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Stopping Killer Asteroids 627

Drog writes "Earth has had a few near misses with asteroids recently (although "near hits" would be more accurate). It's just a matter of time, though, before we detect one with our name on it. In this New York Times article, experts discuss the various ways that we might go about saving our planet. Remarkably, nuclear detonations are not a good option, as they would break the asteroid into many pieces and merely increase our odds of being hit. And a detonation some distance away may simply be absorbed by the asteroid with virtually no effect. Instead, say scientists who study asteroid hazards, a gentle sustained push is what's needed (slow and steady wins the race). Some of the approaches have been discussed in science fiction for years--a mass driver, an electromagnetic machine which hurls dirt from the surface, an orbiting parabolic mirror to heat up the surface and create a plume of vaporized material. All of these methods require one thing, however. Time. At least several decades warning."
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Stopping Killer Asteroids

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  • by krinsh ( 94283 ) on Tuesday November 19, 2002 @02:10PM (#4708174)
    I wonder if this is something we should really be focusing time and energy on. You know, there are, at a minimum, eight other planets in this solar system that we should investigate - maybe not colonize, maybe not exploit for mineral or chemical (gas or liquid) resources; but we should look at with humans - not robots. I think we'd gain considerable real insight if we looked beyond our terrestrial sphere.

    But then again; don't we have a few major telescopes in orbit; and thousands more both professional and personal (like mine) on the surface? Shouldn't we be able to note anything on an obvious trajectory here and consider our options at that point? Maybe not; I have no experience in that sort of 'ballistics' thinking and perhaps there are far too many objects in our sky to track any that might cause us serious damage.
  • Frankly, what really worries me - and what the article really fails to address - is the fact that while there are a few programs going on in the Northern Hemisphere, there's not much happening with our buddies in the Southern Hemisphere - that means half the sky isn't really being covered well.

    On another note, who wants to bet that in the event we had, say, 50 years warning, the politicians would be utterly unwilling to do anything about it for at least 48 years?
  • by f.money ( 134147 ) on Tuesday November 19, 2002 @02:15PM (#4708237)
    Your reasoning is correct as far as it goes. But say all those "little" pieces are still too big to burn up in the atmosphere. Now, instead of one big impact, you get N impacts over a wider area (where N>1). Less impacts == good, more impacts == bad (in the general case).


    Jon

  • by Iainuki ( 537456 ) on Tuesday November 19, 2002 @02:17PM (#4708269)
    Nuclear weapons in space act very differently from those in air. To my knowledge, there's never been a detonation in "deep" space: I believe there was a test in low Earth orbit once, but immediately after that the Outer Space treaty was signed (which banned nuclear detonations in space, among other things). The real difference is that a nuclear weapon in space discharges most of its energy in the form of radiation; because there's no air, there's no shockwave. While the radiation would wreak all sorts of havoc with electronic equipment, e.g. satellites, would it cause an asteroid to break up? I'm skeptical. Does anyone know if someone has thought about this question?
  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 19, 2002 @02:25PM (#4708385)
    Total kinetic energy remains the same.
    If an un-fragmented asteroid can hit us with 100 MegaTonnes of force...the fragments will still total up to 100 MT.
    Even if you pulverize it into dust... the 100MT may just get deposited into the atmosphere instead of on the ground
    If the sky above you heats up 1,000 degrees you are still as dead as if the meteorite hit you on the ground and heats up (explodes) the ground 10,000 degrees

    Thomas Dzubin
  • Making Comparisons (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Cali Thalen ( 627449 ) on Tuesday November 19, 2002 @02:26PM (#4708396) Homepage
    People seem to assume that ANY piece that hits the earth will be the end. If you break a moderate-sized asteroid into small pieces, OF COURSE some will hit. And, possibly all the little pieces that hit will burn up in the atmosphere. Of the pieces that do hit, the damage would be MUCH more tolerable.

    It all depends on the situation. If something the size of the moon were to suddenly aim itself at the earth, no amount of nukes would help. But a 1km piece of rock travelling at 25km/sec (which would probably poke a nice hole in the Earth's crust and kill us all) could be blown into 1000 pieces, 10% of which would hit the earth and take out a city block if it hit a city, I'll still vote for the nukes.

    Then again, maybe it's like choosing between being shot with a big rifle or a shotgun. There's only one way to know for sure...and I'll take a pass, thank you very much.

