Famous Hawking Black Hole Bet Resolved? 500
Mick Ohrberg writes "In 1997 the three cosmologists Stephen Hawking, Kip Thorne and John Preskill made a famous bet as to whether information that enters a black hole ceases to exist -- that is, whether the interior of a black hole is changed at all by the characteristics of particles that enter it. It now looks like Stephen Hawking and Kip Thorne may owe John Preskill a set of encyclopedias of his choice, since physicists at Ohio State University 'have derived an extensive set of equations that strongly suggest that the information continues to exist -- bound up in a giant tangle of strings that fills a black hole from its core to its surface.'"
stephen lost (Score:5, Funny)
Re: encyclopaediae (Score:5, Funny)
Do they take Wiki? [wikipedia.org]
Tangle of strings? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Hawking radiation (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Hawking radiation (Score:4, Funny)
Now I want you to repeat after me:
- First
- Post
- !
Let's get closer... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Is it me (Score:4, Funny)
Now, I forgot what it was that I thought I knew.
As soon as we figure out how to retrieve ... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Tracing origins... (Score:5, Funny)
"Is there a cosmologist in the house? Anyone? My god, get this man a cosmologist!"
Of course (Score:2, Funny)
Yuk Yuk
Shut up, I could have posted a goatse link and referring to black holes.
Re:So the question is... (Score:1, Funny)
No, i think that we haven't detected Shakespear because we've been looking for him rather than Shakespeare
Tangle of Strings (Score:5, Funny)
Sounds like the back of my desk!
Yeah, right. (Score:2, Funny)
Sure they do. Physics is the new theology.
Re:Tangle of strings? (Score:5, Funny)
Now I know where Windows98 really came from.
Re:Is it me (Score:5, Funny)
On the flip side, the math always did a hell of a job predicting the outcome of experiments.
Re:Let's get closer... (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Sweet (Score:5, Funny)
*sob* It must be so sad in there. (Score:5, Funny)
all those lost by that article, raise your hands.. (Score:5, Funny)
Re:As soon as we figure out how to retrieve ... (Score:5, Funny)
Hey, this is theoretical physics, keep your pseudo science out of here!
Re:Is it me (Score:2, Funny)
So would you call it an unknown unknown, or a known unknown?
Physicist-speak (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Simple question maybe (Score:1, Funny)
Computer Science 101, fool.
It has to be said (Score:3, Funny)
2. Make bet against famous physicists
3. ???
4. Profit!
Information? Not Matter? (Score:5, Funny)
Slashdot, where information goes to die.
Oh my God! (Score:1, Funny)
'have derived an extensive set of equations that strongly suggest that the information continues to exist -- bound up in a giant tangle of strings that fills a black hole from its core to its surface.'
They have, of course, been to my companys headquarters, which explains their source. If he could only explain how to get information back, I might be able to do my job...
Wow, what a gig (Score:4, Funny)
Is there some way I can get this gig?
Black holes have hair (Score:3, Funny)
On a side note, what would be a good bet for physics today? "I'll bet you the Google cache..."
And remember, not only am I president of the hair club for black holes, I'm also a client.
Jim Carrey feels Hawking's rage (Score:3, Funny)
The pictures [hawking.org.uk] prove it.
I love you, Stephen Hawking.
Re:As soon as we figure out how to retrieve ... (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Hawking radiation (Score:5, Funny)
Mwuhhahahahahahha!
KFG
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Isn't this simple physics? (Score:3, Funny)
So for the quantum astronomy and astrophysics geeks, am I missing something?
Re:You're more right than you think (Score:4, Funny)
Will it come with a free bottle of correction fluid and a pen?
Blackt holes shown to compress losslessly. (Score:5, Funny)
The conclusion may be wrong (Score:5, Funny)
However, there is no proof that any of the information survives, after being caught up in red tape. Indeed, all evidence so far suggests that it does not.
(Beurocracy particles are a subclass of Strange Quarks that have beeen influenced by a politic Ion)
Woooosh! (Score:3, Funny)
"bound up in a giant tangle of strings that fills a black hole from its core to its surface"?
So it's really just a tightly wound baseball?
Next on "Ask Slashdot" (Score:4, Funny)
Proof..... (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Double-Dog dare you... (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Wow, what a gig (Score:1, Funny)
Yes, that's exactly right. Scrondiggers cat.
