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SETI@home Turns Five Today 275

mfh writes "Five years ago today, SETI@home launched a comprehensive program to search for Extra Terrestrial life in the universe, using millions of home computers to help compile useful data that could some day lead to the discovery of advanced extra terrestrial life. Since inception, SETI@home has found 2,568 persistent Gaussians, possible radio transmissions from a distant planet. SETI began in 1960 with the efforts of Cornell University astronomer Frank Drake, whose Project Ozma became the first modern SETI experiment in history."
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SETI@home Turns Five Today

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  • by Steve_Jobs_HNIC ( 513769 ) on Friday May 21, 2004 @11:25AM (#9215623) Journal
    "we ain't found shit!"
    • by spellraiser ( 764337 ) on Friday May 21, 2004 @11:29AM (#9215680) Journal
      ... here [userfriendly.org]
    • Just to mention that the number of users involved is 5 000 000.

      Strange coincidence in the number five.
    • by Sigfried_Blip ( 526923 ) on Friday May 21, 2004 @02:22PM (#9218439) Homepage
      "we ain't found shit!"

      I like noise. In fact I am fascinated by it.

      My viewpoint of the seti@home project is that they are a great source of high quality Radio Telescope signals. I let their program do it's science and I get to keep the work units. Seems like a fair trade. So far I have archived 5762 work_unit.sah files (~1.5 GB). Why?

      Because I am an amateur SETI enthusiast and I wasn't satisfied with just watching the screensaver. Gaussians, spikes, triplets, phooey! I wanted to do more. So I collect every work unit and I analyze them myself with the baudline signal analyzer [baudline.com]. It can read the .sah data files and it has a cool auto Doppler drift algorithm, nice displays, ...

      Despite the common mixing trough at 1.4200 GHz, and the stationary harmonic bleed-in interference, I have found a lot of interesting things in the data. Every now and then I run into a weak signal with a non-terrestrial Doppler drift rate. Sometimes they wiggle or pulse. Is it ET? Probably not, but it is exciting and fun. I should make a webpage of pictures.

      [Disclaimer: Yes, I am an author of baudline and this is a blatant product plug.]
  • by mainfr4me ( 715711 ) on Friday May 21, 2004 @11:26AM (#9215635) Journal
    Cool stuff, until I found one of our managers had installed it on all of the computers in his department. The boss is still upset about that one, although he does do it on his home PC's.
    • Realistically, what's the problem with running s@h or a similar project on any available machine, as long as
      • it's running at a low priority
      • memory consumption isn't a problem (it takes about 16 MB)
      • network isn't being ddos'd by a work unit of 300KB every few hours?

      I hate to see CPU time being wasted. If you're worried about power consumption you might just as well turn the machine off entirely.

    • People freak out about seti@home, but not about cpu-hogging screensavers (GLPipes, anyone?) or bandwidth-hogging animated doubleclick.net ads. Just an observation.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 21, 2004 @11:27AM (#9215646)
    I for one welcome our new Gaussian overlords!
  • by bobhagopian ( 681765 ) on Friday May 21, 2004 @11:27AM (#9215647)
    Those bastards I'm competing against have accumulated thousands of years of credits.
  • Defect (Score:2, Insightful)

    by phasm42 ( 588479 )
    All you SETI people out there... if you want your CPU cycles to actually produce something useful, how about running Folding@Home or United Devices or some other medical research program. Looking for scant signs of aliens just seems fruitless compared to the more immediate problems that you could direct your CPU cycles at.
    • Re:Defect (Score:3, Interesting)

      by MoonFog ( 586818 )
      IIRC, there's a new version of SETI coming out where you can delegate percentage of the CPU to the various tasks. For example, 20% to aliens, 80% to cancer research and 20% to medically related researc.
      Anybody have any more info on this project?
      • Re:Defect (Score:5, Informative)

        by Martin Blank ( 154261 ) on Friday May 21, 2004 @11:36AM (#9215800) Homepage Journal
        It's called BOINC (Berkeley Open Infrastructure for Network Computing) [berkeley.edu], and it's still in beta, but progressing. I have it on one of my systems, but it's only working on one project right now. Aside from the occasional software update, I've not touched it in a month or two, so I'm not sure if they've implemented any more projects.
      • Re:Defect (Score:5, Funny)

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 21, 2004 @11:37AM (#9215818)
        20% to aliens, 80% to cancer research and 20% to medically related research
        I've dedicated 103% of my CPU time to selecting three numbers that actually add up to 100%...
      • Re:Defect (Score:3, Funny)

        by Anonymous Coward
        IIRC, there's a new version of SETI coming out where you can delegate percentage of the CPU to the various tasks. For example, 20% to aliens, 80% to cancer research and 20% to medically related researc.
        Anybody have any more info on this project?


