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Hundreds Spot Fireballs In Colorado, Nearby States 509

pingpong writes "Hundreds of people in Colorado and 7 surrounding states have reported seeing "fireballs" in the night sky. They are described as being 10 to 15 times larger than a normal shooting star and bluish in color. Two people even claimed to see one land, but it has yet to be found. The Daily Camera is reporting it online here." Field reports invited.
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Hundreds Spot Fireballs In Colorado, Nearby States

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  • Witness (Score:5, Interesting)

    by dargaud ( 518470 ) <[ten.duagradg] [ta] [2todhsals]> on Wednesday October 09, 2002 @01:23AM (#4414906) Homepage
    As a mountain climber I often sleep out and high up, so have an excellent view of shooting stars. But the weirdest of all looks like that report. It was 54 years ago in central Italy, driving at night on a desert mountain road. I saw a fiery fireball in the sky, moving slowly from left to right.

    I had the time to: understand (maybe) what it was, wake up my wife, stop the car, get out an look. Total time maybe 20 seconds. The 'object' was moving slowly, spewing green flames and eaving a long lasting orange trail behind. Trajectory was more or less horizontal. It disapeared in a flash. I tried to listen but there wasn't any noise besides the cooling car engine.

  • by ruiner13 ( 527499 ) on Wednesday October 09, 2002 @01:29AM (#4414938) Homepage
    "It's quite astounding that we've seen two in two nights," said John Bally, an astrophysics professor at CU. "Sporadic fireballs are quite rare. Unless we're in a meteor storm, it's very uncommon."

    Um, so why can't we be in a meteor storm? They find new comets and asteroids all the time, why can't there have been one that passed through the orbit of the earth that we missed? Anyway, I think it's probably just a satellite that was in geosync orbit over that area that came apart over a few days. That would explain why the fireballs have been fairly localized, and the unusual colors come from the variety of unique metals in most space objects we build. I imagine based ont he color descriptions of the flames they'd be able to at least take an educated guess on what compounds were combusing. Let's all just hope that whatever came down didn't bring any radioactive material with it.

  • by mesocyclone ( 80188 ) on Wednesday October 09, 2002 @01:31AM (#4414950) Homepage Journal
    Many years ago, my family was driving from El Paso, TX to Albuquerque, NM, when we saw a number of fireballs. The first occurred just after sunset, was visually a large, bright green glowing object leaving a smoke trail. It traveled east to west and lasted about 10 seconds, then broke up into two pieces and disappeared. We were just north of El Paso, and were listening to KOMA in Oklahoma, City - there were many reports called in to them from many states.

    As the drive continued, we saw about 6 more fireballs, all red, all running east to west, through the rest of the evening.

    Quite a show. The clear and thin high altitude air of the rockies, along with the lack of city lights, makes these sitings a lot more common in those areas.

    We didn't see any LGM, however.
  • Planet X (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Jin Wicked ( 317953 ) on Wednesday October 09, 2002 @01:34AM (#4414960) Homepage Journal

    There are many people that believe in the year 2003, another planet is going to enter our solar system from either outside the solar system or another dimension. It's known either as Planet X, or a name that starts with N, which escapes me at the moment... I do find it an interesting coincidence that a story was just posted about the discovery of a new planet, and now to hear of these bizarre fireballs. I'm sure they're having a field day with this on the Art Bell show tonight. I'm a skeptic on all things "extraterrestrial" and paranormal, but it's still really interesting to listen to. :)

  • by grumpygrodyguy ( 603716 ) on Wednesday October 09, 2002 @01:39AM (#4414975)
    My favourite quote: "in the Gunbarrel area...". Americans! You're so damn steeped in gun culture you name neighbourhoods after weapons' parts.

    True true, but as a previous resident of Colorado I can tell you that these names are at least 120 years old. They were so-named during the frontier era when the only thing that kept you alive was your gun. Mountain men relied on thier weapon for food and for protection. That's just the way it was in the West during the 1800s, and that's why they named stuff the way they did.

    It just makes a canajen boy shake his head and celebrate the difference.

    Maybe you should study your countries' history a bit more.
  • Nibiru (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Jin Wicked ( 317953 ) on Wednesday October 09, 2002 @01:39AM (#4414977) Homepage Journal

    is the planet's name, for anyone who wants to do a Google search or look on Art's site about it. I should also mention that they expect highly evolved alien races to accompany this giant planet/spaceship. :)

  • by Ironpoint ( 463916 ) on Wednesday October 09, 2002 @01:41AM (#4414986)

    These big, slow green fireballs happen from time to time. The only difference this time is that there were two different consecutive fireballs in two days. Its probably two chunks of the same rock...

