Cooking with the Internet? 478
VonGuard asks: "Not all of you live on ramen and coffee. At some point, you have to cook, and the Internet should be a great place to find recipes. Is there a Google for recipes. And why isn't there a larger open cookbook on the net? So, is anyone working on this, or is there something the rest of us don't know about yet?"
One suggestion... (Score:5, Informative)
Google is your friend (Score:4, Informative)
Here is the first result, just to get you started : Allrecipes index of 23,000 recipes [allrecipes.com].
Seriously? (Score:5, Informative)
To answer your question though, I think this [altonbrown.com] link should be more than Slashdot worthy. The show is great, sufficiently geeky, and life is simply too short not to eat.....Good Eats.
There are many, many other links to recipes on the Internet. Food Network [foodtv.com] is one and Epicurious [epicurious.com] are the other principle resources I use.
Several reasons against a central source. (Score:4, Informative)
I'm not sure a central repository is all that necessary. It's relatively easy to find five variations on whatever I want to cook, from which I can place a pretty educated guess as to which recipe I would rather use. (Based on ingredients, obvious "convenience substitutions", etc.) It's really a fascinating practice: looking at five different recipes, seeing their similarities and differences, learning the central core theme to the composition, and seeing where different cooks have developed their own riffs.
(I guess I'm saying that if you want a large collection of standard recipes, go buy your requisite copy of the Joy of Cooking. Otherwise, embrace heterogeneity.)
I really haven't explained why a central Google/Open/Wiki cookbook would work against this. I just think that once people saw a recipe had been submitted, they would be less inclined to upload their slightly different version. Maybe such a global project would benefit by somehow encouraging the submission of many varieties, including a "moderation system" by which culinary enthusiasts might edit the variations-on-a-theme and even write editorials on how and why the variations exist, which provide useful time-saving substitutions, when a certain ingredient of method is really necessary to make the "Real McCoy", etc.
Another thing worth mentioning: there are already dozens of "cooking sites" that provide this service, most of them are very "open" allowing easy submission and access. I think a big Open Initiative is successful when there AREN'T pre-existing sites providing a service, or when the sites try to restrict access by forcing a paid subscription model. (Like Wikipedia to online Encyclopedias.) The addition of some generic Open cooking site would become "just another cooking site".
A funny side-note. I've benefitted by the LACK of such a central source. I have a website that I've been cultivating for under a year, where I've put creative (written, artistic, photographic, computing, etc.) works. I've done everything possible to cultivate this site so that visitors would come to it. The thing that brings the most visitors to my site? My "Basic Crepe Recipe". For some funny reason nobody else in the world has a higher Google-ranked Basic Crepe Recipe. (Okay, recently I got knocked down to #2.) So this little "afterthought" has become a leading constant influx of visitors.
Re:Why? (Score:5, Informative)
Foot Network [foodnetwork.com]
Re:One suggestion... (Score:5, Informative)
Did the questioner do even a basic look around or search?
Wikibooks-cookbook (Score:5, Informative)
Re:One suggestion... (Score:5, Informative)
BBC Food (Score:5, Informative)
John
Recipesource.com (Score:3, Informative)
http://www.recipesource.com/
I recommend the apple roast hadrosaur.
Re:One suggestion... (Score:3, Informative)
Try it. Your health will thank you you'll be building up good karma and trust me, you won't smell bad
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Re:One suggestion... (Score:2, Informative)
www.foodnetwork.com has tousands of recipes you can browse as well. i watch the shows, when i see something i like, i hop online and get a list of what i need, and have it for dinner that week.
Epicurious (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Seriously? (Score:2, Informative)
it's an Urban Legend (Score:5, Informative)
That's a standard Urban Legend, though it's more often a cookie recipe. Check out Snopes for the details [snopes.com].
And for those disinclined to click links, a summary:
Taco The Octopus (Score:2, Informative)
www.8legged.com [8legged.com]
Re:duh (Score:3, Informative)
Try this [google.ca] for chicken, or this [google.ca] for beef, and so on.
Re:One suggestion... (Score:4, Informative)
Alternative student cooking (Score:2, Informative)
How about this Google hack? (Score:5, Informative)
http://www.researchbuzz.org/archives/001404.shtml [researchbuzz.org]
SOAR has 70,000 recipes (Score:5, Informative)
Here's the skinny from their About Us page:
While RecipeSource may be one of the newest recipe sites on the Internet, we're also one of the oldest. Our collection was started in 1993 by Jennifer Snider when she discovered the wonders of Usenet newsgroups & Internet mailing lists as a student at the University of California at Berkeley. She started saving recipes posted to those sources and soon amassed thousands of recipes. When her friends found out about the collection, we encouraged her to put them on the web, and she agreed, provided we helped her. After several months of hard work, the recipes first appeared on the web in 1995 as SOAR: The Searchable Online Archive of Recipes. From our start with around 10,000 recipes we've grown the collection to 7 times that size, and had our pages accessed millions of times from around the world. Thanks to our popularity, we've outgrown our original home, so we've moved the collection here to RecipeSource.com, where we hope it will continue to grow, while providing better response time and a better search engine than our old site.
