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Soviet Space Battle Station Images Published 350

An anonymous reader writes "Images of the Soviet Union's laser space battle station Skif and its prototype Polyus have been published on the web. Polyus-Skif was the Soviet response to the American 'Star Wars' program of the 1980s. The Polyus was launched in May 1987 but a faulty sensor caused it to de-orbit into the South Pacific. More information can be found at Encyclopedia Astronautica."
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Soviet Space Battle Station Images Published

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  • Wow (Score:5, Interesting)

    by The-Bus ( 138060 ) on Monday November 22, 2004 @09:35AM (#10887348)
    I especially like this picture [www.army.lv], which seems to almost be a spy shot froma James Bond movie, or as one of the posters commented, "Looks very Thunderbirds-ish."
  • by fantomas ( 94850 ) on Monday November 22, 2004 @09:37AM (#10887362)
    Why iss this photo up on the Latvian army's website? anybody find any other goodies there?
  • Software error (Score:5, Interesting)

    by YeeHaW_Jelte ( 451855 ) on Monday November 22, 2004 @09:39AM (#10887369) Homepage
    Comments at the website (yes I RTFA) say it wasn't a faulty sensor but a software error which caused the Polyus to turn 360 instead of 180 degree upon reaching orbit, and it boosted itself back into the atmosphere. Oops!
  • by nayigeta ( 792068 ) on Monday November 22, 2004 @09:46AM (#10887403) Homepage Journal
    Looks impressive, considering the time of such a project.

    Leads one to ponder about the relative computing powess against the counterpart in those times.

    Just how far the computing differences were, considering that a probable computation error caused the machine to orbit incorrectly.

  • Re:Software error (Score:5, Interesting)

    by fizze ( 610734 ) on Monday November 22, 2004 @09:50AM (#10887434)
    Such errors seem common. I believe it was the F-16 which had a similiar problem with the artificial horizon, causing it to rotate 180 when crossing the aequator. It has (luckily) been found and fixed.
  • by Sai Babu ( 827212 ) on Monday November 22, 2004 @09:50AM (#10887435) Homepage
    workin on Mars mission."

    A most interesting comment from the guy who provided the photos.

    Perhaps he woudl be willing submit to a /. interview?

  • by Devar ( 312672 ) on Monday November 22, 2004 @09:59AM (#10887487) Homepage Journal
    ...just imagine what the USA might just have up there right now.
  • by Catmeat ( 20653 ) <(mtm) (at) (sys.uea.ac.uk)> on Monday November 22, 2004 @10:03AM (#10887507)
    There is a theory the lunch failure was intentional.

    Gorbachev had just come to power and wanted to make peace overtures to the West. A giant space battle station was not going to help this endeavour so a deliberate "launch failure" would be the simplest and easiest way of getting rid of the darn thing and shutting down the program.

    As I said, it's nothing more than a theory I've heard articulated. I've no idea how much credability or plausibility it has.
  • by LWATCDR ( 28044 ) on Monday November 22, 2004 @10:44AM (#10887807) Homepage Journal
    The US had more than one failure it's self during the early days. I saw pictures of an Atlas cart wheeling through the sky. The Navaho missle got the nickname the Nogo. I have even seen a Thor with a live H-Bomb on it fail at blast off the warhead did not go off thank goodness for the launch crew. That was part of test to see what happens when you blow up a nuke in space. The difference is in the US most of the failures where public.
  • by quarkscat ( 697644 ) on Monday November 22, 2004 @10:56AM (#10887920)
    surely, you jest!
    300 million wouldn't even cover the costs
    for the symposium to kick off the feasability
    study.
    bush & co (warsRus) has already kicked in over
    6 billion dollars for new (non-Reagan) work on
    a (theatre) missile defense system. so far,
    the only tests that have worked have been the
    ones that have been "billed" as "demonstrations".
    "leaked" reagan-era intel touted soviet land-
    based laser cannon capable of destroying USA
    satellites in HEO. $6B for a non-functional
    missile defense system, but not a red cent more
    for seaport & container cargo security.

