Sensors Gone Wild 208
tulanian writes "forbes.com has an interesting article on networked, intelligent sensors. It mentions an experiment done by DARPA where several dozen magnetic sensors were scattered along a road and passing vehicles could be identified by their magnetic signatures."
Well, it sounds like fun.... (Score:2)
High Income = Good Roads? (Score:5, Interesting)
When they're done with the traffic survey -- 24 hours, typically -- the city engineers cut out the sensor, leaving the tape that was stuck to the ground. You'll see these squares all over town -- they don't seem to disintegrate for several months, even after heavy traffic driving over them. The busiest intersections have several of these leftovers.
A Dallas Morning News [dallasnews.com] article a year or so ago detailed the city's use of the boxes, and noted that they could derive detailed information about the vehicles by their magnetic signatures. I didn't put 2 and 2 together, though, until Slashdot came to the rescue...
Dallas is one of the most insanely vehicle-as-status-symbol regions of the country (according to friends who have lived elsewhere). I thought that Carrollton was simply doing a traffic survey no different than the pneumatic roll-over count... but if you can tell a '82 Chevette [chevettes.com] from a brand-new Cadillac SUV [stopsuvs.org], it adds a whole new dimension.
Anyone want to bet against the cities prioritizing road repairs based on relative driver income, as opposed to mere number of vehicles?
Re:High Income = Good Roads? (Score:2, Funny)
Oh, wait. This is slashdot. Move along, please, move along.
Re:High Income = Good Roads? (Score:2)
But would you really want to inconvenience all of those high-powered rich snobs by making them wait in lines while you tear up their favourite road to make it better? They'll just get pissed about having to go around the construction and about the slowdown it causes. Then the next day they'll be back to complaining about all of the potholes.
Re:High Income = Good Roads? (Score:2)
crappiest road systems. both in overall design and in
quality. almost like the world's largest test track for
the big3 automotives located here. hm...
Is this good? (Score:2, Insightful)
Your Tinfoil Hat Will Protect You. (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Your Tinfoil Hat Will Protect You.--paper hats. (Score:2)
Wear and Tear? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Wear and Tear? (Score:4, Funny)
No, quite the opposite. You'll just be scattered along the roads and eventually you'll be everywhere!
Registure with the DOT! (Score:2)
it gets worse... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:it gets worse... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:it gets worse... (Score:2)
Whenever you are visible, you are being profiled. Being visible, especially in an automated manner by the government, may result in interesting profiles brought on by current politics. Cameras are now often seen at intersections. Initially seen as a means of controlling traffic, they may serve other uses. Security cameras watching pedestrians are becoming more common. And the person who writes software that can demonstrate profiling criminals has a goal to make money. Do those cameras see a dollar bill when they see you? Do you really want to walk and expose your face anymore?
Re:it gets worse... (Score:2, Interesting)
the invisible ship? (Score:3)
It won't make you totally invisible [navy.mil], however.
Re:it gets worse... (Score:3, Informative)
You think they can't already do this, by tracking your cellphone?
Re:it gets worse... (Score:2)
Do you really believe this?
Re:it gets worse... (Score:2)
Wouldn't it be very easy to alter this signature? I'm sure it could be hacked fairly easily. If people want privacy, they can dive the millons of perfectly good used cars. If such a scheme was implemented, which is probably highly unlikely, unless Ashcroft becomes president.
Re:it gets worse... (Score:3, Insightful)
You think that they can't already track you? You do realize that you drive around in a car with a unique identifier on it already - the license plate. There are cameras up all over the city, even in small cities these days. If "they" really wanted to track you, they could.
Call me a conspiracy theorist if you want, but the average public these days just doesn't realize how much of their life is being recorded into some database.
License plate readers, transponders (Score:2)
If you're only collecting occasional data, rather than full scans of everybody, technology's been there for a while. A couple years ago, when San Francisco was going to close the Central Freeway, they spent a week videotaping license plates of cars that took it, had a bunch of convicts at the local prison read the plate numbers, and sent everybody a postcard saying that they were planning to close the freeway and please find an alternate route to work. Did the job just fine.
Re:it gets worse... (Score:2)
Somebody slap me? Please?
Scary implications.... ?? (Score:3, Interesting)
I could kinda see this being used for speed checking using the time elapsed between passing different sensors (like VASCAR) if the sensors could differentiate certain cars.
