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Build Your Own Cyclotron 200

kenthorvath writes "This guy and his friend built their own cyclotron, capable of 1 MeV protons using spare parts and surplus science equipment. Anyone else happen to have a 4600 lb. magnet lying around?"
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Build Your Own Cyclotron

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  • by shadowj ( 534439 ) on Sunday October 20, 2002 @06:46PM (#4491668)
    Looks like they've managed to duplicate one of the first cyclotrons [aip.org]. Question is, what are they going to do with it?
  • Re:Terrorism (Score:5, Informative)

    by packeteer ( 566398 ) <packeteer AT subdimension DOT com> on Sunday October 20, 2002 @06:49PM (#4491683)
    Oh god this has been argued before. In the 1970's in the supreme court case The Progressive vs. The United States cencorship of nuclear info was tested. The Progressive wanted to publish a layman's description of an H-Bomb in order to show that it was not some "secret" and that keeping it as a "secret" would not work or help anything. The govt. took them to courst and the supreme court decided to cencor them. Its sad but true that these things happen but the supreme court setup some rules about when its ok to publish info and this is something that clearly is not dangerous.
  • by shadowj ( 534439 ) on Sunday October 20, 2002 @07:27PM (#4491834)
    Fission bombs are fairly easy to build. Getting the materials is the only real problem, since Wal Mart doesn't sell weapons-grade plutonium.

    You can make 'em out of U-235, too, which is a little easier to come by. It's still not all that easy to build one. Assuming that you manage to machine and assemble the fissionable mass without killing yourself, there's the little matter of making the conventional explosives that work as a trigger do their thing in the right way, at the right time. If you're building a bomb that uses explosives to crush a hollow sphere of fissionable material, for instance, you have to make sure that all the charges fire at exactly the right time, or it'll fizzle.

  • by NortWind ( 575520 ) on Sunday October 20, 2002 @07:57PM (#4491942)
    It might be easier to build a linear accelerator [pelletron.com]. It is basically a bigger Van deGraf [amasci.com] generator, and (I think) much easier to build than a cyclotron to get a 1MV beam.
  • by CharlesEGrant ( 465919 ) on Sunday October 20, 2002 @08:02PM (#4491977)
    There's easy and then there's easy. Certainly the gun-type bomb is easier to build then an implosion bomb. That doesn't mean that it is a piece of cake. Among other problems uranium is pyrophoric, which means you have to do your machining in an oxygen free environment. I don't think your typical neighborhood machine shop runs sealed lathes pressurised with N2.

  • Just a request... (Score:3, Informative)

    by NanoGator ( 522640 ) on Sunday October 20, 2002 @09:35PM (#4492387) Homepage Journal
    ... not all of us instantly know what a 'cylcotron' is, and the sites that articles link to aren't always avaialable due to /. traffic.

    So, please, when you post an article to /., please consider defining what the device is and why it's interesting. At the very least, link to a glossary term somewhere on the net that explains it. Please don't assume that a.) We all know what everything means or b.) That the people who don't know the term wouldn't be interested anyway.

    *meant as a polite request, not bittery sarcastic or anything*

  • by Swinekilla ( 619155 ) on Sunday October 20, 2002 @11:08PM (#4492782)
    I reciently toured the National Superconducting Cyclotron Laboratory at Michigan State University. Check out the K1200 Cyclotron under the technology category. They got it coupled to the K500 cyclotron currently. It's pretty sweet to see technology that goes way beyond your head, first hand. http://www.nscl.msu.edu/
  • by cybermace5 ( 446439 ) <g.ryan@macetech.com> on Monday October 21, 2002 @12:08AM (#4493016) Homepage Journal
    I think the rest of it involves putting a neutron source at the interface of the two pieces. I remember something about a phosphorous isotope, but don't quote me on that.

    Nuclear weapons that operate on this principle usually have a sphere with a large hole bored in one side, and a plug of U-235 with the particle source on the tip. The plug is fired into the hole (adding up to the critical mass), the source emits particles at the center of the sphere, and no one is around to observe what happens next.