        Hell yeah, I'd install that in a heartbeat. Any software capable of using 120% of my CPU should be respected.
    • ... You actually find alien signals.
    • Re:Defect (Score:5, Funny)

      by dumeinst ( 664891 ) on Friday May 21, 2004 @11:30AM (#9215700)
      I bet the aliens have better computers. When we find them, they'll be able to simulate all that protein folding in SECONDS.
      • Re:Defect (Score:4, Insightful)

        by phasm42 ( 588479 ) on Friday May 21, 2004 @11:36AM (#9215813)
        If aliens are found, they'd be so distant contacting them would be useless. And by the time technology to communicate with them quickly was created, probably the technology to find them would also be significantly advanced. SETI just seems like a project that should be put off until another day when technology has improved significantly (this kinda reminds me of the Slashdot discussion on manned Mars missions and arguments as to why it'd be a waste of resources at the present time).
        • Re:Defect (Score:3, Interesting)

          by nizo ( 81281 )
          Ahh, but if we actually knew *where* some interesting aliens *are* located, wouldn't that give us a good reason to figure out a way to communicate faster or go visit? I always joked that the best way to get a mars mission would be to send up a probe with a big inflatable "ship" (something that looked like it had big guns would be helpful) and make it look like it had crashed on mars. If we thought there was a crashed alien ship on mars, we would have people stepping on the planet in no time flat.
    • Re:Defect (Score:5, Insightful)

      by DaHat ( 247651 ) on Friday May 21, 2004 @11:30AM (#9215707)
      True... and I could give my money to one charity vs another which you or others might think is a better cause... regardless of merit, I spend my dollars and CPU cycles where I choose.
      • True, and I'm just trying to convince you to donate to a different "charity" :-] I've been running UD for 2 or 3 years now, and I'm getting interested in Folding@Home currently (it runs on Linux, unlike UD).
    • Re:Defect (Score:2, Funny)

      by gears5665 ( 699068 )
      uh huh...nice try but I aint gonna fall for it. You just want to get rid of some of your competitors!
    • Re:Defect (Score:3, Funny)

      by znaps ( 470170 )
      Yeah, like where the hell do my socks keep disappearing to?
    • Re:Defect (Score:3, Insightful)

      by kindofblue ( 308225 )
      I totally agree. I still believe that there is intelligent life out there, but we'll never find it. For a universe of 15 billions years in age, intelligent life on earth is a super tiny fraction of that. That's probably the same (order of magnitude) for other solar systems. Statistically speaking, we'll probably have better luck winning the Lotto while being simultaneously struck by lightning, than we will finding radio signals from life forms that overlap temporally with humanity's lifespan and are
  • by drizst 'n drat ( 725458 ) on Friday May 21, 2004 @11:27AM (#9215655)
    This has been an interesting effort that I have supported since it first started. I have over 16780 units completed to date (35.011 years effort in processing time) and hope that it leads to something. Once you get started though its like a drug ... gotta finish more units!
  • Boring (Score:5, Funny)

    by N3koFever ( 777608 ) on Friday May 21, 2004 @11:28AM (#9215675)
    I ran SETI@home for months but I got bored when I didn't find any aliens. What's the point of the game?
  • and.. (Score:5, Funny)

    by MasTRE ( 588396 ) on Friday May 21, 2004 @11:29AM (#9215693)
    In related news, ET turns 22 today
  • by Anonymous Coward
    Intelligent life on Earth
  • Damn! I'm just 36 units away from my 1000 unit milestone...
  • by DrWily ( 660114 ) on Friday May 21, 2004 @11:31AM (#9215710)
    My friend convinced me to start running SETI on any system I came in contact with to see how they benchmark against servers we buy. Right now I run four clients on my home systems and at least three clients at work. It's been fun watching the numbers crank away and comparing our newer systems to when we started some years ago.
  • When we find them, they will tell us that we are too imature a race and to come back in 10,000 year.


    But, "The young ones do not always do as they are told."

