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The Deepest Photo Ever Taken 218

Astroturtle writes "Astronomers using the Hubble Space Telescope's powerful new Advanced Camera for Surveys (ACS) have taken the deepest visible-light image ever made of the sky. The 3.5-day (84-hour) exposure captures stars as faint as 31st magnitude, according to Tom M. Brown (Space Telescope Science Institute), who headed the eight-person team that took the picture."
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The Deepest Photo Ever Taken

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  • 3.5 Day Exposure? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Canard ( 594978 ) on Saturday May 10, 2003 @11:46PM (#5929023)
    Imagine a Beowulf... um. Seriously, how do you cope with reciprocity failure in a 3.5 day exposure. I would have thought that stray heat or electron flow would turn the whole image to static with such a long exposure. HST must consist of unfathomably cool (literally and figuratively) electronics.
  • by HotNeedleOfInquiry ( 598897 ) on Saturday May 10, 2003 @11:48PM (#5929034)
    Just how many photons they detected for the faintest star.
  • by d-rock ( 113041 ) on Saturday May 10, 2003 @11:52PM (#5929059) Homepage
    3.4 day exposure? Even for a space-based platform, that has to be really stable to produce a good image. Does anyone out there have any info on how they maneuver the telescope to keep it pointing at the same point while minimizing shifts in the field?

    Derek
  • All in all... (Score:4, Interesting)

    by skogs ( 628589 ) on Saturday May 10, 2003 @11:56PM (#5929069) Journal
    It is still pretty incredible...pointing an object the size of a bus and accurately focusing it on something the size of a spec of sand...really, really, really far away. All while moving at a relative 26,000 miles an hour or whatever to keep it up in the sky...Not to mention the orbial speed of the earth itself... Only took 8 guys, several computers, and millions of dollars worth of equipment. Oh yeah, and that one maintenance run made a few years back to keep it pointing straight.
  • by Jerf ( 17166 ) on Sunday May 11, 2003 @12:31AM (#5929185) Journal
    Something I've wondered for a while... what's up with the points coming off the stars? I've always accepted it when I see it with my own eyes because I don't expect my own eyes to be optically perfect, so I always thought it was distortion, but looking at the full image [hubblesite.org] I see that the brightest stars once again have points coming off of them in four directions. Typically they are directly up, down, left, and right, but in that image, they appear to be about five to ten degrees off that.

    The biggest example I see is about 3/4s of the way to the right and about 1/5 of the way down on the image, where there is a huge-looking star.

    Why four points? Why do we see them even when the star itself is not in the picture (look on the top border for examples, like the one almost directly in the middle)? I guess I would expect that if the light source is too bright the spread would be in a circular formation and simply blur the star, not blur it in just those four directions so much stronger then the rest.

    Is it just QM at play? If so, why it is almost always directly up, down, left, and right, instead of random and perhaps even changing over time directions (which probably would get right back to simply looking blurred)? Detector flaws?
  • by d-rock ( 113041 ) on Sunday May 11, 2003 @12:36AM (#5929200) Homepage

    Interesting. I was actually thinking more along the lines of automatic compensation, but I hadn't even thought about gyroscopes vs. impulse jets. I poked around a little on the hubble site for the instrumentation and flight computer and I found the handbooks for the instruments at this site [stsci.edu]. Appearently, the gyroscopes are used for coarse motion detection and the FGS uses constellational guidance. The manuals actually make a pretty interesting read.

    On a side note, a constellational guidance is related to how head mount displays like UNC's HiBall [unc.edu] work.


    Derek
  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 11, 2003 @12:44AM (#5929230)
    I just thought about how detailed the full size pic is, and how to appreciate that without a poster printer. I'd like to see something similar to osx's default screensavers (with the softly zooming pictures of trees/beach, etc) and have it use this picture.

    I'd like to see it zoom in to the picture, while also changing x/y of the camera on a spline (etc). And each time choose a different starting point, and make it's speed adjustable.

    All of those high-res pics are beautiful! maybe i'm 'a gonna dust off the 'gl..
  • Re:Streaks (Score:3, Interesting)

    by localghost ( 659616 ) <dleblanc@gmail.com> on Sunday May 11, 2003 @12:53AM (#5929247)
    If you look at the image, there are some odd streaks that go from red to blue (or blue to red).
    I'm just curious here, what are they? I thought maybe it could be a bit of space debris that whizzed in front of the camera, but with an exposure of 3.4 days, the streak would go from one side or another.


    The streaks are probably something that moved, though some of them seem brighter in the center, which would indicate it was oscillating. I'm not exactly sure. Anything could move any distance in 3.4 days.

    And that big bright cluster in the lower bottom, what's that? It looks pretty close galaxy-wise.

    The bright cluster is probably a globular cluster, which is a tight grouping of old stars. It's most likely in our galaxy.

    It's a neat pic for sure, a little blurry, which makes it less jawdropping than other hubble efforts but makes sense for a 3.4 day exposure.

