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Canadian Inventor: Pyramids Were Rocked Into Place 117

seafortn writes "A Canadian man is claiming he has solved the mystery of the construction of the pyramids - the ancient Egyptians attached curved boards to the building blocks and rolled them into place."
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Canadian Inventor: Pyramids Were Rocked Into Place

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  • by oni ( 41625 ) on Monday July 28, 2003 @07:25PM (#6554663) Homepage
    The reason this is such a mystery is that the great pyramid is made of over two million blocks, each weighing two and a half tons. Our best estimates for construction time are that it took around 20 years to build. Assuming a 10 to 12 hour work day and no holidays (365 days a year) that means the ancient Egyptians placed a block every 20 to 30 seconds.

    Today, even with modern equipment, we could not make that happen. Maybe we could place a block every 5 minutes or every 10 minutes, but I can't imagine we could do it under a minute continuously. It's just an amazing feet. You can see why people are so impressed.

    There are so many examples of humans achieving such greatness, and accomplishing such feats, that later generations do not comprehend. I suppose our generation has the Apollo moon landings, and maybe a couple of other things. It really stands as a testament to our potential. So, when we start murdering each other wholesale I like to think about these achievements because it gives me hope that we can rise above our destructive nature.
  • by gnovos ( 447128 ) <gnovos@NoSpAM.chipped.net> on Monday July 28, 2003 @07:37PM (#6554750) Homepage Journal
    There are so many examples of humans achieving such greatness, and accomplishing such feats, that later generations do not comprehend. I suppose our generation has the Apollo moon landings, and maybe a couple of other things. It really stands as a testament to our potential. So, when we start murdering each other wholesale I like to think about these achievements because it gives me hope that we can rise above our destructive nature.

    Until you look under the rocks and find out that there is a human corpse under each and every one of them... They pyramids were just a fancified death machine. :)
  • by Slowping ( 63788 ) on Monday July 28, 2003 @08:00PM (#6554939) Homepage Journal
    It's also possible that they used the ramps to roll the stones up the sides of the pyramid, using stoppers and wedges as they go to prevent a catastrophic backwards roll.

    I also think that many people (and judging by many of the responses on this forum so far) are too quick to dismiss the ideas that come from people not in academia. We all need to keep an open mind to ideas; after all, Einstein was once just a lowly patent clerk. And sometimes it takes a "hick" with a lifetime of rock moving experience to come up with a clever solution that a bunch of bookworms might otherwise never think of.
  • by Slowping ( 63788 ) on Monday July 28, 2003 @08:07PM (#6554985) Homepage Journal
    dammit I accidentally hit submit instead of preview.

    Anyways, to clarify, I meant that rolling the stones up the ramp might be easier than dragging them up, or even moving them up over log rollers.

    And being a 'bookworm' myself, I didn't mean it in a derogatory way. Just that sometimes there really are simple solutions that elude even the most knowledgeable thinkers.
  • by crmartin ( 98227 ) on Monday July 28, 2003 @09:36PM (#6555631)
    It's a lovely theory that's only slightly spoiled by the fact that even a casual observer can tell a limestone block from concrete.

    But thank you for playing.
  • by MousePotato ( 124958 ) on Monday July 28, 2003 @11:11PM (#6556113) Homepage Journal
    ...archeological evidence points to the workers working and living under reasonable circumstances.

    that and they were in the service of thier gods.
  • by SnappingTurtle ( 688331 ) on Monday July 28, 2003 @11:34PM (#6556251) Homepage
    The dude certainly has some neat ideas. His theory sounds plausible to the casual observer (i.e. me).

    Unforunately, he's confusing hypothesis with evidence. He's given some good anecdotal evidence that it could have been done that way, but no evidence that it was done that way. Produce some tangible evidence and he may be on to something.

  • by lokedhs ( 672255 ) on Tuesday July 29, 2003 @09:32AM (#6558388)
    You're right. It was quite a feat of engineering.

    Everything you wrote was pretty good up until the last scentence. Who do you think built it then?

    The people back then weren't stupid. In fact, they were as smart as we. Just because we can't figure out exactly how something was made, doesn't mean it couldn't be made.

    Don't underestimate a firm comittment to do something, coupled with tens of thousands of people to do the hard work.

  • by CheshireCatCO ( 185193 ) on Tuesday July 29, 2003 @11:46AM (#6559754) Homepage
    But you can only wedge one these things if they're holding still. A moving rock would need a moving wedge to be effective.

    I can envision a system of gates, not unlike locks and dams, to catch a runaway stone. But I also think that those would probably work better on a square-edged stone.

