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Venus Transit Finished 220

KjetilK writes "Venus is just about to cross the solar disc. Direct from the control room in the Frogner Park in Oslo, I'm pleased to inform you that we have a great webcast, and as far as we know, it is the only webcast that still stands upright... Slashdotters, do your worst! ;-) A Venus transit is one of the most unique astronomical events in our time, in fact, no living person has witnessed it before today. And today, more people have seen it from the park where I'm sitting that in the rest of human history. Also, it had tremendous importance for the development of science, as it gave the first absolute measurements of distances in the solar system. Especially in 1769, a transit made science take huge leaps forward. And BTW, New Zealand and Australia were 'discovered' in the process" Some nice photos from the UK, photos from vt-2004.org, and if you missed it, it'll be eight short years till you can try again.
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  • Another article (Score:5, Informative)

    by Mz6 ( 741941 ) * on Tuesday June 08, 2004 @12:40PM (#9367399) Journal
    For those insterested, the poster really didn't leave any links to explain some of his claims about distances and the discovery of NZ and Australia.. This article I found explains most of it in detail. [abc.net.au]

    Snippet:

    How transits can determine distances:

    In 1716, Edmond Halley was the first astronomer to suggest transits could be used to work out how far away the Sun is - also known as AU. Once this was known, the distances to all the other planets in the Solar System could be calculated.

    If the transit was measured from several different places on earth, Halley reasoned, there should be a slight difference in the visible track across the sun. But this shift is so slight it is difficult to measure directly. Instead, the time at four different points during the transit can be noted down. These are: the first moment when Venus touches the Sun's disc, the moment when it is completely inside the disk, the moment when it makes contact with the other side of the disk on its way out, and the last moment of contact.

    Astronomers can then compare these four timings as seen from different locations, a known distance apart. Using some fairly simple geometry the distance between the Earth and the Sun can be calculated.

  • Re:WTF!!!? (Score:3, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 08, 2004 @12:42PM (#9367434)
    Well, if you would read the Science section, you would see it did indeed get posted a while ago.

    Though, even if it didn't, there are websites other than /. ...
  • by jamesdood ( 468240 ) on Tuesday June 08, 2004 @12:44PM (#9367458)
    sounded pretty neat, they have a good write up here [npr.org] Since I missed it glad someone took some pictures!
  • Re:WTF!!!? (Score:3, Informative)

    by Bill_Mische ( 253534 ) on Tuesday June 08, 2004 @12:44PM (#9367459)
    Possibly because the best place to observe this wasn't in the US? The BBC and ITV having being flogging this for a few days so we all knew about it.
  • by lubricated ( 49106 ) <michalp.gmail@com> on Tuesday June 08, 2004 @12:49PM (#9367523)
    huh... huh... huh... He said rectum
  • by kakapo ( 88299 ) on Tuesday June 08, 2004 @12:50PM (#9367549)
    Strictly speaking, New Zealand and Australia were both 'discovered' (by both Europeans, and their indigenous inhabitants) well before 1769, when Cook sailed to Tahiti to observe the transit. Cook's contribution was mapping the coastline of New Zealand with much greater accuracy, and mapping big chunks of the eastern coast of Australia.

    His biggest discovery was what he didn't find -- at the time, there was considerable belief in the idea of a "great southern land" somewhere in the Pacific, and Cooks three voyages, when taken together, cross-hatch the Pacfic and demonstrate that it contained no large and undiscovered landmassess.
  • by dotz ( 683519 ) on Tuesday June 08, 2004 @12:54PM (#9367604)
    1. Get xplanet! [sf.net]
    2. Setup instructions [freebsddiary.org] (despite BSD-related site, pretty useful even on win32!)
    3. ???
    4. NICE DESKTOP!
  • Australia (Score:4, Informative)

    by pubjames ( 468013 ) on Tuesday June 08, 2004 @12:57PM (#9367636)

    Recording the transit of Venus was the official reason for Cooks voyage to Tahiti - he carried precise scientific instruments to record it, as recording it from different locations around the world would provide valuable information.