    Scale it down and it's definitely not blurry. At least not the 6116x7014 image.

    lower bottom

    What the hell?
  • Big Picture... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by HobbitGod42 ( 568144 ) on Sunday May 11, 2003 @01:30AM (#5929355) Homepage
    Does anyone know if there is a BitTorrent file out for the 128mb TIFF? the nasa servers are a bit slow and I feel my hardware cycles and bandwidth could be of use...
  • Re:Very impressed... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by LMCBoy ( 185365 ) on Sunday May 11, 2003 @01:33AM (#5929367) Homepage Journal
    Actually, the really unique thing about this image is the stellar populations. The stars you see in the image are almost all in the Andromeda galaxy (aka M 31), seen here [darkhorizons.org].

    M 31 is 2.2 million light-years away. This is the galaxy that Hubble originally resolved into stars, thereby settling the Shapley-Curtis debate [nasa.gov] on the true scale of the Universe. However, the stars Hubble saw were the very brightest supergiants in M 31. In this HST image, we see stars 2 magnitudes fainter than the ancient main-sequence turn-off; i.e., stars which are intrinsically fainter than our Sun! This lets us learn a lot about the ages and chemical composition of M 31's halo stars, which turn out to be quite different from the stars in our halo (our halo is entirely composed of ancient, metal-poor stars; M 31's halo contains stars that are only 6 Gyr old, and much more metal-rich than our halo).

    I heard Tom Brown give a talk on this work last week; very cool stuff.
  • by Beautyon ( 214567 ) on Sunday May 11, 2003 @05:52AM (#5930002) Homepage
    The most intersting thing about these images now is the fact that they are not blurred:

    This Nature [nature.com] article describes how....hmmm I had better quote:

    "As a beam of starlight hops towards us through countless Planck times, its speed varies. This would smear the beam out so that different parts arrive at different times and distort our picture of where it came from. The longer the journey, the bigger the smear."

    So that means that these deep Hubble photographs should all get more blurry the deeper you look and not razor sharp like we have come to love.

    Its a fascinating problem!
  • by ortholattice ( 175065 ) on Sunday May 11, 2003 @08:26AM (#5930292)
    The article says 300,000 stars were captured in 3.1 arcminutes. Let's see, assuming uniform distribution of them:

    a = angle subtended by capture (radians) = 2*pi*3.1/(360*60) = .000901
    b = area of capture on a sphere of radius 1 =approx= a^2 = .0000008118
    c = fraction of entire sphere = b/(4*pi) = .0000000646
    d = number of visible stars in entire sky = 300000/c = 4,643,000,000,000

    So that means almost 5 trillion stars are visible by Hubble in the entire sky. That's a lot of stars to catalog. (Assuming I didn't err like they did in the $97 trillion RIAA calculation... someone pls double check and flame me if appropriate.)

  • by supernova87a ( 532540 ) <kepler1@@@hotmail...com> on Sunday May 11, 2003 @10:28AM (#5930617)
    Ok, here's the calculation for you curious types, regarding how many photons arrived from the faintest star in the picture:

    Let's suppose that the picture was taken in the "V" filter. I just happen to have the number of photons per second per meter squared that arrive from a star of 20th magnitude: 86.157. (taken from here [utoronto.ca]).

    So the faintest stars in this picture are 31st magnitude? That's 11 mags fainter than 20, which by the handy old formula

    mag1-mag2 = -2.5 * log(flux1/flux2)

    which means that the 30th magnitude star puts out about 4x10^(-5) times as much flux.

    Using the reference star's flux from above, this means that 0.0034299 photons per second per meter squared arrived at Hubble. The exposure was 84 hours, and the area of Hubble is (2.5m)^2*pi, so tada:

    The total number of photons in the picture from the faintest star is: 20365.83

    Still not too shabby. They probably could have found even fainter stuff.
  • by LMCBoy ( 185365 ) on Sunday May 11, 2003 @01:57PM (#5931535) Homepage Journal
    Afraid I don't quite agree with your detective work, there :)

    Your mistake is the assumption that this image is representative of the entire sky's stellar density. HST was pointed near the Andromeda Galaxy for this image; almost all of the stars you are seeing are in the Andromeda Galaxy. Most points on the sky will have a much lower density of stars. See, for example, the Hubble Deep Field [hubblesite.org], which was purposely pointed at an "empty" region of sky, and which contains only a handful of stars.
  • Re:A Galaxy ... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by UnixRevolution ( 597440 ) on Sunday May 11, 2003 @02:56PM (#5931845) Homepage Journal
    Don't forget, this is only 3.1 arcminutes^2 of the sky. that's the size of a grain of sand held at arms-length against the sky, according to the article. That leaves a ton of sky still unseen.

  • by kindbud ( 90044 ) on Sunday May 11, 2003 @11:12PM (#5934042) Homepage
    They pointed the HST at an area of sky 1 degree southwest of the Andromeda galaxy, M31. They wanted to take a census of stars in the halo of M31. So the number of faint stars/sq.arc.min. in this region of the sky is likely to be higher than in other areas. Even though the Milky Way also has an halo of stars that extends in all directions, and so faint stars would be expected to be seen by Hubble if it pointed in any direction, M31's halo of stars would be concentrated in the area of M31 and cause a local abundance in its vicinity.

  • by pyrrho ( 167252 ) on Monday May 12, 2003 @08:30PM (#5941157) Journal
    Then I assume LMC means Large Megellanic Cloud.

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