  • by millahtime ( 710421 ) on Friday May 21, 2004 @11:31AM (#9215725) Homepage Journal
    Maybe we need to redirect SETI. We should spend all computing cycles finding intelegent life in Washington.
    • by gears5665 ( 699068 ) on Friday May 21, 2004 @11:39AM (#9215857)
      As voters, we only have ourselves to blame.

      • No, as citizens we only have our self to blame, as voters we don't have a good choice to begin with. When offered a cat turd or a dog turd which am I suppose to vote for?

        Politics doesn't attract intelligence on average. typically you don't have a good choice. As citizens intelligent people should be more active in politics.
        • Whichever turd won't ruin your country's reputation and allow evil to dictate policy. If it's the cat turd, vote there. If it's the dog turd, go canine. Woo. Problem solved. I'm awesome. That'll be $10, please.
      • "As voters, we only have ourselves to blame. "

        No you don't. The election was pretty darn close to 50/50. That means that if Gore had been elected, the "looking for intelligent signs of life in Washington" joke would still be funny to half the people.

        So, no, you don't have yourselves to blame. We didn't have an ideal candidate.
      • Don't blame me, I voted for Krang.
  • by maynard ( 3337 ) on Friday May 21, 2004 @11:32AM (#9215734) Journal
    The status and update page sat nearly a year without any change until May 17th when they posted an update explaining why they haven't released any results from last year's Arecibo run. I realize it takes time to collate data. And given the very high and unpredictable latency of the their distributed processing system, I understand why it might take a long time to push data out and get results back. Still, since the project was originally slated to run two years, then extended to five, yet why have we (the public) seen so few results from this program? Even negative results would be of interest. Maybe I'm missing something here, since I don't pay very close attention to the project, but I sure would like to see more published details including core data and methodology instead of a pretty web site and irregular status updates. JMO. --M
  • i hate to say it... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by nappingcracker ( 700750 ) on Friday May 21, 2004 @11:33AM (#9215753)
    its been said before, but-

    wouldnt it be better to donate cycles to something like folding@home, parkinsons and alzheimers disease protein research?

    i dont mean to belittle seti, i think its a wonderful project, and maybe this arguement falls deaf on geek ears (aliens vs disease- woh, war of the worlds:) but id like to see more terran problems solved, no?

    ps i donate all my unused cycles to folding (over genome project, i personally feel that we're going to screw something up with the whole genetic genome geewiz junk)

    • ps i donate all my unused cycles to folding (over genome project, i personally feel that we're going to screw something up with the whole genetic genome geewiz junk)

      And here class, we have the makings of a luddite. Notice how the fear of the unknown leads to rash illogical actions? This effect, is known as the evolution effect. It regresses an otherwise intelligent person into the superstitious fearmongering ancestor of 10,000 years ago. Now imagine if this person had acess to religion to spread his
    • by Stevyn ( 691306 ) on Friday May 21, 2004 @11:48AM (#9215975)
      Um, the aliens have those cures. that's why we're looking for them

      DUH!
    • by NanoGator ( 522640 ) on Friday May 21, 2004 @12:11PM (#9216296) Homepage Journal
      "wouldnt it be better to donate cycles to something like folding@home, parkinsons and alzheimers disease protein research?"

      It's quite nice to hear somebody ask this question so tactfully. Every other time I've heard it, the context was what an idiot I am.

      I chose Seti over the medical research SS's. Why? Because I believe in diversity. To the best of my understanding, SETI has very little in terms of funding and man power, in stark contrast to the medical field where there are lots and lots and lots of people + money trying to cure stuff. I think my time is worth more to Seti than it is to the other projects. (Friendly rebuttals welcome, I'm open to reconsideration...)

      I don't like the idea of abandoning SETI altogether. (Note: You didn't say or imply that, but I've heard others want to take it that far...) We shouldn't totally ignore looking for intelligent life. A lot of interesting stuff happens if the "is there life out there" question turns out to be 'yes'.
    • by Warpedcow ( 180300 ) on Friday May 21, 2004 @12:13PM (#9216326) Homepage Journal
      wouldnt it be better to donate cycles to something like folding@home, parkinsons and alzheimers disease protein research?
      I can't because, only Seti has a client for my computers running OS/2. I'd like to move, but I won't until those other projects support my OS of choice.
    • by Dracolytch ( 714699 ) on Friday May 21, 2004 @12:19PM (#9216448) Homepage
      Having been part of seti@home for quite a while, I had thought about switching... But decided not to.

