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Wolfram's New Kind of Science Now Online 480

gotscheme writes "When Stephen Wolfram of Mathematica fame self-published A New Kind of Science in 2002, he raised the suspicions of many in scientific communities that he was taking advantage of a lot of other people's work for his sole financial gain and that he was going against the open nature of academia by using restrictive copyright. Yesterday, Wolfram and company released the entire contents of NKS for free on the Web (short registration required). Perhaps Wolfram is giving back to the scientific community; perhaps it is simply clever marketing for a framework that is beginning to gain momentum. For any matter, the entire encyclopedic volume is online, and this appears to be a positive step for scientific writing."
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Wolfram's New Kind of Science Now Online

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 06, 2004 @11:23AM (#8201388)
    If I recall correctly, he published his first scientific paper at the age of 15, and had received his Ph.D. in theoretical physics from Caltech by the age of 20.

    Not too bad.
  • by CrimeDoggy ( 710126 ) on Friday February 06, 2004 @11:27AM (#8201449) Journal
    There was a lot of hype when this book came out, and then some backlash. The $45 plus to get it is a big barrier to jump for the average science junkie, let alone 'core geek. Getting it online for free kills that problem. As for the questions raised in the book, and more so the questions _about_ the material, a little peer review never hurt. Now anyone can access this work and start judging!
  • by killermal ( 545771 ) on Friday February 06, 2004 @11:32AM (#8201501)
    Anyone who is a visitor of Wolfram MathWorld [wolfram.com] or ScienceWorld [wolfram.com] will recognize the invaluable contribution that Wolfram has made to the scientific community. From a personal perspective without MathWorld sometimes I would be completely lost...
  • by mariox19 ( 632969 ) on Friday February 06, 2004 @11:32AM (#8201503)

    And if I recall correctly, he received his Ph.D. without ever attending any classes, because the quality of his frequent papers was so high that Caltech risked embarrassment that another university might snap him up and grant him a Ph.D. first.

    Whatever this "new kind of science" turns out to be, the guy is an indisputable example of rare genius.

  • by Gyan ( 6853 ) on Friday February 06, 2004 @11:38AM (#8201576)

    I'm not sure how much has been updated, but Wolfram simply purchased Eric Weisstein's collection pf "Treasure Trove" sites and renamed as [subject]World.
  • by guacamolefoo ( 577448 ) on Friday February 06, 2004 @11:44AM (#8201639) Homepage Journal
    Perhaps Wolfram is giving back to the scientific community; perhaps it is simply clever marketing for a framework that is beginning to gain momentum. For any matter, the entire encyclopedic volume is online, and this appears to be a positive step for scientific writing.

    Nope. This [plosbiology.org] is a positive step for scientific writing.

    GF.

  • by Mr_Dyqik ( 156524 ) on Friday February 06, 2004 @12:03PM (#8201850)
    Or more accurately, provided hosting for them, employed Eric Weisstein to maintain it and paid for the lawyers to defend the copyright case against it.
  • Re:Didya know? (Score:3, Informative)

    by Aardpig ( 622459 ) on Friday February 06, 2004 @12:06PM (#8201880)

    Wolfram = German for tungsten

    Hence 'W' is the symbol for the element tungsten.

  • Review in Science (Score:-1, Informative)

    by frobber ( 708393 ) on Friday February 06, 2004 @12:16PM (#8202023)
    Here's a good review [sciencemag.org] that appeared Science. Has a fair discussion of the quality of the work, and the Wolfram problem of trying to take too much credit or overrepresent the impact of the work. See the summary at the end for quicker read.
  • by abbamouse ( 469716 ) on Friday February 06, 2004 @12:22PM (#8202098) Homepage
    A collection of reviews from actual scientists is available right here [usf.edu], for those who are tired reading the opinions of the uninformed.....
  • by stardazed0 ( 558289 ) on Friday February 06, 2004 @12:35PM (#8202269)
    MIT hosts videos of many different speakers who have come to their university. Stephen Wolfram is one of them: http://mitworld.mit.edu/video/149/ [mit.edu]
  • by Sebastopol ( 189276 ) on Friday February 06, 2004 @12:57PM (#8202527) Homepage
    Skeptic Magazine wrote a great article on Wolfram and his claims. After reading it, I got the impression Wolforam is a fraud, but the article didn't explicitly say that:

    Skeptic Magazine Article Link [skeptic.com]

  • Joe Weiss's Review (Score:4, Informative)

    by Viking Coder ( 102287 ) on Friday February 06, 2004 @01:13PM (#8202726)
    Did anyone bother to read Joe Weiss's review on amazon? Best. Review. Ever. Posted here in its entirety:

    The Emperor's New Kind of Clothes, February 28, 2003 by Joe Weiss

    This review took almost one year. Unlike many previous referees (rank them by Amazon.com's "most helpful" feature) I read all 1197 pages including notes. Just to make sure I won't miss the odd novel insight hidden among a million trivial platitudes.

    On page 27 Wolfram explains "probably the single most surprising discovery I have ever made:" a simple program can produce output that seems irregular and complex.

