Hairy Adhesives

Ant writes "Science Daily has an article about scientists having found that the way spiders stick to ceilings could be the key to making Post-it notes that don't fall off even when they are wet. A team from Germany and Switzerland have made the first detailed examinations of a jumping spider's 'foot' and have discovered that a molecular force sticks the spider to almost anything. The force is so strong that these spiders could carry over 170 times their own body weight while standing on the ceiling. The research is published today (Monday 19 April 2004) in the Institute of Physics journal Smart Materials and Structures." Other researchers are actually exploring ways to make a sort of non-glue adhesive tape.

"standing on the ceiling"

[Rick the Red]

That's a neat trick. I always thought it was "hanging from the ceiling."

Re:"standing on the ceiling"

[BinLadenMyHero]

If you is attached to the ceiling, you would be hanging, but the spider just stands there.
Just as you can say the condor can "stand" still on the sky, as oposed to "fly".

Re:If spiders are so tough

[Dros68]

If your "can" eats spiders then you should get on Stupid Human Tricks for sure.

Re:If spiders are so tough

[Anonymous Coward]

Sorry, I cat spell.

Re:If spiders are so tough

[BinLadenMyHero]

Funny, I misread that as "why can my cat eat them..."

One thing that's never been clear

[Smidge204]

There's been a few stories about how spiders and geckos and the like have "super atomic grip" that allows them to cling to just about any surface. What always kinda throws me is, if these critters can theoretically hold many times their own body weight with the adhesive force of their feet... how do they manage to walk?

Finally, the article gives a rational answer! Huzzah for science!
=Smidge=

Re:One thing that's never been clear

[bigg_nate]

From the article:

The total van der Waals force on the spider's feet is very strong, but it is the sum of many very small forces on each molecule. The researchers believe the spider lifts its leg so that the setules are lifted successively, not all at once, and it does not need to be very strong to do this. All you would have to do to lift a future kind of Post-it® note is peel it off slowly.

Re:One thing that's never been clear

[Smidge204]

From my post to which you replied:

Finally, the article gives a rational answer! Huzzah for science!

=Smidge=

Re:One thing that's never been clear

[ACPosterChild]

With geckos, they have overlapping scales/hairs that they can control. When they step down, they "unfold" and end up with a ton of surface area contact. When they pick the foot up, they re-fold, decreasing the surface area with a peeling motion.

clues from nature

[sharkdba]

...the way spiders stick to ceilings could be the key to making Post-it notes that don't fall off even when they are wet.

Taking clues from nature in various engineering projects is excellent idea, since nature is simply so much more advanced in a lot of examples. Bats' radar system comes to mind, I believe this was studied as well.

Re:clues from nature

[RebelWithoutAClue]

Its nice to know we can beat nature in atleast _some_ aspects though. :)

Got to hand it to them

[Anonymous Coward]

"the key to making Post-it notes that don't fall off even when they are wet."

Hurrah - one of the great problems of our times is about to be solved! But seriously, a quick experiment with a post-it note and my bottle of whisky shows that they stick rather well when wet.

Re:Got to hand it to them

[slickwillie]

Yah, I've never had a problem with my post-its getting too wet to operate correctly.

But the thought of supporting 170 times my weight is interesting. Can I climb up the sides of tall buildings clutching a handful of post-its?

Re:Got to hand it to them

[Zordak]

No, it would only support 170 times the weight of the Post-it note, which would be like the weight of your shoe or something.

"help post-it notes stick even when wet"

[ignorant_newbie]

yeah - that's it. what we need is water-proof adhesive to stick 2 pieces of paper together. cause it's not like paper is water soluable or anything...

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Where's the obligatory "spider man joke"?

[rogabean]

Hmmm I know I put it somewhere... probaly on one of these Post-It Notes around here...bah they are all stuck together!

link?

[chachob]

hmm...why is the link to Post-It notes to the post-it software? those don't need to be stuck to a surface...

Re:link?

[Roman_(ajvvs)]

irony, maybe?

We've known gecko feet work like this for years

[infernow]

I don't think this is as much of a breakthrough as the article makes it out to be. We've known that geckos use Van der Waals forces to climb things for years.

Here's an article from nature.com [nature.com] from 2000 that talks about gecko feet, and here's another [nature.com] from 2002 about how scientists have developed prototype adhesives based on what they learned from geckos. One of the articles even talks about experiments from 30 years ago, wherein researchers found that geckos do not stick to Teflon, which does not produce Van der Waals forces.

So while we may not have known that spiders use Van der Waals forces as well, we have known for years that animals have been using the force to stick to things.

Re:We've known gecko feet work like this for years

[Cyno01]

Heh, why did i get a funny visual of sliding a gecko around in a non-stick pan. Kinda like that one simpsons where bart drops maggie into the teflon bowl. "hey look lisa, non-stick"...

Good For The Kids!

[bruthasj]

So, does this mean I can drag around misbehaving children with the next generation of PostIt notes?

Obstacle

[Dachannien]

One of the biggest problems in developing a gecko- or spider-inspired adhesive is that the hairs on the feet of the gecko (and likely the spider as well) have lots of regular branching that are very difficult to fabricate non-biologically. The branching structure increases the surface area of the keratin by some very large factor, which increases the adhesion of the material.

This means that, before this stuff can be produced as an ultra-strong adhesive, we will need to understand - and replicate/emulate - the biological process by which the hairs are produced.

Re:Obstacle

[hutkey]

no problem to this,
whnever i shave, hair are produced...errr..grown
any takers?

Re:Obstacle

[psyconaut]

Not least to mention that the gecko foot hairs are almost nano-scale and it's partly the immense surface area that creates the adhesion via nano-scale surface tension.

-psy

Cool party trick ...

[CrypticSparrow]

A cool party trick would be to put the post-it notes on your shoes to walk on the ceiling. Of course, this could become dangerous after a few drinks ....

Re:Cool party trick ...

[Carnildo]

You mean like this [crfh.net]?

Better Post-it Notes

[rpiquepa]

You'll find extra references and pictures on my blog [weblogs.com].

Automobile tires

[ChrisMaple]

Can you imagine not having to slow down for curves? Climbing Mt. Everest in a Buick? Or parking on the roof of a tunnel?

Re:Automobile tires

[bob65]

hmmmm I'm not sure we want tires to "stick" to the road. I think we just want the surface to not give when moved parallel to the road.

Re:Automobile tires

[PHPhD2B]

That is the funniest thought ever ... Seeing a Buick Roadmaster Wagon on top of Mt. Everest, with cans of Kool-Aid and noodles in the back seat and four backpacks in the rear :)