    Just like shoemaker-levy did when it smashed an earth sized crater in Jupiter. No worries.
  • Re:Could it be? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by echosilex ( 558233 ) on Wednesday October 09, 2002 @02:03AM (#4415073)
    Sodium results in a yellow color upon burning. For a blue color, you'd burn copper compounds.

    Here's an interesting thing to try--
    Stick a couple of old forks in a pickle with the handles pointing away from each other. Split a power cord down the middle and attach some alligator clips to the cut off part. Attach the clips to the forks and put the plug in the wall. After a few seconds, you'll see the pickel glow yellow between where the forks are stuck in the pickle. It's pretty neat to watch.
  • by jamesh ( 87723 ) on Wednesday October 09, 2002 @02:08AM (#4415089)
    54 comments, and only one triffid reference??? and that one made reference to the _stupid_ movie where salt water killed them.

    what's wrong with you people!

    maybe there's just nothing funny about plants that eat people...
  • by Ektanoor ( 9949 ) on Wednesday October 09, 2002 @02:21AM (#4415135) Journal
    I read a few days ago that near Irkutsk, Russia a big meteorite seem to have fallen in a remote location. The thing seemed to be huge and it seems to have landed as there was a small quake after getting out of view.

    Besides, if I don't miss things it looks like that there is one more account about a similar phenomena out of the USA. Unfortunately I don't remember the place.

    So, it seems that we are inside some fresh new cloud of cosmical debris. The events we see are probably the result of Earth crossing the trajectory of Kuiper belt newcomer. Usually, when this happens, we get some spectacular phenomena on the skies, usually presented as meteorite showers. However this fireball show is surely less usual to see. The fact that this lasts for a few days is probably the result that the newcomer crumbled to pieces while approaching the Sun.
  • Re:Meteor Showers (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Dalcius ( 587481 ) on Wednesday October 09, 2002 @02:21AM (#4415136)
    I found it odd that they said it happened at almost the exact same time on both nights and each night it was heading in a different direction.

    Being in Colorado, if on the chance it was our government playing with a new toy, I wouldn't be surprised. IIRC, Nevada, offshore California and the Rocky Mountains and parts of Colorado are prime testing areas.

    There are some pretty crazy ideas out there for propulsion, however I know of none that would create anything this big in such a shape (tail only 2-3x longer than width one person stated in the Denver Post article). This also doesn't explain descriptions of "chunks falling off" of the fireball.

    I have yet to see "Signs." I suppose in this case that's a good thing. =)
  • by valmont ( 3573 ) on Wednesday October 09, 2002 @02:49AM (#4415204) Homepage Journal
    heh heh. if only i had mod points. u should sell this to The Onion ;]

    Oh gawd, i can't wait 'till the onion gets a field day out of those stories.

  • by Captain_Chaos ( 103843 ) on Wednesday October 09, 2002 @02:51AM (#4415217)
    It's very odd that the CNN article said the second fireball was going the other way from the first one. If they were both from a debris cloud and occurred at the same time in the same place they should have been going in exaclty the same direction since they would be travelling in more or less the same direction and the orientation of the Earth in relation to their path would be more or less the same...

    If the article is correct, one or both of the fireballs must have been something else, such as a sattelite reentering the atmosphere, despite all the quotes from experts saying that they were meteorites...
  • by Keyan ( 115515 ) on Wednesday October 09, 2002 @03:23AM (#4415277) Homepage

    It wasn't one of the most recent fireballs, but the one on September 6th [cloudbait.com].

    It was probably around 8 at night and I was walking back to my dorm room (Univ of Colorado at Colorado Springs [uccs.edu]) from work. I was almost back to the campus when I saw a bright but small fireball in the northeast sky. Mostly white with a bluish tinge it moved pretty slowly (for a metor/shooting star) across the sky, parallel to the ground, and leaving behind little particles that glowed briefly before fading away. After about 30 seconds, the fireball itself faded away.

    Since there was a plane in the sky near where I saw it first, I thought it was a firework or something shot from the plane. Maybe the military testing something (who doesn't like a good mystery?). For some reason, a metor never occured to me.