  • by Sylver Dragon ( 445237 ) on Tuesday November 19, 2002 @02:33PM (#4708492) Journal
    Think about an asteroid of a significant size, something on the order of some percent points of Earth's size. Now, if you break such a beast without making sure all pieces will miss (that is, that your bomb will not only break it, but break in such a way that its resultant angular momentum will change drastically), you have just increased the chance that not one, but two or three asteroids with enough mass to destroy civilisation will hit the planet.

    I've always wondered something about this line of reasoning. Everytime I see an argument against the nuclear option, there seems to be an assumption of using only one device. I wonder if it wouldn't be possible to use several devices to disperse an asteroid around our planet? For example, the first device is launched, then after a bit of a lag, say a few days, a second is launched, wash, rinse, repeate.
    My thought is that we could start by fragmenting the object. Then, using a string of devices, both slow and deflect the resultant cloud of matter. In the article they stated that using a nuclear blast near an object, but not on it, to try and push the object off course would probably fail, since the object would absorb the energy. But would this hold true if the object was fragmented? Each piece would be eaiser to move, and most likely, the "cloud", if you will, would have more surface area to be hit by the blast, assuming the same distance from the center of the explosion, more energy would be transfered to the "cloud" than would have been to the object.
    Ideally, if you have a year or so of warning, and you launch with a 1 day delay between devices, you could probably put 100 or so devices on the object before it reached the Earth. and basically set up a poor man's orion drive for the object, or resultant "cloud". What are the possible failings of this idea?

  • by cosmosis ( 221542 ) on Tuesday November 19, 2002 @02:38PM (#4708549) Homepage
    The Solution to preventing an asteroidal impact, assuming time is scarce, is a nuclear rocket. The technology for this was already developed way back in the 1960's, and was shut down for obvious reasons. If an asteroid was going to hit us in less than a year without any prior warning, a massive campaign could get a nuclear rocket launched and into space within 6 months. I haven't done the precise astrodynamic calculations, but the factors are - mass of asteroid, time to left to impact, and specific impulse of nuclear rocket. The higher the specific impulse the less time or large the asteroid can be.

    Keep in mind that even if the asteroid was only a month away from impact and it was heading our way at 7 miles per second, that means that the asteroid would be 18.1 Millions miles away, which means that the angle of its trajectory would only have to be diverted by less than 1/1000th of a degree. A moderately size nuclear rocket could easily divert an asteroid of 1-2 miles in diameter in plenty of time to divert the disaster.

    Planet P [planetp.cc] - Liberation Through Technology.
  • by Cap'n enigma ( 239593 ) on Tuesday November 19, 2002 @02:41PM (#4708583)
    After asteroids almost wiped out all life on this planet on several occasions, is that why we evolved and why we have always looked to the heavens? Did we evolve in order to protect life from these killers from the sky?
  • Bacteria (Score:2, Interesting)

    by 00Monkey ( 264977 ) on Tuesday November 19, 2002 @02:41PM (#4708590) Homepage
    We could engineer some bacteria to eat ICE/Rock/Dirt and that could survive in only non-oxygen environments. Then we could mass produce it and launch it at the Asteroid. Maybe with some luck they could eat it all?
  • by Manhigh ( 148034 ) on Tuesday November 19, 2002 @02:42PM (#4708595)
    I've studied this problem before. The amount of sustained thrust you need, given several years advanced notice, assuming a ~1km diameter asteroid, is on the order of hundreds of Newtons. More than an energy beam could provide. The mass driver isnt a bad idea, BUT the most efficient thrust vector to change the asteroids orbit is along its velocity vector. Asteroids tend to spin on an inertially fixed axis, so you would have to put your thrust along that axis as well. In doing so you waste a lot of thrust.
  • KISS (Score:3, Interesting)

    by sunking2 ( 521698 ) on Tuesday November 19, 2002 @02:48PM (#4708654)
    Come on people, it's obvious that the only real workable solution in the forseable future is nukes. Of course the tricky part is detonation at the appropriate time. Afterall, we're talking about a closure rate that is incredible (100k+ km/hr?).

    Those who claim that the smaller pieces will be just as destructive as the whole are stopping the scenario short. You don't just shoot and hit with one or more at the same time. Over some amount of time you continously hit it with nukes, breaking the smaller pieces into still smaller until the pieces are either too small to do massive damage or blow out of our path.

    In my opinion, all of these exotic solutions are a waste of time and money. Hell, at this point even the nuke solution isn't very feasible and considering the chances of being hit not a very good way to spend money.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 19, 2002 @03:03PM (#4708815)
    There isn't any air in space, so the fire and smoke wouldn't be there. That leaves the pure chemical reaction exploding in a sphere shape cloud of dust/nuclear elements with not much to slow it down. Newtons law says once an object is in motion it says in motion, so unless the asteroid is vaporized, there should still be some rocks coming towards us at an increased speed.

