Can You Raed Tihs? 997
An aoynmnuos raeedr sumbtis: "An interesting tidbit from Bisso's blog site: Scrambled words are legible as long as first and last letters are in place. Word of mouth has spread
to other blogs, and articles as well.
From the languagehat site: 'Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at an Elingsh uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht frist and lsat ltteer is at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae we do not raed ervey lteter by it slef but the wrod as a wlohe. ceehiro.'
Jamie Zawinski has also written a perl script to convert normal text into text where letters excluding the first and last are scrambled."
all this research and still (Score:2, Insightful)
ugh (Score:1, Insightful)
i've had it up to here with all this "teh" and
"pwn" shit, but now this?!
man this makes me feel SO old. what the hell are you kids huffing after school anyway?!
Re:Hmmm (Score:5, Insightful)
Read: I think your post is proof that we definately do need the middle letters.
Re:Yes, a cat's got my tongue, OK? (Score:5, Insightful)
The reason it DOES work well with those letter pairs is that they aren't familiar at all in reverse. You're more likely to udnerstand their juxtaposition as what it's supposed to be, because you're used to it being one way.
Where it DOESN'T work as well is when you begin breaking up complex phonemes or diphthongs in short words. Konw what I'm sayin'?
The oldest story to ever hit slashdot. (Score:2, Insightful)
Seriously. Raise your hand if you had no idea that the human brain could intuitively make corrections to faulty input.
Ok, anyone raising their hand is a moron.
Re:Yes, a cat's got my tongue, OK? (Score:3, Insightful)
Actually, does this work well with letter pairs like, "th ch wh sh qu?" I forget what those are called.
They're called dipthongs. There's also tripthongs, though I can't think of any English ones right now.
And no, they don't appear to work quite as well. I had trouble reading a few words that had split dipthongs.
Split dipthongs? Sounds kinky.
Just english? and for all words? (Score:5, Insightful)
Also... what happen when the scrambled word is another valid word? Or a misspelled valid words?
Re:Hmmm (Score:5, Insightful)
But we need the spaces, at least, for the word cues.
So how many "bits" of information can we strip from a sentence, on average, before we can no longer intuitively decipher it? The spaces give us information, but not as much as the letters themselves. Yet clearly the ordering of the letters contains much less information than the contents of a word's endpoints. This is odd stuff.
This doesn't work at all (Score:4, Insightful)
1 - You've left out the letters, and thus our brain can't do the quick magic to "know" the words. The summary of the story worked really well, surprisingly well. But yours is hosed.
2 - There's no real context for your sentence, so it's even that much more difficult to guess quickly.
There's a point to be made here (Score:2, Insightful)
There are reasons people don't spell 'properly'. It's not because they're stupid. It's not because they went to school. It's not because you're the only one on Earth who learned how to spell. Instead, there are real reasons that comments made on the web that have spelling errors.
- Browsers don't have spell checkers when submitting forms. Even if they did, they come as an after thought, as opposed to the way MS Word works by showing you the little squiggly line. Few people want to sit there and have to click 'ok' on every word that wasn't found in the computer's limited dictionary.
- Some people have learning disabilities. A rather talented friend of mine has a learning disability that has impaired his ability to spell. What's the point of me going all Spelling Nazi on him? What good would that do? The solution for me is to be used to it and not worry about it.
- Most people just don't care. The important part is "can you understand me?" If I say u instead of you, so what?
- Not everybody has english as a primary language. It's ridiculous to expect that everybody getting on the web is a college graduate who majored in grammar. It's doubly so when people are in the process of learning English and are participating in web conversation in order to grow. Slashdot, with its international audience, should particularly sensitive to this point.
I originally started writing this post in order to say the author has a point, but I think it turned more into a "be more tolerant" preach. Well, sorry. I do hope, though, somebody reads this and relaxes a little. Successful understanding is the most important aspect of communication, not how closely it follows protocol.
Re:Does this work for non native speakers? (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Hmmm (Score:4, Insightful)
No, the middle letters are still necessary. I find myself misreading all the time because my brain took in the first and last letter and read it as a word with similar spelling and length.