    Once this was done, Cook opened a secret envelope which contained the real reason for his voyage - to discover the great unknown land mass in the south (Australia) and claim it for England.
  • Photos (Score:2, Informative)

    by Seft ( 659449 ) on Tuesday June 08, 2004 @12:57PM (#9367644)
    Here are some photos from Winchester College, UK: Here [everybuddy.com] and one that I took, Here [deviantart.com], and Here (colour corrected) [deviantart.com]
  • by gdavidp ( 709900 ) on Tuesday June 08, 2004 @01:03PM (#9367713) Homepage
    There is a great picture of the event posted by a Canon 10D owner from Digital Photography Review [dpreview.com] website. He used an expensive filter and telescope.
  • Re:Next Time (Score:2, Informative)

    by sonicattack ( 554038 ) on Tuesday June 08, 2004 @01:06PM (#9367740) Homepage
    Here [webcast16.uio.no] are images taken with a regular interval, which can be retrieved with wget, and combined into a nifty time-lapse film, for example with Mencoder:

    mencoder -mf type=jpg mf://*jpg -o movie.avi -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:mbd=2:trell:cbp:mv0

    I'm usure about how copyright for the images works and if someone would be allowed to make such a film publicly available. That would lessen the burden on that server. Perhaps. :)
  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 08, 2004 @01:07PM (#9367764)
    Better link [sourceforge.net]
  • Re:Mercury (Score:4, Informative)

    by lecithin ( 745575 ) * on Tuesday June 08, 2004 @01:11PM (#9367797)
    If Mercury's orbit was not inclined with respect to the orbit of the Earth, Mercury would transit across the Sun every 116 days (the period of time between two identical configurations Sun-Mecuri as seen from the Earth; i.e. synodic period). But the inclination of Mercury's orbit (7 degress) causes that most times Mercury's path crosses "above" or "below" the solar disc, without a transit taking place. Therefore, on average, there are only 13 transits per century, separated by intervals ranging from 3.5 to 13 years. Currently, transits of Mercury can only occur during the months of May and November. Stolen From http://www.am.ub.es/~emasana/mercuri2003/faq_eng.h tml
  • Re:Mercury (Score:4, Informative)

    by tommy_teardrop ( 228273 ) on Tuesday June 08, 2004 @01:19PM (#9367878)
    With thanks to Google:

    Transits of Mercury: 2001-2100

    Date Time

    2003 May 07 07:52
    2006 Nov 08 21:41
    2016 May 09 14:57
    2019 Nov 11 15:20
    2032 Nov 13 08:54
    2039 Nov 07 08:46
    2049 May 07 14:24
    2052 Nov 09 02:30
    2062 May 10 21:37
    2065 Nov 11 20:07
    2078 Nov 14 13:42
    2085 Nov 07 13:36
    2095 May 08 21:08
    2098 Nov 10 07:18
  • by hkfczrqj ( 671146 ) on Tuesday June 08, 2004 @01:20PM (#9367890)
    Just look at these pictures [webcast3.uio.no]. They were taken by the Swedish Solar Telescope.

    Too bad I couldn't see the transit from my place. Maybe in 2012 I can be in the right location. Does any Hawaiian, Japanese or Polinesian slashdotter have a room for rent in June 2012? :)
  • Re:pics i took (Score:2, Informative)

    by bonius_rex ( 170357 ) on Tuesday June 08, 2004 @01:23PM (#9367922)

    This is slashdot and all, but if you'd read the words, instead of just looking at the pictures, you'd have seen this:

    Welcome to my poor man's experience of the Venus Transit of 2004, from the far eastern island of Singapore.

  • BBC Program tonight. (Score:3, Informative)

    by amembleton ( 411990 ) <aembleton@bigfoo ... minus physicist> on Tuesday June 08, 2004 @01:34PM (#9368063) Homepage
    Tonight there is an hour long program on BBC 2 at 11.20PM about the Transit of Venus.

    More Information [bbc.co.uk]
  • by GatorMan ( 70959 ) on Tuesday June 08, 2004 @02:01PM (#9368353)
    http://www.jackstargazer.com/VTLinks.html

    and

    Real webcast of event:
    http://www.miamisci.org:8080/ramgen/starga zer/SG04 22.rm?usehostname
  • Re:solar disc? (Score:3, Informative)

    by ViolentGreen ( 704134 ) on Tuesday June 08, 2004 @02:41PM (#9368746)
    I believe the term "solar disc" refers to the Sun as seen from the earth. An object cannot pass in front of another object without a reference point to determine where the front is. I guess it's just a little more percise to say it that way.
  • Re:Another article (Score:4, Informative)

    by bdeclerc ( 129522 ) on Tuesday June 08, 2004 @03:36PM (#9369291) Homepage

    Yep, and they were off by a factor 20, whereas the Venus method allowed 18th century astronomers to calculate the distance to within about 10% of the correct value.

    Reference:
    Greeks [washington.edu]

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