    Astrophysists probably know what will happen, and I'm sure they have done some computer sims of the explosions.
  • A different idea (Score:3, Interesting)

    by DohDamit ( 549317 ) on Tuesday November 19, 2002 @03:24PM (#4709089) Homepage Journal
    Rather than pushing it to the side or destroying it, couldn't we just speed it up, so it passes through the intersection point BEFORE earth gets there? Physicist replies are welcome, all others please stand aside for the people with knowledge.
  • Re:nukes ARE best. (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Kevin Burtch ( 13372 ) on Tuesday November 19, 2002 @03:32PM (#4709159)
    It's obvious you don't know the law of conservation of mass [google.com].

    It's also obvious that you've never seen the video of the exploding whale [google.com].
    Here's a hint... if you start off with an 8 ton whale, and you blow it up, you end up with 8 tons of whale parts! Asteroids also follow this simple rule.
  • The Yarkovsky effect (Score:3, Interesting)

    by kindbud ( 90044 ) on Tuesday November 19, 2002 @04:15PM (#4709568) Homepage
    The effect you are thinking of is called the Yarkovsky effect. The asteroid must rotate for it to come about. What happens is that the afternoon side of the asteroid, having been exposed to the sun longer, is warmer than the morning side and so it radiates more energy, mostly infrared, into space than the morning side. Obviously, the asteroid must rotate for there to be a morning side and a afternoon side.

    How this small net force affects the asteroid's orbit depends on the orientation and direction of the asteroid's spin axis. From this month's Astronomy magazine: [astronomy.com] If the spin goes one way, Yarkovsky thrust adds to the orbital speed and the asteroid moves outward, away from the sun. If the asteroid rotates the other way, Yarkovsky thrust slows the asteroid's orbital velocity, and it draws closer to the sun.

    "Painting" the asteroid with a material to alter its absorption and re-radiation of solar energy is very likely to be the most cost-effective method for altering an asteroid's orbit. It may even be the most practical method, assuming that we have enough time to allow the small change in thrust to alter the orbit enough to cause a miss.

    There is an asteroid that is a very likely candidate for this treatment. 1950 DA was discovered and lost over 50 years ago, but was recovered on Dec 31, 2000, and was recognized as the long lost asteroid soon afterwards. With a 50-year basline to work with, its orbit was found to be in 11 to 5 resonance with Earth, which has the effect of making predictions reliable out to several hundred years. In the year 2641, the resonance will begin to decompose, sending the asteroid into a more chaotic phase of its orbital evolution. But the reliability holds long enough for scientists to recognize that there is a 1 in 300 chance of 1950 DA striking the Earth in the year 2880. This is the highest chance of collision ever estimated for any asteroid, and due to the resonance effects, it is considered very reliable.

    So sometime during the next 900 years or so, we will probably have to decide that an attempt to alter its orbit is necessary. The sooner we act, the more likely we will succeed. 1950 DA is about 1.1 km in diameter, which would directly destroy an area the size of Wisconsin upon impact, and cause widespread devastation over a continent-wide area. But as little as a few tons of white chalk spread over one hemisphere could alter the Yarkovsky effect enough to change its orbit sufficiently over the next few centuries to complete avert any chance of impact.
  • idiot, yourself (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Jeppe Salvesen ( 101622 ) on Tuesday November 19, 2002 @04:22PM (#4709633)
    Legislation is often not founded in science, but in popular opinion. You better come up with some good reasons, not just state history.

    I still argue that one or two a-bombs launched from a remote location with limited tonnage directed towards some properly sized space-rocks is a very acceptable risk if we are to assess technology that could potentially save the entire planet. There isn't much chance that the bombs would go off accidentally while in the atmosphere, and there isn't much chance we will experience an extintion level event.

    The devil is in the details. There isn't much radioactive material in a modern a-bomb - a few kg IIRC. Even less if it's an H-bomb. That is the reason why a nuclear meltdown at a nuclear reactor is such a major disaster - since there potentially is more radioactive material to be dispersed at such a site than there is inside of a bomb.
  • by Sylver Dragon ( 445237 ) on Tuesday November 19, 2002 @05:00PM (#4709942) Journal
    You would probably want to know what those trajectories were before launching your second nuke, and those are going to be hard to predict.