So I would hypothesize that the first/last letters along with the lengths of the words and a rough idea of what letters go in the middle are what our brains look for.
But this only comes with practice. English is my first language and I have read millions and millions of words in English in my lifetime so I am very used to taking in written information this way. But if I switch to reading something in French (for which I took for 11 years in school but never became fluent, mainly because I hated learning french) I still have to read each word carefully because I am not used to reading it.
So if some person who is just learning english looked at words with jumbled internals, I expect that they would have a terrible time trying to figure them out. Their brains have not read each word thousands of times so they still have to decode them letter by letter.
spam (Score:2, Insightful)
Things just spread like wildfire... (Score:3, Insightful)
I got this lteters thingy yesterday, and today my dad told me: "I just got a mail with something really interesting" so I asked: "is that the thing about reading words with scrambled letters?" I wasn't surprised to hear that it was that....
Same thing goes with the badgerbadger flash... I'm pretty sure everyone here saw that aswell...
Mod up article! (Score:3, Insightful)
This is a breakthrough for a great part of humanity - it almost puts in question why should we even write the way we do. Sure, legal documents and such will stil have to be thorough and correct, but maybe a lot of other human-created docs could be leniant on typos, as long as the word contains all the necessary letters and the first and last letters are in place.
This thing really, truly works!
Re:The bset prat (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:SPAM?!?!?!? (Score:1, Insightful)
"mtodehs of imoprvnig the msas of your appdnaege"
Re:SPAM?!?!?!? (Score:3, Insightful)
This is a serious problem. Now we just killed one of our methods for eliminating spam.
Ok, so let me get this straight. (Score:2, Insightful)
Where was this research when I was in Grade 5? If bad spelling was cool, I'd have won a Pultzier Przie by now.
But seriously folks, it's obviously true that people NOW can read this jumble easily, but that's because we all spend so much time on the internet. We're ACCLIMATIZED to it by now. In fact, we're DESENSITIZED to it. I just ignore it now, like my friend Vince, who doesn't even realize he's got a blue screen, they happen so often.
They should just rename the internet the Itnerent, the spelling's so bad.... Ask your grandfather to read the same passage you breeze through and watch the cursing begin. See my piont?
Re:Does this work for non native speakers? (Score:1, Insightful)
If you don't read quickly, you don't focus on the spaces as much and the jumbled middle of the word would confuse you. Also, if she learned from speaking, she might read by sounding out the words in her head. Not really possible if the letters are scrambled.
Another thing to keep in mind is just because you can speak fluently doesn't mean you can read an write. There are illeterate people in the world who can speak just fine. She might speak english fluently but read it on a 3rd or 4th grade level.
Blows Ashcroft's E-Mail Monitor out of the water (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Hmmm (Score:4, Insightful)
WeDoNeedPunctuation,AndSomeQueThatASpaceShouldB
IWasAbleToWriteASetOfScriptsThatWouldCapitalize
LetterOfEveryWord,ThenStripOutSpaces.IUseT
TextPagesToMyCellPhoneToSaveSpace.
ToFollowUpOnYourIdea,WeCouldStripOutVowlesFromT
WrdsAndStllFndMstOfTheTxtRdbl.IThnkWeNdT
EndOfTheWrdsThgh.
At the moment it takes a bit of extra thinking to do that though.
-Rusty
Depends on redundancy in language (Score:3, Insightful)
Most of the time we'll probably read it correct based on context anyway (e.g. expecting a verb, not a noun), but I imagine it'll be much harder and confusing.
Kjella
The role of context.. (Score:3, Insightful)
rteglus
blafams
frignde
It could be very frustrating to someone attempting to unscramble them when they find out they were completely random. It's just this sort of frustration that would make someone like me laugh out loud, or lol in the parlance of our times.
Re:bah! real men only need 1 line (Score:4, Insightful)
Uh huh, and you probably post to Slashdot by tapping on the ethernet jack with battery and a paper clip, right?
People who actually know how to program realize that while line noise one-liners are sometimes a cute party trick, it's a worthless way to program.
The more your Perl looks like static, the less well you have written it.
Real world application (Score:5, Insightful)
Word shape is key (Score:3, Insightful)
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Simon