Re:Hawking radiation (Score:1, Funny)
Re:Double-Dog dare you... (Score:2, Funny)
I offer a wager too: (Score:3, Funny)
Honestly, how many people really understand this stuff? It is glorious mental exercise and all, but good grief. Somehow I don't mind paying taxes to support this. As soon as we decide that we're not a bunch of brutes we should be trying to do exactly this kind of thing.
And yes, I did read the article. Tried anyway.
Re:Mathur's tests (Score:1, Funny)
"It will be a big piece of fun" (talking about deriving equations)
Maybe just saying it will be fun is the funny part? That's my best guess. I took my Engineering and CS math courses and I don't see what deriving equations and "pieces" have in common.
"thats a rather large force" (after mentioning that the force to pull two pieces of a capacitor apart could lift the city of columbus)
My guess would be this is funny just because he is stating the obvious. But perhaps there is something cultural here I am missing? Does the city of Columbus have a slogan involving the words "large" or "force"? Or perhaps Columbus OH has the same "everything is bigger in Texas" type of joke?
It's Obvious (Score:4, Funny)
Obligatory Futurama quote... (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Hawking radiation (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Mathur's tests (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Hawking radiation (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Hawking radiation (Score:5, Funny)
[waves hand] This is not the explanation you are looking for.
Re:Hawking radiation (Score:2, Funny)
20% off-topic...
70% funny???
you people spent 10 mod points on this snippet of humour?! Scheisse!
Re:Next on "Ask Slashdot" (Score:4, Funny)
(I'm sure you could do it...)
Re:Hawking radiation (Score:3, Funny)
Not if you're dealing with teenagers. Hence why occasionally 1 + 1 = 3...
Tools already available? (Score:3, Funny)
Like the WWW? So, finding information trapped in a black hole sounds like a job for ... (ta-daa) ...: Black Hole Google! Boldly going where no search engine has gone before...
Futurama Quote (Score:2, Funny)
Stephen Hawking: I call it a Hawking hole. Fry: No fair! I named it first!
Stephen Hawking: Who is the Journal of Applied Physics going to believe?.
Re: Hawking radiation (Score:4, Funny)
Yes: They have great, juicy apples. He's currently trying to figure out how the snake delivers them but has a theory that it slaps them out of the tree with its tail.
Re:Hawking radiation (Score:3, Funny)
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a = b + c
a(a - b) = (b + c)(a - b)
aa - ab = ba - bb + ac - bc
aa - ab - ac = ba - bb - bc
a(a - b - c) = b(a - b - c)
a = b
Now:
5 = 4 + 1
This is undoubtedly true, and it's the first equation with a = 5, b = 4, c = 1.
Therefore also the last equation is true:
5 = 4
Finally, use that equation with
2 + 2 = 4
and you've got
2 + 2 = 5
quod erat demonstrandum.
Now, to proof that we have really truth, let's proof the central equation (i.e. 5 = 4) again in a completely different way:
-20 = -20 (obviously true)
25 - 45 = 16 - 36 (just rewrote the numbers as differences)
25 - 45 + 81/4 = 16 - 36 + 81/4 (added 81/4 on both sides)
(5 - 9/2)^2 = (4 - 9/2)^2 (used binomic formula)
5 - 9/2 = 4 - 9/2 (took the square root)
5 = 4 (added 9/2 on both sides)
So, agan we have 5 = 4, using a completely diffferent proof. Now, this clearly shows 5 = 4 is true, and therefore also 2 + 2 = 5.
Re:Hawking radiation (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Hawking radiation (Score:3, Funny)
You elitist twat! I know everything I need to know about black holes from Elementary Science classes, and anyone who says otherwise is itching for a fight!
Of course black holes are proven to be a point in space where everything blew up & opened a hole to the next dimension where there is less pressure, so everything gets sucked up and spewed into it. This next dimension is heaven, and black holes are how you get there, duh! They are God's portals.
Geez, if it weren't for my terrific home schooling, I'd think future generations are doomed. Psh, quantum theory... more like quantum... uh... your mom! hehe, I'm so funny. And original!
is it an encyclopaedia? (Score:2, Funny)