    I agree, this could be a problem. Though you will have a vague idea of where the bits are going to go. You would be able to expect that they would all follow the trajectory of the original object, though modified slightly due to the explosion.
    The object of the follow-up devices wouldn't be to hit pieces individually, but mearly to explode near the remaining pieces and push them into a safer trajectory. As such, I think you could simply explode them at a "best guess" location, maybe also have a bit of fuel on them for manuvering to make last minute corrections.
    Also, this doesn't need to be an exact science really. if it misses us by 1000 miles, or a million miles it won't make a huge difference, as long as it misses.
    Also, we could withstand the impact of a dozen or so Tunguska sized impacts, they would suck, no doubt, but if we could just get the vast majority of the mass of the object to miss us it would save lots of lives. Though I still would agree with the article, it would be nice, if we had enough warning, to use a non-nuclear approch. I'm thinking more of the short term warning.

  • by budgenator ( 254554 ) on Tuesday November 19, 2002 @07:36PM (#4711205) Journal
    5 to 7 KT does this ...crater diameter of 408 m depth of 100 m nuclear detonations produce disapointing crater, rest assured that 10 to 14 million pounds of TNT would have made a much larger hole in the dirt.

    The reason for this is when an nuclear device is detonated, the primary effect is a burst of Gamma radiation. Air absorbs the gamma, and re-radiates X-rays a little cooler until eventualy the radiation drops in color to infra-red. The distance from the center to when the black-body color temp drops to infra-red is called the fireball.

    Dirt or astroid is much more opaque so the results are less. In space there is no air to speak of so what you'd have to do is detonate a ways off the surface so an area is irradiated with gamma, heats up and vaporizes a way giving a push from the mass of the vapors expelled by the astroid. This method might be best if the astroid is heading at us and has a high closing velocity, because time would be short.

    If the astroid was coming from "behind" and closing slower, a reactor powering an engine place on the surface would be much more do able. It would be cool in such a case to place it in a parking orbit, hollow it out and make one whooper of a space-station out of it.

    I've had a fantasy of catching an iron-nickle astroid, heating it up with a parabolic reflector and sunlight and inflating it like a glass-blower would.
  • "We have one chance, one single point of failure, one instance of probability defining the satisfaction of our continuation as a species."

    Well, no. We have only one planet, true, but a planet is a BIG place, it can take a *lot* of damage before it becomes uninhabitable by people. Even if a dinosaur-killer sized asteroid actually hit the planet and ruined the environment and sent us into a new and terrible ice age, we would still have huge amounts of water (later, water ice), oxygen, trace elements, metals, fissile materials (power source) available. In other words, even a post-apocalyptic Earth would have more resources and be more survivable than, say, a domed Mars colony with only very limited supplies of the above items - and it's also worth pointing out that building an airtight shelter than can filter the crap out of the surrounding air is a hell of a lot easier than building an airtight shelter than needs its own self-sufficient air supply, AND has to deal with radiation hazards from the thin Martian atmosphere (I'm assuming mars would be the first choice for a colony), AND deal with the fact that in the event of a breach, you won't have contaminants slowly leaking in - you'll have your air rushing out fast.

    The Earth is vulnerable to an extent, yes. But it's so well-suited to human life that even a terrible cataclymic asteroid impact would leave it more habitable, and a better choice for the future residence of the human race, than anyplace else in the solar system.

    "it is evident from the colonization of the Americas that people desire to go into the unknown, as refected in the popularity of Star Trek and other similar exploration entertainment"

    Well, no. People did not colonize or even explore the Americas for the joy of it - they were looking for gold, or trade routs, or native to indoctrinate and/or enslave. Their mission wasn't "to boldly go where no man has gone before", it was "To boldly go, get rich (or at least get a better life, or religious freedom), and bring glory to the Crown and god". People do NOT abandon their homes for a whimsical love of the unknown, they leave because "the grass is greener...". And their ain't no freaking grass anywhere but Earth.

    "it is not your place to belittle their opportunities. It may be your will to undermine the will of the continuation of the species through this means."
    Excuse me? I didn't mean to belittle any "opportunities" - if the opportunity should someday arise, and people decide against all logic to colonize other worlds, good for them. I wish them nothing but good. I do, however, doubt very much that this will happen, for reasons already discussed.

    "You have not demonstrated that colonization is any less viable than the multi-generational solutions proposed by the NY Times"

    I'm sorry, I should have made the point more clear - but I DID mention that the nytimes ideas use technology we either have now, or could reasonably be expected to have fairly soon. Yes, these are multigenerational solutions, but the issue with colonization isn't time. It's social issues, and to a lesser extent, technology. Building a ship that can sustain life for hundreds or thousands of passengers for months would be *hard* - and please, do not talk to me about suspended animation until it actually exists.

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