Or knowing where you are at any given time. Hmmm.
Any other suggestions?
Re:Scary implications.... ?? (Score:1)
There are of course numerous far less benign uses for this, though.
Luckily Magnetic Signatures are Infallable (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Scary implications.... ?? (Score:2)
Re:Scary implications.... ?? (Score:2)
You could also do that with EZ-Pass transponders, or for that matter, when you get a toll ticket, it's got the time you entered onto the highway printed on it, and then when you leave the highway, they see how long it took you to get to the exit. But, no one does it. So perhaps nothing to really worry about.
Border watch (Score:4, Interesting)
There are sensors just like these along various stretches of the border between British Columbia, Canada and Washington, USA where the two nations have parallel streets separated only by a shallow drainage ditch. They are presumably there to detect when cars stop to toss bags of marijuana over the border.
Trebucet! (Score:2)
Have to be careful about over-reliance (Score:4, Interesting)
inverse more likely. (Score:2)
How many bridges collapsed last year? In the same period, how many electronic gadgets failed? Fail safe is false positive. It won't work till the sensors are monolithic and embeded within the structure itself, such as part of a composite build up layer. I've got little faith in conventional epoxy on steel strain gauges to report anything but false fails. Critters, frost, dew, corrosion and gremlins will break them.
The "Smart Dust" project refered to in another post and the goal of pervasive audio, visual, chemical and other monitoring is a much more disturbing notion, however. Combined with intelligent local filtering, such a network would enable personal tracking and monitoring of all "suspicious" people and conversations. It would be like a giant prison with robot gaurds to keep us all correct. Lierally, no place would be private and there would be no need for the embeded "ID tags" some fools seem to desire.
THIS IS AN OUTRAGE! (Score:2, Funny)
Fellow
Talk to your congressman or woman and tell them that you don't like sensors. Surely, we can make a change if we all work together.
Now that you've read my post, here's a little note for the dimwitted: it's a joke!
Re:THIS IS AN OUTRAGE! (Score:2)
1984? (Score:5, Funny)
yes, big brother wants to watch, listen, smell... (Score:3)
DARPA has made sensors a top priority, putting up $160 million of its own money and $500 million in matching funds from other U.S. government agencies....the data being sent (video, audio, chemical signature)
But don't worry, top heads are working on the implications.
I'm told that the University of California at Berkely has a copy of 1984 in the library. Someone there might have read about what happens when sensors are so pervasive that it's possible to listen to someone's every word and gesture. Orwell, however, did not imagine intelligent machines such as Carnivore, which could filter "suspicious" paterns and people from the noise. Double plus good purgewise.
People must bellyfeel crimethought. Double plus good kill terrorist and five unidentified accomplices, one US citezen without trial. When big brother knows, everything you do will be easier, safer and more fun.
What a boad of lollocks. (Score:1, Offtopic)
Re:What a boad of lollocks. (Score:3, Funny)
I'm going to stop you there and say probably not.
Re:What a boad of lollocks. (Score:1)
The vast majority of tech articles on Forbes are written for your everyday clueless CEO who wants to see ideas. Whether they work or not, is besides the point. Whether they are good or not is completely irrelevant. This article, although interesting in a "what if" kind of way gives little detail.
Forbes is to be avoided on tech issues. If you want good tech news from a business perspective read the Economist. Or slashdot.com :->
Re:What a boad of lollocks. (Score:1)
Instead of Girls Gone Wild, SQUIRRELS GONE WILD! (Score:2)
Hertz, et al? (Score:4, Insightful)
When will someone get around to inventing the 'cone of silence' so we can have our privacy back?!
cone of silence (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Hertz, et al? (Score:3, Funny)
It's right here, [zapatopi.net] it's usually shaped more like a hemisphere but I'm sure you can make yours into a cone if you like.
P.S.
I agree with you about the rental companies. I just thought giving the link for the cone of silence was amusing.
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Re:Hertz, et al? (Score:2)
If you're really so concerned about your privacy, and keeping the government from knowing you oppose its policies, maybe you should stop showing up to rallies. I mean, it's one to thing to say that you're afraid that if the government can spy on you, they'll be able to know your closely-guarded political beliefs, or your secret conspiratorial meetings. But hey, if you're walking down Pennsylvania Avenue with a big sign that says "No to war with Iraq," chances are the government can figure out that you're against going to war with Iraq, even without Big Brother.