    sounds to me more like the justification for yet
    another bush initiative, the militarization of
    earth orbit. it's the usual thing -- beat the
    american people over the head with exaggerated
    or fake threats in order to pry more money out
    of the taxpayers for the military-industrial
    complex.
  • Re:Software error (Score:2, Interesting)

    by jlar ( 584848 ) on Monday November 22, 2004 @11:17AM (#10888106)
    ...and what about the Falkland War where british shipborne missiles did'nt hit their targets because they had forgotten that they were in the southern hemisphere where the Coriolis force deflects moving objects to the left instead of right.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 22, 2004 @11:52AM (#10888398)
    You ever thought to think that two launches can be seen as one? This practice of double whammy launching is so old I wonder if they still bother... In those days (early 80's) bloom recognition was in such a sorry state that you couldn't tell the difference between a significant fire and a launch.. Norad had so many freakin' alerts because of forest fires in the soviet forests you wouldn't believe it..

    anyway, funky shots of a funky vehicle from a funky time... glad those days are over. I like Russians and I am happy to be their friend. For the others? Yab t'vayuh Maht!
  • by WIAKywbfatw ( 307557 ) on Monday November 22, 2004 @11:54AM (#10888422) Journal
    First rule of combat: disable the enemies eyes and ears. If he's blinded because you took out his intelligence gathering satellites, he's not only lost what realtime intelligence he had coming in but he now also has to expend other resources (ie, manpower in the form of reconnaisance missions) to try and get some of that back. And with his communications satellites gone too, his ability to effectively manage is greatly diminished too.

    You can't hit what you can't see. Sounds obvious but in warfare it can be the only difference between winning and getting spanked.
  • by WIAKywbfatw ( 307557 ) on Monday November 22, 2004 @11:59AM (#10888459) Journal
    You don't think that it's possible to intentionally sabotage an aircraft or spaceship by messing with its instrumentation? Wow, you have heard of software, right? And you do know that a few lines of code can wreak havoc to any piece of code, let alone a mission critical application, right?

    Newsflash for you: there are more ways of bringing something down then just shooting it out of the sky.
  • Re:Wow (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Rorschach1 ( 174480 ) on Monday November 22, 2004 @12:38PM (#10888806) Homepage
    What I find interesting is the marking on the side that says 'MIR-2'. I guess it would have been launched just after the original Mir station. Seems a little ironic to name a battle station 'Peace', though I guess it can be translated as 'Earth' too.

    The picture of the launch vehicle being erected is classic. Looks like either the world's largest surface-to-air missile or a 1950's idea of a rocket ship.
  • by alx-1138 ( 833502 ) on Monday November 22, 2004 @12:44PM (#10888885)
    The designation 'MNP-2' can be seen on the side of the booster rockets in some of the photos. MNP is the Russian 'Mir', or 'peace'. Why would 'peace' be on this machinery? Sarcasm? Camoflauge? (after all, you would expect something like 'KillBot' on the side of a combat vehicle) Simple re-use of boosters from the Mir program? Or maybe hoax? ;-)
  • Rabid Ronnie (Score:3, Interesting)

    by theolein ( 316044 ) on Monday November 22, 2004 @05:26PM (#10891783) Journal
    While the USSR was already on the way out due to the failings of numerous things (It wasn't just the Soviet economy, mainly it was that the people were simply tired of the Soviet loonies. The Soviet economy could have lasted a lot longer given that it was based on an active imagination and not an actual market), they certainly managed a number of fascinating things technically, such as the Energia rocket and Buran and the Venera venus landers.

    Mainly though, this Polyus battle station shows what a waste the SDI initiative was in the first place, and more importantly, for today's world of Texas cowboys, what a waste the missile defense shield is. The huge amount of money wasted on lunatic plans to conquer space is easily countered with comparitively cheap countermeasure, be they a space based laser battlestation (why does the US think that China could not build one itself, with the same lack of hoo haa that the Russians had?) or a manouvering warhead.

    But those big defense companies need to justify their existences, employees salaries, and profits, don't they?
  • Soviet Russia is GO! (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Mulletproof ( 513805 ) on Monday November 22, 2004 @09:31PM (#10894182) Homepage Journal
    And speaking of people, amazing how not one photo has a single person in it. Giant boosters, complex machinery, huge manufacturing centers... And no one single person. Not even independent ground vehicals.

    And yeah, it does look like the Thunderbirds. If I stare long enough, I could swear I see the strings.
    I'm calling BS Flag, 30 yard line. It may be legit, but somebody is gonna have to do better than those photographs.

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