    All you need, in addition to the material and firing mechanism, is a concentrating layer around the core. Beryllium is ideal (Hollywood got that one right in The Shadow) but even water will work. If beryllium is used, the end of the plug will have a piece of beryllium on it, so that when the plug is fired, the warhead is completely enclosed in the concentrating layer with the source activated at the center. There has been speculation that a nuclear bomb could be assembled in a filled bathtub or toilet, making the size of the weapon much easier to hide and smuggle.

    The people most worried about the possibility of homebrew nuclear weapons are those closest to the development of these weapons. That is the scary part.
  • by Shadok8 ( 58859 ) on Monday October 21, 2002 @12:30AM (#4493120)
    I have an old 1950's Scientific American book of experiments. It features reprints of articles from the magazine.

    They have a lengthy article on how to build a 1 MEV particle accelerator. It generates a "spray" of alpha products if I remember correctly. Since this is from the 1950's I just love how in light of recent discoveries, the author recommends leaving the room if you plan to operate it for more than a couple of hours.

    Similar warnings are given that a home made X-ray machine may have some risks.

    Articles also include:
    Build a steel rocket with launch girder assembly that reaches a 1 mile altitude. They recommend having a desert for launching.
    Build a telescope, hand grinding the mirrors.
    Build the 1MEV Van de Graff generator to power the accelerator.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 21, 2002 @01:27AM (#4493301)

    Actually several points in your note are incorrect. First the name of the place of Oak Ridge TN. Also known as Clinton Engineering Works, part of the Manhattan Project.

    Several methods were used to seperate U-235/238 at teh Oak Ridge facilities, of which one was a cyclotron-based production train.

    As to the long term effects of cyclotrons on the buildings, in the mid '80s my office was to be on the magnet floor of one of the cyclotron buildings. The building had already been reused at least twice before that. (The Aircraft Nuclear Propulsion project was in there during the 1950's, and during the 1960's the clear bay in the middle of the building was used for part of the drop tests of nuclear fual transport vessels.)

    There are buildings in the Oak Ridge DOE reservation that I wouldn't want to spend much time in, but the stories that they were rendered unusable are just that, stories without facts.

    John Farmer (Contractor at all the OR sites from 1979 - present, Mother & father at OR sites from 1943 to 1990)
  • by AJWM ( 19027 ) on Monday October 21, 2002 @01:43AM (#4493343) Homepage
    This should not have been modded up as insightful, but rather modded down as disinformative.

    Where to begin?

    Yes, the Hiroshima bomb ("Little Boy") was of the enriched-uranium type, but the uranium was enriched in gas centrifuges, not cyclotrons. (As uranium hexafluoride gas, with the U235 hexafluoride being somewhat lighter than U238 hexafluoride).

    The Nagasaki bomb ("Fat Man") was of the plutonium implosion type, no uranium involved. It was originally targeted for the arsenal at Kokura, but the weather forced diversion to the backup target (Nagasaki).

    The actual yield of the Nagasaki bomb was about 33% greater than Hiroshima (21kt vs 15-16kt), not "not that much smaller".

    The only thing a cyclotron has in common with a gas centrifuge is that stuff goes around in circles in both.
  • Re:bubble chamber (Score:4, Informative)

    by meringuoid ( 568297 ) on Monday October 21, 2002 @04:25AM (#4493820)
    if this is impossible and I must have seen something else, tell me, I could be wrong.

    It's impossible. You must have seen something else. I tell you, you're wrong.

    It couldn't possibly have been neutrinos - the setups to detect those are huge things, vast underground caverns full of bleach or water. The vapour would detect much heavier particles... Was there a radioactive source nearby?
  • by Lazar Dobrescu ( 601397 ) on Monday October 21, 2002 @10:01AM (#4494939)
    This guy [umich.edu] did it about 8 years ago, and he was in high school. You can see his two projects here [umich.edu] and here [umich.edu].

    Building a cyclotron is not that difficult technically, but finding all the needed material might be(high voltage for the magnet, and especially the vacuum pump able to get it down to about 10^-5 atmospheres...) In all cases, it certainly is an interesting project to take up if you have interest in physics, as it touches a lot of different fields of physics and teaches you a thing or two about how simple it can be to make such a complicated experiment work in theory, while being such a pain in the friggin a** in practice...

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