    I've always wanted to see one of these, cool.

  • by saskboy ( 600063 ) on Wednesday October 09, 2002 @03:45AM (#4415315) Homepage Journal
    Canadian Fireballs [uregina.ca] ... and other Astronomy information can be had from this website. It is part of my Astronomy professor's site, and he specializes in fireballs.
  • Re:Planet X (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Nedmud ( 157169 ) on Wednesday October 09, 2002 @03:49AM (#4415319)
    I read about something called the "Nemesis Theory", by Richard Muller, which proposes that Sol is actually a binary star system (in which Sol B is called Nemesis or the Death Star ;-). Every 26 million years Nemesis passes through the Oort cloud and collects comets, some of which hit us.

    The evidence for this is the periodic drops in biodiversity (i.e. mass extinctions) that seem to occur every 26 million years (according to some paleontolists). However, we are between extinctions, and should be relatively trouble free for more than 10 million years.

    From other posts in the vicinity it looks like Nemesis wasn't what you were talking about, but I guess it's in the same category. Personally, I think we would know if there was another star--even a small dark one--that close to us.

    (Source: Michio Kaku, _Hyperspace_, pp. 296-298. Recommended for people like me who can't get past first-year university but like scientific things anyhow.)
  • Re:Nibiru (Score:2, Interesting)

    by sireasoning ( 576345 ) <si@nOspAM.mindspring.com> on Wednesday October 09, 2002 @03:56AM (#4415331) Homepage
    a little history:
    Nibiru is the Sumerian term for this planet, which is estimated to have a 3,600 earth year cycle.

    The Sumerians had a complete record of all of the known planets (including the recently discovered ones such as Uranus, Neptune and Pluto), they knew that Uranus and Neptune were watery planets and had been knocked on their side among other facts we are now rediscovering, and they even had a layout of our solar system before its current order when the earth was positioned where the current asteroid belt is located and pluto was a moon of saturn.

    If this planetary body is indeed quickly shooting through our solar system again (some feel that it is really a red dwarf sun with satelites).

    The last time it would have approached would have been around the time of the biblical exodus. During that time there were peculiar weather patterns and ecological imbalances that led to a plague of locusts, which in turn probably created the plague of frogs, etc. The parting of the red sea would make sense in terms of a tsunami. They were told to go to the edge of the Red Sea, as it receded they quickly crossed it and headed to the next mountain range. By the time the Egyptians came chasing after them, they got hit by the full force of the Tsunami.

    Approx 3,600 years before the exodus would have been the time of the great flood (which has been recorded in multiple places around the globe and is not just limited to the middle east.)

    The key to both of the above stories is that there was little warning before these huge events. The few voices of warnings were largely ignored or ridiculed.

    One other curious fact. The symbol of this planet was similar to the winged globe common in Egypt. Check out this NASA SOHO picture of the sun in September
    http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/data/rea ltime/javag if/gifs/20020918_1842_c3.gif
    or
    http://makeashorterlink.com/?Q43E216D1
    I thought this was a fraud until I downloaded it from NASA's site. You will find this type image throughout the region, not just in Egypt.
  • Re:Better story (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Afrosheen ( 42464 ) on Wednesday October 09, 2002 @04:44AM (#4415419)
    Considering the distance away the meteor had to be to appear 1-2 inches in diameter, that's pretty damn big and significant. I'd say the usual meteor diameter is a few millimeters at best.

    The weird thing is, I work with a guy that takes the bus every morning. He waits for the bus pretty early when the sun is just about to rise. He told me all about some super beautiful fireball he saw streaking across the sky about 2 weeks ago. I calmly explained that it was just a meteor but he kept insisting that it was different, he'd never seen one like this before. He went on and on about it, how it was a bright blue streak, etc. At the time, I wrote it off, but now it seems to be a phenomenon.

    Guess there was relevance in his story after all. He'll love to hear about this story :)
  • Re:Witness (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Afrosheen ( 42464 ) on Wednesday October 09, 2002 @04:53AM (#4415447)
    I saw something unbelievable one time, true story. About 5 friends and I and an old girlfriend were hiking one night at Turner Falls. We sat on top of this cave and watched the stars since it was such a clear night and we were accustomed to seeing just a few stars in the city. One person noticed a darker star that was moving. We got excited and everyone looked for it, and saw it. It was probably a satellite because it was moving in a straight line.