      Why does society break up into researching different things? Why shouldn't we find the #1 killer disease, focus ALL of our money at it, solve that, and move on? Sure, it's not as simple as that, but it also goes down to drive.

      We work with charities and groups that touch our lives, soul or imagination. When friends and family are stricken with a disease, we are more likely to donate to a group trying to cure that disease.

      Ultimately it comes to this: SETI is a dream that I share with the founders of the project. It's something I could see myself persuing in some other life. It's a lottery that, if you win, you don't know what the prize will be. Maybe it will re-focus our community a bit more away from commercialism, and more towards exploration and discovery. Maybe we win nothing.

      I'm in it for the journey, not the destination.

      ~D
    • Well personally, I don't want to waste my cycles searching for intelligent life in space.

      I haven't entirely given up on finding it on Earth...

      (rimshot)
      -WS
    • by beegle ( 9689 ) *
      I'm in a similar camp, only my concerns are about power.

      When SETI@Home came out, it was one of the only games in town, and computer power management was rare and didn't work well. The computer was going to use 100 watts whether you were using it or not, so it made more sense to put it to use.

      Today, there's a very good chance that if you leave your computer idle, it'll eventually go into some sort of reduced-power mode. Given the complicated nature of the world energy situation (Californai blackouts, war
  • by PenguinOpus ( 556138 ) on Friday May 21, 2004 @11:35AM (#9215785)
    When I saw this on slashdot, I thought that I had been doing SETI@Home for much longer than that, but apparently I registered May 16th, 1999, early in the UTC. Their news release puts the anniversay as May 17th.

    Was that really their first day?
  • by Stack_13 ( 619071 ) on Friday May 21, 2004 @11:35AM (#9215789)
    This reminds me of the time when I was *really* enthusiatic about Seti@home. Having a shell account on a university mainframe, I devised a clever script which launched setiathome client every night at 8 PM, and terminated them at 8 AM.

    Problem was that something went slightly wrong with the Solaris server resulting in a crash of the server. This was probably unrelated to my setiathome processes (?), but one of the memory dump files had my user ID on them. Nearly lost my privileges - luckily the university IT folks were kind enough to let me off with just a warning.

    • You are nicer than I ever was!

      Back at my old U we had a pair of sun servers, on a 4 proc machine I'd throw 3-4 instances up and let em each have their own CPU for as long as they were running (no scripts to kill em involved).

      Trying to be a lil more clever though (in a way), I changed the app names so they wouldn't appear as seti, and every now and then the admin would see what looked like run away procs and kill em... and a lil later I'd rerun em.

      At a later date, a hardware memory error (ie one of the di
  • by Zak3056 ( 69287 ) on Friday May 21, 2004 @11:39AM (#9215852) Journal
    Uhh, SETI@Home turned five years old on May 17th, 2004. If you're going to announce an anniversary, you should at least get it right!

  • I have been a user since last year and collected 10000 work units, then i moved to both the folding@home and climatepredicton projects.

    Why ? because i strongly suspect they'd waste CPU cycles on the same work units rather than say: hey, "5 MILLION user are enough" we have found this and that, and until new funding arrives you better move on to other projects.

    The "current progress" page hasn't been updated in years, so the "future direction" page, look for yourself ...
  • by Himring ( 646324 )
    Isn't there an inherent problem with SETI as it exists? Isn't it geared to search for life like us instead of life, period? Sure, a patch of moss won't put up a radio signal, but have equal efforts been made to discover planets which could house lower forms of life as has been put into, basically, finding "people" out in space (which is what we're really doing by looking for the evidence we're looking for in SETI)? Does anyone have any comparisons of resources spent? My point is, perhaps SETI should be
    • It's an obvious problem, but a first contact has to be understood by both parties, and that includes us. Radio transmissions have their limitations, but it's really the best long-range technology we have right now.
    • but have equal efforts been made to discover planets which could house lower forms of life[?]

      Absolutely! In fact, tons more effort has been put into discovering planets which could house lower forms of life.