Sounds cool... but.... (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Sounds cool... but.... (Score:2, Interesting)
Although getting mil standard crypto into such small devices might be hard. Then there's the high possibility of them falling into enemy hands and the crpyto key being open to comprimise.
Ignore what I said, you may have a good point.
Re:Sounds cool... but.... (Score:2)
Re:Sounds cool... but.... (Score:4, Interesting)
Actually, there are two very good reasons why the military might want to use crypto. One is that if the sensors are actually providing useful info, the enemy might also find that information useful. If you drop sensors onto the front line, and then manage to advance the line, well now the sensors are transmitting information about the location of your own troops. So you would definitely want that encrypted.
The other is to ensure the integrity of the information. Remember, crypto has more uses than simply preserving privacy. Your sensor array wouldn't be worth a whole lot if the enemy could transmit false data. If you can't trust the sensors, you can't make decisions based upon the data you get back. Imagine if your enemy could inject fake data saying that nothings moving when in fact they are advancing? Or saying that their tanks are miles away from their actual location?
Re:Sounds cool... but.... (Score:2)
Re:Sounds cool... but.... not novel or anything! (Score:2, Interesting)
Check this [att.net].
I guess the novelty is "self-organization" of the data flow over the network itself, but that just feels like buzzword-compliance and military contractor snake-oil to me. And I'm in the military, and recognize snake oil at 30 paces.
But yes, the network traffic will have strong mil-grade encryption, and also have tamper-prevention doohickeys which will destroy all the sensitive and expensive bits if Joe Badguy tries to pull an "all your keys are belong to us".
Re:Sounds cool... but.... (Score:2)
Seems reasonable that one could create a drone plane to search for the signal of these devices (it wouldn't even have to decode it, just home in on it) and then drop anti-sensor devices in the relative area. These anti-sensors could generate short bursts of false data (unlikely to work, if the designers of the sensors do it right, a good design would require some sort of authentication), or could create false magnetic "images" using electromagnetics.
You could drop a load of anti-sensors that generated a magnetic field that looks like a group of foot soldiers and a tank or two. A recon drone would be sent in to check it out, most likely, but given enough deployments, I'm sure it would confuse or overwhelm whomever was deploying the sensors.
Re:Sounds cool... but.... (Score:3, Funny)
... and spam them back to the stoneage with targeted advertising! =)
Clearly, what is needed is... (Score:4, Funny)
Throw in a few rare-earth magnets in his pocket and send the whole system into a tizzy.
Oh, what fun we could have....
Re:Clearly, what is needed is... (Score:2)
Now to get my Gixxer...
Re:Clearly, what is needed is... (Score:2)
some squid on a GSXR-1100 to zip by at some insane speed
Note to non-sportsbikers: Stupid bike riders are called 'squid' because that's what they most resemble after the accident they caused that cost their life.
Oh. I thought he meant SQUID = superconducting quantum interference device, which is a device for measuring extremely small magnetic fields. A SQUID might be of interrest in the sensor itself (if it would work at ambient temperature, that is), but I didn't really understand why he would want one on the bike...
Sociologists and legal people (Score:3, Insightful)
Yes, people are always calling for laws and regulation before the technology has worked itself out. But tt shouldn't work that way. The technology needs to get its fingers everywhere and become popular before we can think about legal and social issues sensibly. Otherwise we are just speculating wildly and choking off the possibility of genuine innovation. (witness the unfortunate too-early regulation of digital music).
I, for one, am at the same time terrified and excited by the idea of sensors everywhere, communicating wirelessly and powering themselves from ambient heat. I have no idea what kind of applications will come of it, but I don't want any regulation until it's "too late."
Re:Sociologists and legal people (Score:4, Insightful)
I sympathize with your concerns that pre-emptive regulation strangles innovation. However, I think the problem lies with the entire approach our society has in dealing with technology. Our society is issue-driven, and deals with issues rather than values. "What is our digital music policy? What is our wire tapping policy? What is our copy protection policy?"...etc.