Re:One suggestion... (Score:5, Informative)
Have you tried cooking with google [researchbuzz.org]?
Recipe Index (Score:5, Informative)
this is funny (Score:5, Informative)
Granted all my recipes are family recipes and it's nowhere near ready for mass consumption but there are recipes everywhere. allrecipes.com has already been mentioned but there are some other good sites:
http://www.recipesource.com/
http://www.
http://eat.epicurious.com/
http:
Of course if you are looking for something google can be your best resource.
Hopefully I will eventually have something that I feel is good enough to release. While I am using mysql, since I am using dbi (for the perl end) and qt for the c++ end it should be able to use any database that these support with just a recompile. Let me know if there is really an interest in this and I could try and release something soon. I'd give my web site but it's on my cablemodem which I'm not supposed to run a server off of.
Re:Decent Curry (Score:5, Informative)
There is also the Gits brand, which offers many type of dessert mixes you can prepare easily. I've always liked the fried milk balls, and with a 2$ pouch I can make enough to last for a week.
Then there's the Haldiram's Soan. Oh my God, I can't even describe it. A mix between Halvah and cotton candy, with an exotic flowery aroma? Anyways, at 5$ for a pound of them, you can't go wrong.
Re:icbdb (Score:2, Informative)
We've had a lot of success using a "recipe" model at our current web site tech-recipes.com. [tech-recipes.com]
People submit the recipes. People review and grade the information. Then you have a good little collection of worthwhile "tech" recipes.
We did computer-related information because our geek factor >> cooking factor.
-=slameless plug mode off=-
I agree that a large internet cookbook database would be wonderful...however, the problem with most "recipes" is that they are instructions -- not lessons. I don't want to know that I should add the milk after the flour; I want to know WHY I should add the milk after the flour.
By personality, geek-type people want to hack and explore stuff. Blindly creating food dishes from instruction is not very creative nor stimulating.
I think that is why so many people here on Slashdot love Alton Brown. He teaches and informs.
Forget the database of food recipes...
I want a database of food lessons... or at least to encourage people posting recipes to explain the science and thoughts behind their suggestions.
Re:Seriously? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Google is my recipe book (Score:3, Informative)
SOAR (Score:3, Informative)
anyway, they still have a large collection of pretty good recipes
Re:Basic Dirty Martini (Score:3, Informative)
Uhh, whole channel dedicated to it... (Score:3, Informative)
-Vic
How about Categories? Google doesn't do that? (Score:5, Informative)
http://www.cookbook.com/ [cookbook.com]
http://www.allrecipes.com/ [allrecipes.com]
http://www.foodnetwork.com/ [foodnetwork.com]
http://eat.epicurious.com/ [epicurious.com]
http://recipedelights.com/index6271m.htm [recipedelights.com]
http://www.bbc.co.uk/food/ [bbc.co.uk]
http://www.bbc.co.uk/food/recipes/ [bbc.co.uk]
http://www.recipesource.com/ [recipesource.com]
http://www.meals.com/Index/Index.aspx?Theme=0 [meals.com]
http://www.altonbrown.com/ [altonbrown.com]
BTW I did this for me so I can look them up easier! Thanks for the links everyone.
Don't forget... (Score:3, Informative)
A bit of a plug here, but still a good resource nonetheless...
Ars Bachelor Chow! [arstechnica.com]: It's a 50+ page book chock full of great (and a few not-so-great) recipes for geek bachelors. Hey, it's probably better than the bachelor chow advertised on Futurama... ^_^
Re:Epicurious (Score:5, Informative)
Life's too short (Score:3, Informative)
Some gems from Project Gutenberg (Score:4, Informative)
Mrs. Beeton's Book of Household Management [gutenberg.net]
Moxon's English Housewifery Exemplified [gutenberg.net]
Two interesting early vegetarian cook-books:
The Healthy Life Cook-Book [gutenberg.net]
The Reform Cookery Book [gutenberg.net]
Of historical interest:
The Form Of Cury [gutenberg.net] -- in Middle English.
This is just a sample -- there are many more (search Gutenberg.net [gutenberg.net] for 'cook' or 'cookery').
Re:Cooking with google.. (Score:5, Informative)
you could make a "salad" with crunched up ramen (I'm assuming you're using dry?) and sliced mushrooms, and use the hoisin sauce as a dressing.
Or you could crush the ramen, remove the mushroom stems, and mush it up with some hoisin sauce, and stuff this into the mushrooms and bake them. (a little butter will help).
YOu could make traditional ramen, add sliced mushrooms and flavor with hoisin sauce.
Or put it all a blender add water and ice, and make a mushroom, hoisin, ramen shake. Mmmmmm...
In French... (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Cooking with google.. (Score:4, Informative)
Hoisin is one of those sauces where the way to get the strongest flavor out of it is to heat it a bit before eating.