    This has been known for six decades. Every computer science (CS) student knows the dovetailer, a very simple 2 line program that systematically lists and executes all possible programs for a universal computersuch as a Turing machine (TM). It computes all computable patterns, including all those in Wolfram's book, embodies the well-known limits of computability, and is basis of uncountable CS exercises.

    Wolfram does know (page 1119) Minsky's very simple universal TMs from the 1960s. Using extensive simulations, he finds a slightly simpler one. New science? Small addition to old science. On page 675 we find a particularly simple cellular automaton (CA) and Matthew Cook's universality proof(?). This might be the most interesting chapter. It reflects that today's PCs are more powerful systematic searchers for simple rules than those of 40 years ago. No new paradigm though.

    Was Wolfram at least first to view programs as potential explanations of everything? Nope. That was Zuse. Wolfram mentions him in exactly one line (page 1026): "Konrad Zuse suggested that [the universe] could be a continuous CA." This is totally misleading. Zuse's 1967 paper suggested the universe is DISCRETELY computable, possibly on a DISCRETE CA just like Wolfram's. Wolfram's causal networks (CA's with variable toplogy, chapter 9) will run on any universal CA a la Ulam & von Neumann & Conway & Zuse. Page 715 explains Wolfram's "key unifying idea" of the "principle of computational equivalence:" all processes can be viewed as computations. Well, that's exactly what Zuse wrote 3 decades ago.

    Chapter 9 (2nd law of thermodynamics) elaborates (without reference)on Zuse's old insight that entropy cannot really increase in deterministically computed systems, although it often SEEMS to increase. Wolfram extends Zuse's work by a tiny margin, using today's more powerful computers to perform experiments as suggested in Zuse's 1969 book. I find it embarassing how Wolfram tries to suggest it was him who shifted a paradigm, not the legendary Zuse.

    Some reviews cite Wolfram's previous reputation as a physicist and software entrepreneur, giving him the benefit of the doubt instead of immediately dismissing him as just another plagiator. Zuse's reputation is in a different league though: He built world's very first general purpose computers (1935-1941), while Wolfram is just one of many creators of useful software (Mathematica). Remarkably, in his history of computing (page 1107) Wolfram appears to try to diminuish Zuse's contributions by only mentioning Aiken's later 1944 machine.

    On page 465 ff (and 505 ff on multiway systems) Wolfram asks whether there is a simple program that computes the universe. Here he sounds like Schmidhuber in his 1997 paper "A Computer Scientist's View of Life, the Universe, and Everything." Schmidhuber applied the above-mentioned simple dovetailer to all computable universes. His widely known writings come out on top when you google for "computable universes" etc, so Wolfram must have known them too, for he read an "immense number of articles books and web sites" (page xii) and executed "more than a hundred thousand mouse miles" (page xiv). He endorses Schmidhuber's "no-CA-but-TM approach" (page 486, no reference) but not his suggestion of using Levin's asymptotically optimal program searcher (1973) to find our universe's code.

    On page 469 we are told that the simp
  • Re:New Kind of What? (Score:3, Informative)

    by kisak ( 524062 ) on Friday February 06, 2004 @01:47PM (#8203147) Homepage Journal
    Wigner probably made a good point (and so are you), but Wigner's quote is not so new [quotationspage.com] and original in itself since it is usually attributed to Samuel Johnson:

    Your manuscript is both good and original, but the part that is good is not original and the part that is original is not good.
    ---Samuel Johnson (1709-1784)
  • Re:Yes (Score:3, Informative)

    by kisak ( 524062 ) on Friday February 06, 2004 @02:12PM (#8203453) Homepage Journal
    A well written review of Wolfram's book [physicstoday.org] is found in Physics Today [physicstoday.org] by Leo P. Kadanoff [uchicago.edu].

    Kadanoff both discuss the strong points of the book:

    First, it is an excellent pedagogical tool for introducing a reader, even one who has no knowledge of advanced mathematics, to some of the concepts of modern computer science, mathematics, and physics. [...] This is a
    tour de force of clarity and simplicity.

    But Kadanoff also points out several weaknesses:

    However, the reporting of history is spotty and sometimes quite weak. [...] From my reading, I cannot support the view that any "new kind of science" is displayed in Wolfram's new book. I see no new kinds of calculations, no new analytic theory, and no comparison with experiment.
  • Re:New Kind of Hype? (Score:3, Informative)

    by 11223 ( 201561 ) on Friday February 06, 2004 @02:24PM (#8203600)
    Perhaps you ought to take the time to read GEB again. There is much more in those short dialogues than meets the eye. It takes some time to figure it all out though.
  • Re:New Kind of Hype? (Score:3, Informative)

    by harlows_monkeys ( 106428 ) on Friday February 06, 2004 @02:34PM (#8203803) Homepage
    Wolfram is indeed a genius.He is up there with the likes of Stephen Hawking, just in a different field

    In a different field now, but much of his pre-Mathematica work was in cosmology [stephenwolfram.com]. A bunch more was in particle physics [stephenwolfram.com]. From 1975 to 1983, Wolfram published a LOT of papers on those subjects.