Instead, we need to formulate a majority expression of our core values regarding matters that have become salient in light of modern technology. Really, I think these boil down to two major domains: Privacy and intellectual property*.
What makes our Constitution so flexibile and adaptive is that it broadly sets out a scaffolding of societal values (at least the Bill of Rights does). But, besides some tangential language in the 4th, there's nothing explicit on privacy. And certainly, IP could never have been anticipated.
I think our societal norms on what constitutes privacy and IP are right now in a state of extreme flux. Once these crystalize, I think much of the debate concerning the legitimacy of many technologies will become moot. For better or worse.
*(OK, there's a 3rd domain: Biological engineering...but this one invokes religion, and so is at a whole other level of complexity. Way, way off from being settled).
Re:Sociologists and legal people (Score:2)
I'm just curious. Do you drive your car with your eyes closed so you can be both terrified and excited about the outcome?
Applications (Score:2)
two quick thoughts (Score:4, Insightful)
Then I would sell em as police detectors.
Second thought, I'm particularly in love with this
"Omron is about to market a system that lets your car recognize you using your fingerprint."
Since we know that fingerprint devices are not that hard to fool...all ya have to do is dust the car you wanna steal for fingerprints (assuming that the owner of the car has indeed touched their car barehanded at some point in time) and do the elmer's glue thing. I'm excited.
Some random thoughts (Score:5, Insightful)
The net is relegated to a small screen and a keyboard. This will detect who you are and where you are.
Is this a Good Thing? I know that it could be used for some very good things, such as instant identity verification, missing & lost persons (the list goes on... I'll spare you) But it seems really, really, really, Big Brotherish, and I'm not so prone to like that very much....
Some new sensors are getting so small--some are invisible to the naked eye--that they will be able to run on 100 microwatts.
Great! So not only can we be watched incessantly, we won't even be able to know IF we're being watched...
At the 100-microwatt level they could gather energy from ambient heat and photovoltaic cells, says Stephen Senturia, a specialist in microsystems at MIT. His colleagues are working on making chips so small that they can power themselves, like watches that need only the kinetic energy generated by movements of the wearer's wrist.
ok, most thought provoking idea in this comment coming right up...
At what point is something sentient and self supporting enough to be considered life? I know that this is relying on a backbone of support, but really, this single feature is actually very interesting if you really think about it. It is capable of sensing it's environment, it's self supporting... has a definate life span... hmmm.. this is really somewhat one the edge of being electronic and creeping towards being alive...
Just my crazy thoughts, but I think this is something we all need to watch carefully, both for the positive aspects of it, and also to be sure (as sure as we can be anyhow) that this is not being used as just another minon of Big Brother... Of course a small amount of Big Brotherism is really quite acceptable, and if used properly this technology could really be a sign of great things to come... I just hope it is used in a way that we would all approve of...
for some real fun (Score:2, Interesting)
I had an idea for a cool project.. (Score:5, Funny)
They would run motion detection software that would basically write to a database when it detected movement. By measuring the time between the two motion captures and knowing the difference in length between the cameras, I could calculate how fast people drive by my house.
By going to my homepage, you would see something like:
Last car went by at: 07:05:30 am
It was going 38.9mph. 3.9 over the speed limit!
Anyways, until the price of wireless network cams [wsj.com] come down, I guess it's just a thought.
MICA sensor motes (Score:5, Informative)
These tests were down with MICA sensor motes [xbow.com] which can be purchased from Crossbow Technology [xbow.com].
These motes run TinyOS [berkeley.edu], which was developed at UC Berkeley [berkeley.edu].
More information about TinyOS:
Yes, my job does involve programming for these motes. I have four of them on my desk acting as an ad-hoc wireless sensor network now.
Re:MICA sensor motes (nesC Compiler link) (Score:1)
Re:MICA sensor motes (Score:1)
Aetherwire's Vingean Ultrawideband Locators (Score:2)
later on the nature channel (Score:5, Funny)
Be amazed by real live footage of sensors watching other sensors!
Be captivated by the secret sensor mating ritual!
(mount, fsck, unmount!)
Laugh at sensors hopping [darpa.mil] around the battle field like little [independentproject.com] metal [independentproject.com] frogs [independentproject.com].
Be horrified by real live footage of sensors mauling some guy who sprayed himself with sensor musk!
