid pace. The first jet engines used as a top secret venture during WW2 and seen over the skies of Germany was only about 60 years ago. Then..what...25-30 years later we land on the moon? That is impressive and I'm betting nobody would have dreamed we would have made leaps and bounds like that 100 years ago. I wanna see whats next!
  • Re:"Splitting atoms" (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 10, 2004 @09:59AM (#11050736)
    People who are gravely skeptical about nuclear power are not all kneejerk ignorant reactionaries. I understand how nuclear power works. I also understand that even ordinary rocks and concrete walls are radioactive, or that burning fossil fuels introduces some radioactive material into the atmosphere. Hell, even the potassium in our bones is a source of significant exposure, as is flying at high altitudes in a plane. And I understand that we are slowly being backed into a corner when it comes to conventional fossil fuel supplies, and therefore must consider new energy sources or expansion of known ones.

    Even so, I deeply question the need for additional nuclear power as the solution to our ills when I know that the products are both toxic and radioactive for at least thousands of years, when the load of radioactive materials in the atmosphere and the rest of the environment continues to rise, and when we have no permanent storage solution. By contrast, at least fossil fuel products are largely recycled in the natural environment, and what radioactivity they introduce isn't much different from what is already there naturally (compare: radioactive cesium and iodine).

    By going nuclear we will solve our present energy problems by foisting new ones on the next generation, and for a great many after that. This is a decision that must be made cautiously, if it is acceptable at all. What's more, there are obvious alternatives, such as wind, solar, and simply conservation. Yes, they cost more money. Yes, they would mean many societal changes to accomodate. Yes, we might not be economically as competitive with countries that don't care about being messy (but recall the costs of having a contaminated environment). Yes, we can't solve some problems with them (e.g., flying commercial planes with solar isn't an option!). But is cheap and messy nuclear really the right choice to make if we care about the future, and not merely ourselves?

    This view has nothing to do with superstitions and ignorance. Just the opposite.

    I'm not kneejerk opposed to nuclear power. I think it *might* be a viable option. But I think it should be approached very, very, very carefully, and not with the attitude of "build more plants, otherwise business as usual". This is the opportunity to weigh *all* of the options. Even nuclear power has its limits in terms of non-renewable resources, so we're going to be facing the same sort of problems eventually in the slightly more distant future. I think it would be one of the greatest technical achievements of this generation if we manage to solve the problem more permanently rather than passing it on a generation or two.
  • Re:"Splitting atoms" (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Fragbert ( 539999 ) on Friday December 10, 2004 @10:02AM (#11050757)
    In other words, we may not be "splitting atoms", but you're splitting hairs.
  • by henrygb ( 668225 ) on Friday December 10, 2004 @10:12AM (#11050816)
    First you have to ensure that all the inputs come from biodiesel and are not just some energy intensive subsidy to farmers.

    UK duty on ordinary diesel 47.1 p/litre
    duty on biodiesel 27.1 p/litre
    duty on ordinary diesel paid by farmers 5.22 p/litre

  • Re:Years away (Score:2, Interesting)

    by maxwell demon ( 590494 ) on Friday December 10, 2004 @10:21AM (#11050903) Journal
    Well then technically all life on this planet is fusion powered...

    No, not all life. There are some life forms in the deap sea which are powered by vulcanic power. [amnh.org] Indeed some researchers think that life could have originated there.
  • Re:"Splitting atoms" (Score:4, Interesting)

    by swillden ( 191260 ) * <shawn-ds@willden.org> on Friday December 10, 2004 @10:31AM (#11050973) Journal

    there are no satisfying solutions on how to deal with that waste IMO/AFAIK.

    Put it in torpedos that bury themselves in the edge of the deepest part of the Marianas Trench. The trench is the meeting point of the Pacific and Phillipine tectonic plates, and subduction would pull the waste under the Pacific plate and into the mantle.

    Actually, various forms of deep ocean disposal, whether at plate edges or, perhaps better, in the center of geologically inert areas, are an excellent option. Wastes buried a few meters deep in the soft, inert and lifeless sediments in the deeps would ensure that the waste will not migrate into the biosphere before it decays to a safe level and would make recovery by anyone nearly impossible, which means that the wastes would be safe from terrorists wanting to make dirty bombs.

    The only obstacle, really, is an international treaty, the London Convention, which is just an agreement and could be modified through an appropriate political process.

  • by CrimsonAvenger ( 580665 ) on Friday December 10, 2004 @11:43AM (#11051641)
    100 years ago we would never have dreamed space exploration would be possible. Why's this so different?

    I refer you to "Exploration of Space by Means of Reactive Apparatus" by Konstantin Eduardovich Tsiolkovsky, written in 1896. That was 108 years ago...

  • by Firethorn ( 177587 ) on Friday December 10, 2004 @11:46AM (#11051679) Homepage Journal
    according to Alex Gabbard [ornl.gov]

    For comparison, according to NCRP Reports No. 92 and No. 95, population exposure from operation of 1000-MWe nuclear and coal-fired power plants amounts to 490 person-rem/year for coal plants and 4.8 person-rem/year for nuclear plants. Thus, the population effective dose equivalent from coal plants is 100 times that from nuclear plants. For the complete nuclear fuel cycle, from mining to reactor operation to waste disposal, the radiation dose is cited as 136 person-rem/year; the equivalent dose for coal use, from mining to power plant operation to waste disposal, is not listed in this report and is probably unknown.

    For a large number of coal samples, according to Environmental Protection Agency figures released in 1984, average values of uranium and thorium content have been determined to be 1.3 ppm and 3.2 ppm, respectively

    And a 1,000 megawatt plant uses 4 million tons of coal a year, resulting in the release of 5.2 tons of Uranium and 12.8 tones of thorium.

    A 1000 megawatt light water nuclear plant of the type used in the USA uses about 25 tons of uranium a year.

    If you're willing to use breeder reactors and their ilk, you can actually get more power out the the uranium in the ash than you got burning the coal!
  • Re:Years away (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Rei ( 128717 ) on Friday December 10, 2004 @01:21PM (#11052709) Homepage
    CSM is actually a surprisingly good paper. Don't denigrate it because of the name.

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