    His diversion into mathematical software came about because the existing systems could not handle the scale of problems he was working on, and so he and Chris Cole developed SMP ("Symbolic Mathematics Program").

    Wolfram's willingness to go his own way, despite the conventional wisdom, can be seem in the development of SMP. Wolfram and Cole checked with the experts before starting SMP, and were told that such a system had to be written in LISP. C was not suited to that kind of programming, and if they tried it, they would fail. Wolfram and Cole realized that this was bullshit, wrote in C, and SMP completely blew away all the other symbolic mathematics programs of the day.

  • Re:New Kind of Hype? (Score:3, Informative)

    by egoots ( 557276 ) on Friday February 06, 2004 @02:44PM (#8203959)

    Yes Wolfram used a lot of work based on others (and he cites it all), but he has also studied Cellular Automata for somewhere between 12 to 20 years.

    There are others who disagree with this to a certain degree. The following quote is from a review [sciencemag.org] of the book published in Science Magazine, by Dr. Melanie Mitchell, a well known researcher and author in the field.

    She writes: "In fact, most of what Wolfram describes is the work of many people (including himself), and most of it was done at least ten to twenty years ago. Nearly no credits to the contributions of others appear in the book's main text. Some credits can be found in the long notes section at the book's end, but many are not given at all. For example, the snowflake models Wolfram discusses are based on the work of Packard (13), but Packard is not mentioned in connection with them. This is only one example of such inexcusable omissions. Moreover, the book does not contain a single bibliographic citation--an astounding lapse that will put off serious scientific readers. Wolfram's Web site (14) includes "relevant books," but this list is no substitute."

  • by aturley ( 79907 ) on Friday February 06, 2004 @03:36PM (#8204743)
    Could you post this one for us? Otherwise, I'll have to give back my MS in CS, since I don't know what the hell you're talking about.
    This [escribe.com] should give you some background on the topic. If you have an MS in CS, the information in the link should be enough to figure out "what the hell" he's talking about.
    Wouldn't a two-line program that could execute all possible programs make one excessively rich?
    I'm not even sure where to start with this one. Well, here's an attempt. Start with Turing and Church. Then move on to the halting problem. By the time you have re-acquainted yourself with these things, you should be able to understand the "program that could execute all possible programs" part of your question, and maybe even the "make one excessively rich" part. Now look into Perl, and also remember that have enough useful functions, anything can be a two line (or one line) program. For example, in my own programing language, Andycal, the following program would give you a hot sandwich:
    BringMeAFuckingSandwith(hotness=hot);
    I just haven't implemented the necessary functions yet. This should explain the "Wouldn't a two-line program" part.
    andy
  • Re:New Kind of Hype? (Score:3, Informative)

    by abigor ( 540274 ) on Friday February 06, 2004 @04:35PM (#8205710)
    Give GEB another try. Those "wordgames" are an entertaining way to describe and demonstrate some very deep things - paradoxes, recursion, and Godel's theorems.
  • by ccwood ( 121680 ) on Friday February 06, 2004 @06:50PM (#8207501)
    Readers may be interested in an excellent review [ogi.edu]
    of "New Kind of Science" from the journal Science
    by Melanie Mitchell of University of Oregon and the
    Santa Fe Institute. The review is both thorough and
    balanced.
  • Go out and find January's Scientific American issue and read up about loop quantum gravity. [sciam.com]

    Plus other articles [livingreviews.org] on the web.

    --jeff++

  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 07, 2004 @04:47AM (#8210545)
    Register on the site, check your email, click the link they send, export the cookie (cookies.txt for Mozilla/Netscape browsers).
    wget -pmk -U "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007" --tries=inf -nH --no-parent --random-wait -r -l inf --convert-links --html-extension --load-cookies=../cookies.txt www.wolframscience.com/nksonline/
    Keep an eye on this as it has infinet retries and depth (but will stray without /nksonline). Took me 5 minutes and a Google to solve it. Still busy downloading though... wonder how many others solved his little mirroring puzzle? Might as well ZIP it up for us and save the bandwidth and server load instead of multiple HTTP sessions...
    NKS|Online download limit reached for IP address n.n.n.n This may have occurred because a client, subnet, proxy, or cache server associated with the IP address above has attempted a bulk download.
    Bleh, I downloaded 19M before I started getting access-denied, but it's ip-based, not cookie-based. Guess what, I've got a couple dozen class Cs available. I'll just bind 254 of them and use --bind-address= to cycle thru them whenever /nksonline/accessdenied.cgi shows up. What really bothers me is that they're limiting based on IP, not on cookie. I'm running this thru my proxy server, and I know many people are stuck behind proxy servers. What if a bunch of other folks are all interested in reading different parts of the book and fill up that 20M limit?

    BTW, I own the book, and I'm not going to make the content available for anyone else, so other than the extra server load (at 12:21am PST-8 and well beyond the initial /.), I'm just "caching" it all to read offline.

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