    Here's where the craziness comes in. The more we looked at the sky, the more people started to see more satellites. In all there were probably 8 we could watch moving, all in vector paths from the horizon to some point in the sky. That point ended up being nearly directly overhead from us.

    Once the dark stars reached a central point, they formed a slowly rotating circle. None of us could believe what we were seeing and we were all scared shitless. None of us could look away either because it was so unreal.

    After less than ten minutes, we saw clouds blowing in hard from the south. The wind probably hit 20mph in a matter of minutes and we decided it was probably a good idea to leave. The dark stars were still circling overhead when the clouds fully obscured our view of the sky.

    We drove fast and hard all the way home and nobody said much of anything. We beat the storm home and it was fairly clear outside except for the clouds coming up from the south where we had been. I don't know if anyone else besides myself has told the story but I don't blame them if they haven't. It sounds like bullshit to anyone who hears it, and it still freaks me out to this day.
  • Re:Say what? [funny] (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Lumpy ( 12016 ) on Wednesday October 09, 2002 @06:45AM (#4415665) Homepage
    Actually I observed one of these 3 weeks ago at arounf 9:30pm on the west coast of lake michigan. although I think the size's reported are way off in regards to what I saw.

    They are just larger meteors.. I have seen about 6 in my lifetime like this... but then I spend lots of time looking at the sky at night (3-4 nights a week in the hottub for 30-45 minutes staring at the open night sky)

    the interesting thing is their approach direction is wrong.. for the time of the night it should have been from the west and more vertical as the planet was travelling in the direction at that time.. this one reentered as if it had been orbiting the planet from an odd direction (from the north) and was very flat(travelled across the sky with no visible angle toward the ground)

    I highly doubt that these are special at all.. Meteorites happen... get over it people.
  • by Pushnell ( 204514 ) on Wednesday October 09, 2002 @10:25AM (#4416505)
    I live in northcentral Wisconsin, and I happened to have been driving last night at about 2am (*ahem* ....) when I saw something extremely similar to these fireballs. The one I saw was relatively slow-moving (about a 2-second display,) and appeared in the eastern sky. Extremely large (approx 10x usual meteorite size) and blueish in color, it traveled in a nearly vertical line from about 70 degrees to below the tree line. (15 degrees?) I never saw it burn out. It left no vapor trail, and I immediately slowed my vehicle & rolled down my window, but heard no sound.

    Perhaps these things are happening over a larger range than previously thought?
  • by IdahoEv ( 195056 ) on Wednesday October 09, 2002 @11:01AM (#4416744) Homepage
    Um, so why can't we be in a meteor storm?

    We can't because we aren't. A meteor storm is explicitly defined [thursdaysclassroom.com] as a period during which at least 1000 meteors per hour are observed. These events are extremely rare. The Leonids just barely exceeded that in 2001 [space.com], and in 1966 they topped 100,000 per hour over the US. Here's a decent history of the Leonids [leonids.org].

    Meteor showers are common, occurring 10-14 times per year. Meteor storms are quite uncommon, occurring maybe three or four times per century.
  • Re:Nibiru (Score:3, Interesting)

    by susano_otter ( 123650 ) on Wednesday October 09, 2002 @12:47PM (#4417373) Homepage
    Perhaps you'd feel better if you knew about the Origins and Use of the Winged Sun-Disk [premier1.net]. Apparently, it's also mentioned [prs.org] in Maurice's Indian Antiquities . You can get an idea of how widespread this symbol was in this discussion [northvegr.org] about the migration of symbols. Google provides links to many more such sites, if you'd like to conduct further impromptu research.

    It's a pity you didn't see any when you were in Egypt. You appear to have missed out on a significant core element of Egyptian iconography.

  • Re:Better story (Score:2, Interesting)

    by rickwood ( 450707 ) on Wednesday October 09, 2002 @12:47PM (#4417375)
    I never told anyone about the metor I heard explode during a party one October night about 10 years ago. I figured that no one would believe me. For years I thought I must have had an "auditory halucination" or some such. (It was a hell of a party.)

    Then while I was watching Discovery one night about a year ago I heard an astronomer talk about exactly what I saw: A fireball that burst into a shower of sparks with an audible explosion. It's called a bolide.

    Google Search on Metor & Bolide [google.com]

    xrefer bolide entry [xrefer.com]

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