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Desert Robot Race Update, With Video 180

An anonymous reader writes "Several teams have moved forward with their bid to run the Barstow-Vegas Desert Robot Race (For those not familiar check out http://www.darpa.mil/grandchallenge ). As of today 55 teams are registered, some of the most interesting are Cal Tech, AI Magic, and the Red Team out of Carnegie Mellon. Also fishing around the Red Team site, there is a pretty nifty video."
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Desert Robot Race Update, With Video

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  • race vs challenge (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 07, 2003 @10:45PM (#6896899)
    from the darpa site's Q&A : "...And they must do these things quickly- overall speed will be the deciding factor and the time limit is designed to push vehicle speeds far beyond current technologies."

    this makes it seem like the focus is more on speed that on being able to navigate by oneself. if you're making a race, call it a race, dont call it a challenge, a challenge should have prizes for anyone who can do it. i find this very misleading, anyone have any thoughts on this? how about starting a petition to change the name!

    consolevision roxors
  • by Skyshadow ( 508 ) on Sunday September 07, 2003 @10:53PM (#6896949) Homepage
    Or you could have it roll into a network of caves and shoot the people inside without exposing your own guys to risk.

    Or you could send it over to an enemy location and transmit a "bomb me" signal to the smart bombs to hit.

    Or you could have it crawl in and set fire to a compound where a bunch of religious extremists are held up.

    Or you could use it to wait in a ditch for a month until the car of a political leader rolls by and blow it up.

    These aren't all necessarily *bad* things -- it's always been reality that we kill each other, sometimes with good reason. But it *is* another step away from the old days when you'd have to risk your own life to kill another person, which IMO makes it a lot easier to do.

  • by Zakabog ( 603757 ) <john.jmaug@com> on Sunday September 07, 2003 @10:55PM (#6896965)
    This has nothing to do with scouting out landmines. These robots have to follow a set path of waypoints. When you scout out landmines there aren't many waypoints cause you don't know where the landmines are. You could set a robot to travel a path in a field looking for landmines along the way but there are probably much better and easier ways to do it.

    Beside's you'd probably want some kind of human interaction, what happens if the vehicle comes across a land mind, doesn't "see" it and blows up? At least if it had some kind of camera and a remote pilot they could stop it before it triggered a land mine
  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 07, 2003 @10:59PM (#6896980)
    Would you prefer they just drop a 5,000lb bomb instead? A side effect of more efficient mechanisms for killing is that there are less inadvertant civilian casualties. Just compare the fire bombings of Dresden to the wars in Kosovo and Iraq. Which method do you prefer?
  • All I can say... (Score:2, Interesting)

    by evil-osm ( 203438 ) on Sunday September 07, 2003 @11:11PM (#6897026)
    I checked out Red Teams site and all I can say is "wow".

    That and Mopar never gave me these options [redteamracing.org] when I bought my Jeep! :(
  • advertisement (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 07, 2003 @11:16PM (#6897050)
    does anyone else wonder if the poster has some ties to The red team, because that video had almost nothing to do with the race. It sounded more like a advertisement to get money for there project.
  • by Mockingbird ( 51545 ) on Sunday September 07, 2003 @11:51PM (#6897209) Homepage
    So I get a call from one of my client's ISPs. Some guy named Charles is really alarmed about the massive amount of traffic my sleepy little robot site is generating all of a sudden.

    Woohoo, my first Slashdotting!

    So naturally the ISP temporarily banished the file. Thanks to everyone who put up mirrors. The file ought to be back where it belongs on 9/10.

    Unrelated to the file, these guys at CMU kick ass. Despite all the DARPA downplaying that they don't exepect anyone to even complete the race in the first year, I have tremendous confidence in the Red Team to overachieve. There's a 'success at any cost' vibe coming out of that place that has to be experienced to be believed.
  • by droleary ( 47999 ) on Monday September 08, 2003 @12:03AM (#6897264) Homepage

    One of the huge applications of autonomous vehicles is the removal of landmines.

    As has already been pointed out, that's unnecessarily complex compared to telepresence used to do the same. In fact, I'm suspicious that this can be used by the military for much (general) good at all. Think about the environment that makes this necessary. If it was NASA, it might make sense, but where on the surface of this planet do you need a machine to operate itself rather than a human operating it remotely?

  • by Mockingbird ( 51545 ) on Monday September 08, 2003 @12:49AM (#6897417) Homepage
    The ISP is cfx hosting. They specialize in ColdFusion solutions.

    Actually I'm pretty pleased with the way they handled the incident. Our contract doesn't allow for unlimited bandwidth - they could easily have let the traffic flow and charged us an arm and a leg for it.

    Further, once they decided to intervene, they could have done a lot worse than just dumping the file - I imagine most ISPs would have just shut stopped the whole site.

    Finally, even at 11:30 PM on a Sunday night, I got a courtesy call about it before the tech took action.

    www.cfxhosting.com - pretty good guys
  • Damn, it's fast (Score:3, Interesting)

    by EnglishTim ( 9662 ) on Monday September 08, 2003 @06:13AM (#6898222)
    Reading the DARPA site, the route will be up to 300 miles long, and has to be completed in under 10 hours - that's an average speed of 30mph, cross-country.

    No wonder they don't expect any contestants to finish on the first race - I think you're going to have to have a fair amount of luck just to not break the vehicle at any point.

    Nevertheless, I can't wait to see it...

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