Re:later on the nature channel (Score:4, Interesting)
It's very funny that you link to the DARPA SHM program. The Forbes "Sensors Gone Wild" article that Slashdot linked to today is talking about work done at the Center for Embedded Network Sensing [ucla.edu] at UCLA (and the closely associated UCLA LECS lab [ucla.edu], also run by Deborah Estrin). Now, a few of us lowly graduate students [ucla.edu] working at the UCLA lab/center also work for Sensoria Corp [sensoria.com], which was one of the main contractors for the SHM project. A lot of the research was very complementary. I'll plug my own research here -- the fine grained network time synchronization [ucla.edu] that we developed at UCLA/LECS is public domain and also made its way into the SHM project. There's other crossover as well (e.g. some of the acoustic ranging work); check out Sensoria's publications page [sensoria.com].
I was at the SHM demo on an army base this past March and again this past August, and let me tell you, seeing those things actually hop is quite exciting. Especially when you're the one with your finger on the "ARM ALL" button
Re:later on the nature channel (Score:2)
Blah.
Sensors go wild (Score:3, Funny)
Is it part of the When Animals Go Wild and Girls Gone Wild Series?
Re:Sensors go wild (Score:2)
I was wondering if I was the only pervert having visions of drunk sensors converging on new orleans every february and exposing their "naughty bits" for cheap plastic beads after reading that headline.. Ah, Sensors Gone Wild Volume 9: Infrared Exposed.. Can't wait.
Shayne
Magnetic Sensors? (Score:1)
How long before Glock starts making cars?
New Application of Old Technology (Score:5, Interesting)
One imagines that an intelligence agency wishing to assassinate a foreign president/dictator could achieve similar success using the sensors described in the Forbe's article - they need merely tune the sensors to the signature of the target's limo, and lay them on a public road on the way to his residence.
Magnetic Sensors Can't See my Plastic Pontiac (Score:2, Funny)
It was a (bad) joke! (Score:2)
J.
Tin Foil (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Tin Foil (Score:2)
The future is looking worse all the time. Someone will come up with realistic jamming I hope. Van De Graph generators for zapping them? EMPs to fry their little recievers? Firecrackers? Any good ideas? If they become pervasive, you won't know which ones are listening to your conversation from the ones that are reporting from your power meter. Will your new digital TV have feed back, ala 1984.
I thought it was bad at my last job when I found out that my new computer's internal microphone was on and imposible to disable, creepy. Ha Ha [min.net] is not so funny when you start to consider all the closed source computers you have in your house that want to talk to the network.
This is a stretch (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:This is a stretch (Score:3, Interesting)
Technology not mature yet (Score:2)
I'm guessing by "identify" they mean something more like counting jeeps vs. trucks vs. tanks.
I think you are correct. The ability to distinguish gross classes of vehicles is much easier than trying to distinguish between models or manufacturers.
Is there any reason to belive that any physical aspect if a single model of car varies enough to be measurable as any sort if identifier?
This research is in a very early stage so this is probably one of the questions they are trying to answer. However, if their system is accurate enough to pick up minute differences in vehicle types like this, it renders them susceptable to mistakes due to slight modifications of the vehicle. A sensor net that is super accurate is likely to not ID a Honda Accord with a big dent in the side as an Accord. And good luck trying to deal with one that has a mountain bike attached to the the roof!
Bottom line is that Automatic Target Recognition (ATR) and Unattended Ground Sensors (UGS) are two technologies which are very much in their early stages. Don't get super worried about the Feds fusing the data from sensors sprinkled all over your hometown to construct a detailed map of your driving habits.
GMD
Re:Technology not mature yet (Score:2)
Hah! My rear wing not only makes my Accord faster, [riceboypage.com] it makes it stealthier! Ear your heart out, 007!
Re:This is a stretch (Score:2)
sensors gone wild! not to be confused... (Score:3, Funny)
nor should we confuse this with "censors gone wild", where you have a bunch of girls running around with black blocks and blurs over there chests.
Spoofing (Score:3, Insightful)
Am I wrong?
Re:Spoofing (Score:2)
Re:Spoofing (Score:2)
You don't ask questions about music around here though. A few years ago someone was shot and killed. News reports said it was an argument over regge music. That's just not right.