      There's just one problem we can't do it yet. It's *much* harder to do! The only way to do it would be by spectroscopy on light from the planet, and we can't do that yet, but it's being worked on. That's what the Terrestrial Planet Finder is for, and it will cost huge amounts more than SETI@home ever di
  • On a side note: Are there any free and open distributed computing projects? I run Seti@Home, and Folding@Home looks interesting, but it would be great to have some free projects around.
    It sort of fits the spirit of what they're doing better.
  • by joper90 ( 669321 ) on Friday May 21, 2004 @11:42AM (#9215900)
    readining this reminds me of my best joke on a work mate ever.

    He was always forever installing bloody seti on every machine server in the building..

    So i played a joke, installed a app on his machine which at random points (i controlled) ping up and say it had found a singnal etc etc etc.. i used the seti gfx etc etc.

    He got really excited, so of course we went one stage further.. The seti app told him that the signals were getting sent off for analysis, and someone would contact him shortly.

    We then (other had now joined in) continued to make him jump out of his seat and explain "its happened again." while the rest of tried to stop laughing.

    So an spoofed email address was setup and we emailed him from seti.. told him they were getting looked at etc..

    Over the period of a couple of weeks we got the noise off the film contact, and mixed it with white noies.. luckly he had not seen contact. it started off really quite quiet in the background, and each email it got better and more and more clearer.

    It was genuis.. we couldn't stop laughing.. he was telling his friend family etc etc etc that hed discovered possible alien life contact..

    Of course.. we then relised we had gone slighly too far and had to tell him..

    he was not a happy bunny..
    • Reminds me of something similar I did to a co-worker.

      I wrote and designed this application that perfectly simulated seti@home and it too popped up and informed him that he found a signal. Then I wrote a spoof email as if it was sent from seti@home telling him that they would be in contact with him.

      I hired 5 actors and got Air Force uniforms for them to wear, making sure their hair cuts were just right, and then proceeded to go to his house and give him some garbage that I had written out as a script. They
  • by lildogie ( 54998 ) on Friday May 21, 2004 @11:44AM (#9215919)
    I've always marvelled at the concept of connecting our planetary network to a big open port aimed at space, hoping some packets of alien email might arrive.

    Let's hope we get a chance to think before someone opens the attachment.
  • 5 years ... (Score:3, Informative)

    by ciupman ( 413849 ) <luis.pinto@gmail ... inus threevowels> on Friday May 21, 2004 @11:49AM (#9215995) Homepage
    ... and 0 aliens ;)
  • CPU Time Used (Score:3, Interesting)

    by semaj ( 172655 ) on Friday May 21, 2004 @11:49AM (#9215997) Journal
    Does anyone know (can be bothered to work out) what else could have been done with all the CPU time they've been donated?

    Don't get me wrong, I run SETI@home myself, I'm just wondering, say, how much of the 2048 bit keyspace needed for signing Xbox executables could have been searched? How far would the TivoCrack project have got if they'd had access to that amount of computing power? I'm just curious really.
    • "Does anyone know (can be bothered to work out) what else could have been done with all the CPU time they've been donated?"

      It'd be awesome if they had found a way to distribute 3D rendering that way. It'd be interesting to see just how much could have been done.
    • 2048 bit space? Lets do some math, ok? Forget 2048 bit. Lets talk 512 bit for now.

      2^512 possibilities

      Assuming every PC can do a billion operations per second (~2^30) and there are about 16 million users (2^24). Lets say there are 2^17 seconds in a day (its somewhere between 2^17 and 2^16) and 2^9 days in a year. Lets say the program was 8 years old instead (2^3)

      That gives you 2^(30+24+17+9+3)=2^83 operations so far

      You've completed 1 part in 1386334847060407429789207092071541851718218537687 9 08287585
  • by dmccarty ( 152630 ) on Friday May 21, 2004 @11:55AM (#9216085)
    SETI@home user for: 4.418 years

    I've been running SETI clients for a while now, and I suppose if someone asked my why I do it, I would say that I do it now just because I did it before.

    I don't have any illusions about actually finding intelligent, extraterrestrial communications with SETI anymore. (And if anyone does, I'm not holding out hope that it's me.) In fact, I think that we should seriously question whether the entire premise of SETI@home--that other life forms would transmit data at the radio frequency of water--is still valid. Is it reasonable to assume that two completely different creatures would logically arrive at the same conclusion for how to communicate? Considering the amount of diversity on our planet alone, maybe not.

    Could a blind man and a deaf man put together in a giant, dark auditorium find a way to communicate? That would be the easy problem; the hard one is finding a way to communicate with any intelligent life that's light years away out there.

