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Lemming Population Flux Solved: Mass Suicide Not to Blame 181

quogmire writes "Australia's ABC reports that biologists from the Universities of Finland and Freiburg (Germany) have finally solved the question of lemming population fluctuations once thought to be caused by lemmings mass-suiciding by plunging off cliffs. 'Lemming populations, they say, surge spectacularly and fall just as quickly, thanks to the combined feasting of four predators: the stoat, arctic fox, snowy owl and a seabird called the long-tailed skua.' The original article (Login required) is published in Science."
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Lemming Population Flux Solved: Mass Suicide Not to Blame

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  • by heironymouscoward ( 683461 ) <heironymouscoward@yah3.14oo.com minus pi> on Saturday November 01, 2003 @02:59PM (#7367271) Journal
    Chaos theory was in part defined following studies of populations of just TWO animals, the arctic hare and the the Canadian lynx. This was around 1989. [google.com]

    So why should it be surprising that populations of lemmings are chaotic?

    What, exactly, is the news here?
  • by Mattcelt ( 454751 ) on Saturday November 01, 2003 @03:19PM (#7367339)
    In fact, they were. My sister met someone who worked on the project. He said that if you actually look closely at the Disney footage, you can see the lemmings trying to swim back to the shore! They were apparently taking them and throwing them off by the bucketful...

    The person's excuse was that he was a poor college student and needed the money. Makes one wonder what other atrocities have been committed by poor college students? *grin*
  • Re:Pingus (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Kent Recal ( 714863 ) on Saturday November 01, 2003 @03:22PM (#7367350)
    Hum.
    I played some early pingus-demo (4 levels i think) and I didn't find it _that_ bad at all.
    Ofcourse it's not the original lemmings and most of the levels lacked the "Doh!"-effect of the original, but it is definately worth a look also for those who played the original lemmings back and forth.

    Post-It-Side-Note: I didn't really like the original lemmings past Lemmings II. Some of the bonus packs (X-Mas Lemmings etc.) were nice. But starting with Lemmings III they put in so many new modes (and very bad ones, too, like the "Jump"-Lemming and others that depended on SplitSecondMouseclickTiming(tm)) that it ruined the great "usability" known from Lemmings I+II.
    In that light pingus has a really nice balance of just the right number of not-so-over-the-edge (bazooka-lemming anyone?) modes.

    Another-Really-Small-Sticky-Note:
    One mode that's really been missing from all Lemmings-Clones I know would be
    the "PacMan"-mode, tho... ;-)
  • by azaris ( 699901 ) on Saturday November 01, 2003 @03:32PM (#7367389) Journal

    Apart from the "University of Finland" and all the cutesy Lemmings jokes, does this strike anyone as horrificly unscientific? I mean, it's been observed for ages that the growth of the population of the prey causes a growth in population of the predator. Then your population growth for the lemmings looks something like:

    dL/dt = bL/2 - hP

    where L is the lemming population, b is the average number of lemmings born in a time interval, P is the number of predators and h is some constant. P on the other hand is related to L by some observed relation:

    dP/dt ~ L

    Given suitable values for b and h we can predict the behaviour of the lemming population without having to invent catastrophic events to explain the fluctuations of L without any empirical evidence to support them.

  • Re:Carrying capacity (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Persecuted_Telemarke ( 717360 ) <persecuted_telemarketer@@@yahoo...com> on Saturday November 01, 2003 @03:34PM (#7367396) Journal
    Actually, it depends pretty radically on which type of model you're considering.

    For example, if you assume that the population is governed by a continuous-time model, i.e. by a differential equation, then it is not really possible for a population to exceed a carrying capacity, and then crash. What happens is that the population asymptotically approaches the carrying capacity, but can never go above it. I think it is reasonable to put humans in this case, as our growth rate is a smooth frunction of time (no breeding season, for example).

    Aside note: for those who may not know, the term "carrying capacity" is a term used in population dynamics which sort of represents the available resources. In most models, what happens is that there is some amount of population which can be supported by the existing resources, and if the population is below that, it should grow, and above that, it should shrink. Most "reasonable" models of population dynamics have such a carrying capacity, and I can even state a theorem: if you have any model where the growth rate of a species depends on its size, AND it is true that this growth rate becomes negative for some sufficiently large value of the population, then you will have a carrying capacity. Furthermore, if nothing in the system changes, the population will approach this value and stay there forever.

    Now, I'm not saying a crash is impossible, but you need a more complicated system. There are several ways to add complexity to the system. One way is to consider a predator-prey type of system, but of course humans have nothing which can really be called a predator. The only thing I can think of is some sort of disease, but this leads to a different model altogether (some sort of "epidemological model"), and these models rarely predict population crashes, as they have a different character, which is disease needs to be carried by disease-carrying individuals (ok, duh) but then these tend to die out. So the predator carries its own destruction around with it, in some sense, and it corrects itself.

    Another postulate one can make, and I think this is somewhat reasonable, is that the carrying capacity of the earth might change radically in the future (and of course, radically downward would be the interesting case in this discussion). This could happen any number of ways. And if it turns out that the carrying capacity moves on some very quick timescale (much more rapid than the change in growth of the population), then we could see a "crash". For example, if it turned out that our ability to grow food took a big hit for some reason or another, then this could happen.

    One last way to get population crashes is to consider the case of the discrete system. For example, this does apply to species which have a discrete (say, yearly) breeding system. The population does not change smoothly over time, but is simply a function of one year to the next. It is somewhat surprising, but true, that the dynamics of a population with a discrete model can be much more complicated than those with a continuous model. In fact, a discrete model can actually have what satisfies the mathematical definition of "chaos". Thus you can see any type of behaviour you might imagine, including crashes, but also including periodicity (say, a 17-year cycle for population values). I do not think it is reasonable to assume that humanity can be modeled by this sort of model, even in a coarse-grained sense, because we breed day in and day out all the time. This (and this is somewhat surprising) makes our population a much more stable quantity.

  • Re:Oh, crap (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Wakkow ( 52585 ) * on Saturday November 01, 2003 @03:39PM (#7367420) Homepage
    I wanted to post a link to DHTML Lemmings (the original Lemmings in your browser) but it looks like they had to take it down [xs4all.nl]. Help the guy figure out who, exactly, is the owner of Lemmings!
  • Survival Strategies (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Detritus ( 11846 ) on Saturday November 01, 2003 @04:10PM (#7367590) Homepage
    A popular survival strategy for many insects is to synchronize their breeding so that they produce a huge number of offspring within a short period of time. The predators can stuff themselves silly but there are plenty of survivors.
  • Re:Carrying capacity (Score:2, Interesting)

    by kfg ( 145172 ) on Saturday November 01, 2003 @04:42PM (#7367736)
    Please note that I made no argument as to the "casue" of violent crime. I made an anecdotal reference to a known phenomenon and understand it as such.

    It is a mistake to consider that people are rats, or dogs, or chimpanzees. This does not preclude the idea that studying the behaviour of such cannot reveal to us clues about our own behaviours.

    Nor did I even imply that violence is the only possible response to overcrowding and local shortages. Since it is not there is no reason to imply direct proportionality between crowding and violence, and I did not do so. It is, however, demonstrably one of the expected responses in virtually all of the mammals, especially those that are carnivorous.

    As crowding goes up and shortages occur there is a certain probability of violence increasing, as there is a certain probability of certain other phenomenon as well.

    KFG

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