Great! (Score:3, Funny)
It's done already, at red light cameras (Score:5, Informative)
There are two sensors about four meters apart, one just before and one just after the stop line. These sensors can identify speed and "weight" (magnetic mass) of the vehicle. The magnetic signature is unique to each vehicle model.
In BC, the sensors activate the camera only when the car actually enters the intersection on a red. If you've entered on a yellow, no camera.
Because of the speed-measuring capability, some Vancouver-district municipalities have also really put the screws to the boy-racer fuckups who are street-racing -- speeds like 140kmh through a red light. Ticket for running the red, ticket for reckless driving, ticket for speeding, etc.
Ticket revenue goes directly back to the red light camera operations. The municipalities and government see no money from this system, thereby eliminating any incentive to generate additional revenue by diddling the yellow-light timing and or going all heavy on the marginal cases. The camera supplier doesn't get money, either (and, thus, were of absolutely no use whatsoever when it came time to provide technical support.)
Camera-monitored red lights in BC are showing significant reductions in accidents. Indeed, the savings generated by not paying out claims is proving to be a remarkable value, and insurance companies across North America are starting to realize that spending money on accident reduction will increase their bottom-line profits.
All in all, it's a hella fine system. Our government-tamed insurance monopoly provides us with basic insurance and uninsured driver insurance, plus is mandated to work with municipalities and the RCMP to increase road safety and decrease accident rates. Our public insurer operates in a not-profitable manner: they're not expected to (and are, in fact, expected to not) produce profits.
All our other insurance (liability, collision, whatever else you dream of having) is provided by third-party insurers, so we really get the best of both worlds: a public insurer who's looking out for our basic needs and safety; and private insurers who compete to provide all else.
Sorry this turned into a bit of an insurance/insurer rant, but the public insurer aspect is crucial to the success of our red light camera system, because it eliminates the urge to use the cameras as a profit center instead of a safety tool.
Re:It's done already, at red light cameras (Score:2)
At the same time, even public cameras need to be severely restricted to uses such as red light monitoring, as my right to privacy extends to the sorts of public places I hang out in, like churches, bars, and S&M clubs.
Incredible (Score:3, Interesting)
The implications that are present here produce visions of gathering nodes of information and data not just in the random and simplistic fashions of the internet's present structure, but in the processing fundamental functions of seperate personalities and intelligently focused mini-brains automatically approaching a consciousness as they communicate.
I think the statement made in the article about this "tech being better than the internet" could be accurate, but only when you think on how this could be connected to the internet in some useful way. Where, if the internet is a simple organism, this would be one of its senses - one using the other.
quotage (Score:3, Insightful)
--umm, just maybe this isn't such a hot idea. Just because you CAN do something doesn't mean you SHOULD do something. The idea of government having tiny little sensors to track you all over is just...wrong. just....wrong. This is a "get it" or you "don't get it" deal methinks.
Magnetic Signatures (Score:3, Informative)
You Are All Barmy (Score:4, Insightful)
Remote Sensor System (Score:4, Informative)
The system in this article appears to potentially be the next generation of this sensor system.
(Any current or former GSR feel free to drop me a line)
I've heard about this (Score:3, Interesting)
The major drawback to this was that the technology relied on specific patterns formed by the car running over coils under the street (creating inductance). This worked very well if the car's physical makeup didn't change at all, but if someone were to put some scrap iron in the trunk, the unique signature would be changed.
This was actually done quite some time ago, I think in the 1980s. It's pretty cool technology, because the underlying concept is so simple, but it isn't practical in the real world.
Jamming? (Score:2)
I think it would be safe assumption that this would cause horrible problems for these sensors...
Amazing progress (Score:4, Informative)
There is nothing in the current motes that can not be miniaturized. In three years this demo will be done with a 6" aircraft, and millimeter-scale sensor nodes.
This is all leading to "Smart Dust" [slashdot.org].
other methods (Score:2)
You could also probably identify the vehicle by the characteristic radio frequencies given off by the electronics. If not the style, at least the manufacturer and model year.
Then calculate and display its location on the heads-up display on your windshield. But someday vehicles will all be RF tagged anyway... "CowboyNeal's Pinto at 5 o'clock and closing fast."
Re:Obligatory Mirror - LINK IS GOATSE!!!!!!! (Score:1, Redundant)