    Assuming it's out there in the first place...

  • by PSaltyDS ( 467134 ) on Friday May 21, 2004 @11:56AM (#9216090) Journal
    ...refusing to produce their proof of extraterrestrial inteligence untill the universe allows them to examine every electromagnetic quanta. Microsoft is likely funding them (via a skunk-works shop in Area-51) to spread fear, uncertainty and doubt about us being the center of the universe.
  • I run SETI@home. There's a bunch of biotech, math, and encryption projects that don't interest me much. What are some distributed projects in other categories? I used to run evolution@home, any others?
  • Regulation (Score:2, Funny)

    by regjoe ( 772900 )
    I bet we have found signals. The FCC is now fining them for broadcasting on a frequency already assigned to a different carrier...
  • I still wonder... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by bigattichouse ( 527527 ) on Friday May 21, 2004 @12:04PM (#9216201) Homepage
    Every experiment needs a control. As a control, they should send out a small probe and look backwards at earth on the same frequency(s) and see if the SETI clients consistently discover transmissions from earth... this would at least go a long way to prove if the tests are even valid. (or just point an antenna at chicago, or up in the mountains looking down on san francisco.
  • by Dracolytch ( 714699 ) on Friday May 21, 2004 @12:07PM (#9216233) Homepage
    Not only has it turned five, but it also hit 5 million users sometime between yesterday and today. I was on yesterday afternoon, and noticed it was about 400 people away.

    Number of users at the time of this writing: 5,000,769

    ~D
  • So what's the story behind the classic WOW!-signal [bigear.org]?
  • by MarvinMouse ( 323641 ) on Friday May 21, 2004 @12:13PM (#9216330) Homepage Journal


    Okay, why the heck are we wasting so much processing power on something that will likely never yield anything useful for the human race. It's like a processing power lottery, where the probabilities of anything are so remote that the expected payoff is nil in the long run.

    Now, there are distributed computing programs that have actually brought results and helped humanity. For example: http://folding.stanford.edu . IF these 5 million users all installed folding at home, could you imagine the advancements and help to medical science we'd see in the next 5 years. As opposed to absolutely nothing gained whatsoever by SETI@home? (Other than the fact that they were the first people to do distributed computing. afaik.)

    And if folding doesn't work for you, there are dozens of other much more useful distributed computing projects which have given results and are more or less guaranteed to give more results than this complete and total waste of money, time and processing power.

    Let's try to help the human race instead of wasting our time looking for someone else.

    geez.

    • by ChuckleBug ( 5201 ) * on Friday May 21, 2004 @01:15PM (#9217461) Journal
      Why are you posting on slashdot rather than doing something to help humanity? Why play a video game when you can do something else that will actually help humanity? Why go to a movie when you can be doing something to help humanity? Why waste your time having fun, making love, playing games, exercising, writing poetry, painting, arguing - anything at all that's not helping the human race?

      This isn't a zero-sum game. People get into seti@home because it's intriguing - there is zero chance that if you could wish seti@home into the cornfield, those 5 million people would sign up for folding@home.

      Not only that, but I don't feel like there's an ethical lapse in donating spare cycles to a longshot like seti@home. I can do plenty of socially useful things while my work computer is churning away on seti data.

      BTW, I tried to do folding@home (I have a biochem background and find that really intriguing), but have had nothing but problems with the Mac client. There's another folding project, whose name I can't remember, that was also impractical on my Mac. I'll keep going back. But my point is that nobody can make everything they do socially significant - so I have a problem with your implied (false) dichotomy of "Do something else/Completely wasting your time."

      "The time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time." - Bertrand Russell
  • by Dan Crash ( 22904 ) on Friday May 21, 2004 @12:14PM (#9216337) Journal
    SETI@home has been getting dissed a lot lately. "Why are you wasting your cycles on this useless project?" some geeks ask. "Why aren't you spending them predicting climate change [climateprediction.net], fighting AIDS [scripps.edu] or curing Alzheimer's [stanford.edu]? You could be saving people from anthrax [d2ol.com], smallpox [d2ol.com], Ebola [d2ol.com], or SARS [d2ol.com]."

    These are all noble goals, worth pursuing. But SETI has a noble goal that doesn't get talked about very much.