    As for Einstein, you're neglecting to mention that he was a patent clerk *with a Ph.D. in physics.* He wasn't some random guy who stumble across relativity, he was a well-trained scientist who had difficulty finding a job (or at least, one he liked) in academia.
  • by Martin Blank ( 154261 ) on Tuesday July 29, 2003 @12:48PM (#6560693) Homepage Journal
    A moving rock would need a moving wedge to be effective.

    Not hard. Imagine you have a few guys with ropes pulling the stone itself. You could then have a couple more guys with ropes connected to a wedge that sits behind the stone, constantly moving right behind it so that a stop for any reason would immediately rest on the wedge.
  • by plover ( 150551 ) on Tuesday July 29, 2003 @04:43PM (#6563948) Homepage Journal
    For a diagram, see a back issue of OMNI magazine from 1980.

    That's when an "inventor" announced this last time I heard it.

    I recall it was an interesting article. He developed the technique to remove blocks from his quarry and thought "this is so easy someone else must have invented it first." So he did some research, then did some more research, and finally found wooden rockers just like the ones he built were discovered in the pyramid (they were labeled "cradles".)

    He then duplicated these wooden rockers, quarried some blocks to replicate the size of the blocks used in the pyramids, and had a dozen middle-aged out-of-shape men hauling these several ton blocks up ramps from his quarry to prove his point.

    That was 1980. It's quite possible that Mr. Raina dug up an ancient copy of that OMNI magazine, instead of pyramid artifacts. This isn't even archaeological news for nerds any more!

  • by plover ( 150551 ) on Wednesday July 30, 2003 @07:13PM (#6575438) Homepage Journal
    Oh, I agree the wanton waste of life would be a huge economic drain. Slaves have always been expensive to acquire and maintain. And I'm not even convinced it was built by slaves: it was a tomb for their god. If your society is building a tomb for God, you may have been obligated by the priests to work on it yourself: one weekend a month and two weeks per year, that sort of arrangement. Killing your neighbors or your children via falling rocks or other stupid construction accidents is not conducive to maintaining a dedicated volunteer workforce, (even if they are conscripts.)

    To your ramp theories, consider the pyramid construction in a spiral fashion. You wouldn't have a single 4800 foot ramp leading up the side, but you'd have 48 ramps each 50 feet long, raising the stones ten feet at a time (yes, this is a 20% grade, keep reading.)

    The base would be laid square, with a ramp at a corner. Then the second course would be laid in the middle, leaving a working path around the edge. At the far end of this circumferential path around the top of the first level (at the end of the fourth side) you would erect another ramp leading inward up to the top of the second level. Repeat as needed till you get to the pinnacle.

    Completing the pyramid would be a matter of filling in the top path, then destroying the ramp leading to it and filling in the next level. Repeat as needed until you're standing on the ground.

    The only hard part is placing the very last block on each layer (the ones that need to go on top of where the ramps are. They require dead lifting. But now, you're only talking one or two stones per level, and you can muster additional help at these times.

    This isn't the most efficient ramp system: every stone must travel all the way around the pyramid on every course. But it makes each ramp small and independent and therefore manageable. Ropes wearing thin on the 3rd level ramp? Replace them. The workers never have to haul a stone up more than one level at a time, and therefore they are fresh, and don't risk dropping one all the way down the length of the ramp.

    It also scales: if you have more workers than space, you can double production speed by having two ramps on opposite corners. When completion time comes around, one of the ramps is closed and the level filled in with stones brought from the remaining ramp, and only a single corner is left to deadlift. They maybe even quadrupled production by having ramps on each of the four corners, although I haven't given enough thought to the space to figure out if that's even a possible arrangement of the ramps at the corners. I'm pretty sure it would work at the lower levels where there would have been lots of space available, but probably became less cost effective the nearer they got to the pinnacle.

    See my earlier post [slashdot.org] for a description of how to easily raise one encircled block up one ramp at a time using a tethered rope and using the encircled block as a simple pulley. With this very simple method, raising a 2-ton (4000 pound) block up a 20% grade for 50 feet would take 400 pounds of pull on the rope over 100 feet. 400 pounds is not a lot for a small team of workers to pull. (Not that I'd want to do it as my day job, but it's certainly achievable.) And as each level approached completion, the ramps would be shortened and the inclines raised steeper. Now for that 40% grade you have to pull 800 pounds. Just double the number of workers and there you go. You even have extra rope for them to all hang on to because you shortened the ramp!

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