Google rec.food.recipes (Score:3, Informative)
where to find recipes and other culinary info (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Decent Curry (Score:4, Informative)
I'm sorry, but the secret should NEVER be a specific brand of spice blends. Seriously. The secret is probably a spice or spices that are hard to find in american supermarkets, but that doesn't mean you should stick to one name brand of spices.
Sorry, I guess I should explain my paranoia. You see, I have this thought that were I to move, and be uprooted from my network of grocery stores, I may not be able to find the same brands later on. Thus, I feel that I cannot get too attached to brands, and instead need to learn the core essence of cooking and how to make things from scratch.
However, it is true you might be able to find certain ethnic ingredients only at those stores. For example, sichuan peppercorns are now banned for sale in the US (there was a NY Times article on it, technically they're considered a fruit). I cook a LOT of chinese food, sichuan in particular, so I managed to get them from behind the counter thanks to flirting with the girl who works at the local chinese supermarket (where they speak next to no english).
You'd be surprised what you can find at these 'hole in the wall' ethnic places.
Everything2 (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Dont' forget the old Digital Corporation Recipe (Score:2, Informative)
Brian states in the introduction:
Brian took great care in moderating the group. All units of measure were handled in a way that allowed their conversion between imperial and metric units; Brian also tried to avoid tainting the collection with copyrighted material. The use of the troff macros resulted in recipes, that even today, appear very nice when typeset.In 1993 I converted the Cookbook into a Windows Help file. The conversion was done from the original unformated recipe troff texts, in order to properly translate all character codes, create a list of search keys, and hieararchical content tables. I downloaded the file from its web page [spinellis.gr], and it still works.
Diomidis Spinellis - #include "/dev/tty"
Re:One suggestion... (Score:3, Informative)
Cook's Illustrated: For Cooking Geeks (Score:3, Informative)
Cook's Illustrated [cooksillustrated.com] selects recipes and exhaustively tests variations to come up with the easiest or best tasting recipe. They investigate why certain varieties of potatoes are good in different recipes, for instance. They'll explain why you should soak fries in ice water before frying them. They'll explain the tricks in getting the meringue right.
If you want recipes with the best results for the effort or you want to learn the underlying theory, Cook's is great. (They also have a PBS show called America's Test Kitchen.)
Re:One suggestion... (Score:3, Informative)
thanks. I think its sushi for diner tonight.
I was doing some digging through old apache logs recnetly, and way back when my system was still just an old p100 off a dsl line, seems I was getting alot of hits through goodle for a couple of recipes I put up...
SO i created a cookbook section of the current site and put up at least one of the recipes...
Thing is, I can never get the basmati rice to come out right. Anyone know how to cook it persian style and wanna give me a hint?
I wash my rice with alot of water and salt... then boil it 4-5 mins in alot
of water until it i smostly cooked, but still just a tiny bit of crunch left.
Then I strain it, rince with cold water...
heat up the pot woth some olive oil in the bottom... throw the rice in,
cover with a paper towel and then the lid, and leave it on very low until
water steams off when flicked from my fingers to the pot.
But the bottom of the pot always burns. Anyone know?
-steve
uh... there is a google for cookbooks... (Score:3, Informative)
*Shrug*
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Re:Basic Dirty Martini (Score:2, Informative)
-1 martini glass, chilled but not frosted
-1 splash of chilled, dry vermouth
-1 shot of good gin (I like Bombay Sapphire, but Tanqueray is also popular.)
-1-2 green olives (substitute a cocktail onion for a Gibson)
Pour a little bit of the vermouth in the glass and swirl it around to coat the inside of the glass. Skewer an olive or two on a toothpick and toss 'em in the glass. Pour a bit of the vermouth from the glass into a shaker filled with ice. Add the gin to the shaker. Wrap the shaker in a towel and shake vigorously for at least a minute. Pour into the martini glass. Enjoy.
A few notes:
-Gin used to have a much stronger juniper flavor. The vermouth was used to cut the gin to make the flavor more mild. The olive does the same thing and looks pretty. These days, most gin has a milder flavor to begin with, hence the contempt for vermouth.
-There's no such thing as a "gin martini". All martinis are gin martinis unless you specify a substitute, like the "vodka martini".
-Yes, a martini is basically very cold weak gin. That's sort of the point: have you tried straight warm gin? It's too strong for most people. When you make it colder and weaker, it tastes almost sweet. It also has a "breathing icy air" effect like eating a strong mint.
-Presentation matters. At all times, act like you know what you're doing. If you spill anything over the edge of the glass, wipe the glass before serving. Ideally, you want a faint condensation on the outside of the glass, and a slight swirl of olive oils on the surface of the drink.
Re:Don't forget... (Score:2, Informative)
You want good spices? (Score:1, Informative)
Look no further.
Try their vietnamese cinnamon... Makes the best oatmeal cookies and carrot cake ever.