    Most SETI research so far has been focused on the so-called "Water Hole", the quietest part of the radio spectrum which happens to fall between the radio spikes of hydrogen and hydroxyl, around 1.4 gigahertz. If there's another water-based civilization out there, it's easy to see that this is a logical place to broadcast or listen. (Projects like Danny Hillis' Clock of the Long Now [longnow.org] enable me to imagine a future in which we broadcast a message of our own, someday.)

    "So what happens if you listen and you don't hear anything?" you ask. Well, even if we drain the Water Hole and find nothing, we'll still have learned a great deal from the process. We'll know there likely aren't any civilizations remotely like us in our galaxy. We'll know that previous civilizations, if there were any, were not able to sustain themselves. We'll know that intelligent life is fleeting and precious in the universe. And this should make us think hard about our own civilization.

    If we're ever forced to acknowledge that there are no intelligent radio signals in the universe, then we must also acknowledge that the odds of our own survival just became much bleaker. Knowing that space is quiet means it's more important for us to be careful than we thought. The longer we search without finding any intelligent signals, the more likely it becomes that intelligent civilization isn't some pretty 4th of July sparkler; it's nitroglycerin, waiting to explode. This is incredibly valuable knowledge, life or death knowledge that's worth going after.

    The biggest reason to look for a signal in the first place isn't to commune with E.T., but out of pure self-interest. Any number of systems failures could wipe us out as a species, from a single well-designed terrorist plague to GMOs with unforeseen environmental consequences. How do we as a society learn to play nice with technology? Has anyone else in the universe done it? If we found evidence that someone out there had, it would stand as a beacon, showing that we can probably do it, too. And if we don't find a signal, it means a bell is probably tolling our end somewhere, and we'd better think long and hard how to change that.

    So feel good about SETI. It's not just about searching for aliens, it's about searching for a cure for extinction.
  • by Mustang Matt ( 133426 ) on Friday May 21, 2004 @12:18PM (#9216422)
    Have they ever predicted how much power has been used to search over the past 5 years?
  • I run folding@home and seti@home as Linux services via sysvinit. They run with

    nice -20

    and are mostly unnoticed - except that the load average never goes below 1.0 (for one project running) or 2.0 (for two projects running). Then, I have to tune lots of other daemons that stop working when the LA goes above some level - typically defaulting to 1.0. For instance, sendmail will only queue mail unless you tune QUEUE_LA and REFUSE_LA.

    I would like to have explicit support for background processes like th

  • by Arcturax ( 454188 ) on Friday May 21, 2004 @12:31PM (#9216691)
    What I would like to see would be an @home project to process data taken on stars to search for wobble or to filter an image of a star from say Hubble over and over looking for telltale signs of less than jupiter sized planets.

    Of course there is only currently a limited number of telescopes that can collect such data but that should increase in the next 20 years. I hope to see enough of such data to let us start looking for actual planets and enough of it that an @home is required for that too. That will help us zero in on possible inhabited worlds far more effeciently than searching for random gaussians will.
  • by xmas2003 ( 739875 ) on Friday May 21, 2004 @01:00PM (#9217199) Homepage
    While SETI is the granddaddy of the distributed computing projects, there are now a number of others one out there, and I'd suggest folks interested consider Folding@home run outa Stanford University [stanford.edu] where they are using the idle CPU cycles for protein folding research on cures for diseases.

    While most /.'ers will probably run the FAH client, even Google supports Folding@home - read more at their Google Compute FAQ [google.com] which allows you to run it as part of the Google Toolbar - heck, I even have my mother helping out this way since it is so super-easy to install.

    And if you do decide to support Folding@home, consider joining a team - if you don't have one, you are welcome to sign up for my Google Compute team ;-) [powder2glass.com]

  • Drake's First Result (Score:3, Interesting)

    by DynaSoar ( 714234 ) * on Friday May 21, 2004 @01:26PM (#9217632) Journal
    "SETI began in 1960 with the efforts of Cornell University astronomer Frank Drake, whose Project Ozma became the first modern SETI experiment in history."

    Frank Drake did receive a message during Project Ozma. One night, he started picking up, of all things, Morse code. When decoded, the message read "Message received. Send more Chuck Berry." Nobody ever owned up to the gag.
  • by yulek ( 202118 ) on Saturday May 22, 2004 @06:31PM (#9226762) Homepage Journal
    SETI is bunk [epinions.com]. do something useful [climateprediction.net] with your free CPU cycles instead.

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