Digital Restrictions Management for P2P Systems

Anonymous Coward writes "Digital restrictions management for an open-source peer-to-peer network. Researchers at the Georgia Tech Information Security Center have created a content protection system that is a plug-in for LimeWire/Gnutella. The paper argues that DRM is beneficial to everyone including independent musicians and end-users."

Benefits fro the end-users?

[NorthDude]

Do someone has understood what would be the benefits for the end-user?

From what I read, it would benefit the user only because "content providers" would be more willing to provide stuff over P2P network.
i don't think this is "benificial" at all to the end user.
It's like if they were telling me: Hey! If you accept to loose control over what you have, can do, their will be so much more content distributed!
Yeah, and so what? I don't give a dam what COULD be distributed online which is not right now!
I already can go out and buy what I need or want.
And If I'm a "bad" guy, I can download movies and MP3's anyway.

I don't want anybody having the control over what information I make available on a network. If this information ever is copywrited, come on home and arrest me.
If not, go away.

Frankly, I agree.

[torpor]

On one condition: as long as the protocols for implementing the restrictions remain *OPEN*, *DOCUMENTED*, and *WELL DEFINED*.

So, what? It's not easy to do it and still actually engineer a restriction plan? Yeah?

Bugger it, who said it has to be easy to do this properly, and not end up with the complete social nightmare like what the good ol' U$ofA is currently happily building?

As an independent musician, as a technology freak (I work for Access Music, I make synthesizers for a living, and I use Linux extensively), and as a renegade from the New World Odor, I think it's good to have a system like this that works so that *ANYONE* - any musician, signed or not, represented by RIAA or not - can actually make their work available and get rewarded for doing so.

But it's gotta stay open, folks. Secrecy behind a corporate stigma is not the way this is going to be done ...

Re:WTF ?

[MindStalker]

This type of DRM doesn't so much restrict you as it adds extra abilities. Basically an "artist" releases a song with DRM controls (proprietary encrypted format) so if you just have plain old limewire, sure you can trade the file. But its going to do you no good (of course someone can convert the file to mp3 and start trading that, but it takes a bit of work) While if you have DRM you can listen to this file, under certain restrictions. The advantage of hooking it straight into limewire is that limewire will now be able to read the headers from the file, and possibily even as as a registration/buying carrier. So you can use limewire to pay to open up the songs. DRM in itself isn't bad, because if the artist wishes to release their song in that format, that is their right. Its the attempts at mandating DRM and having players that won't play songs that other non DRM players will play.

Censorship is never beneficial

[kenp2002]

Censorship is never beneficial. I warned that the DMCA could be used to prohibit access to free material (i.e. Adobe published Edgar Allen Poe's "The Raven" in a DRM format. Project Gutenberg is now violating the circumvention clause regardless of who came first. See the Analog section of the DMCA for details.) This is the second step in the progression to a new dark age... My suggestion is fight fire with fire. Use an encryption format on the next P2P application then, in the EULA state that you cannot use the software unless you are a Non-Corporate, Non-Government agency. If a company uses the app to spy the contents, they are in voliation of the EULA and you sue. If the hack the client they violate the DMCA by circumventing the encryption.

My 2 cents

(I spell crappy... I know... Shashdot needs a spell checker... ispell plugin anyone?)

Re:Frankly, I agree.

[Sheetrock]

No crappy system is going to be made effective by simply hiding the implementation. The best system would be open and unencumbered by patent so that acceptance is more likely across the board.

I'm not personally for preventing Fair Use, mind you, but for stopping the unchecked spread of other peoples' property across the Internet merely because it's convenient and made of electrical impulses. An effective DRM system, in my mind, would not impede the easy transfer and playback we've gotten used to with dumping CDs to tape and MP3 or the like locally but would prevent (the convenient) bulk network transfer of content. I'm positive this would be possible if the major companies would sit down and work this out together rather than trying to figure out how to weasel cash from the whole scheme.

Re:I wonder . . .

[splanky]

>Copyright infringment is NOT theft. They are distinct things. Try picking up some law books (and perhaps the Constition).

Thanks for the legal advice - but try searching on copyright infringement theft and you'll see that those law books you'd like me to read in fact disagree with your position. Finally, I don't think you'll find much mention of the IP issues in the 'Constition' or the Constitution.

What if its against my religious beliefs?

[HanzoSan]

What if my religion or my spirtual beliefs say that we should share all information?

There is a law, which specifically says that your religious beliefs come first.

Even if it werent an openGNU religious kinda thing as it might be for me, Its still very difficult to prove to anyone who has any morals, that sharing is bad.

People who want to buy a CD to support a musician, thats just fine, they will do that even if they own the Mp3s, to support the musician, The musician could sell mp3s and or CDs at their concerts and everyone would buy them.

The RIAA and MPAA however want to continue to be th e middleman. I'm not going to pay the middleman, I want to pay directly to a musician, Musicians should sell their own Mp3s directly to their fans via the web, peer to peer, and at concerts.

I agree peer to peer should allow us to pay if we CHOOSE to pay, If i listen to a song I like i should be able to push a button, and 25 cents should go DIRECTLY to the musician who made that song, no RIAA, no middleman, DIRECT payment via paypal or some other system not built yet.

We should choose what Music should be paid for, and what shouldnt. If Musicians dont want us listening to their music, they shouldnt release it to the public. If they release it to the public, its not their RIGHT as a musician to get us to buy every single thing they release, we should buy only what we want.

Thats how alot of other industries work, you try it, and then you buy it, or you pay the creator for the service and then they release their songs.

Good faith effort

[rushiferu]

Maybe it's just an attempt to create "secure" file sharing networks to help keep the government from mucking around in the situation. I don't think anyone believes a plug-in will be the end all solution, but if people can show they are trying in good faith to fix the "problem" (whatever the problem may be) then it will be easier to keep poorly constructed DRM bills from being shat out by Congress.

Re:I wonder . . .

[splanky]

I think we're still discussing it because of the scale of it and the economic ramifications of it. Back in the 80s, the much loathed music companies were complaining that home taping was killing the music industry. Of course they were wrong. But now, because of scale, file sharing actually is putting a serious economic dent in the music biz. It is simple to say that it's theft, but if we can't as a society convince people that theft is wrong - even if it's from a horrible industry - then it has massive economic ramifications. No one argues that it's ok to break into a neighbors house if they're not nice people, and we should also easily be able to say that it's not ok to ripoff music even if the record biz are a bunch of thieves themselves. Our arguments that we use to defend our theft (as p2p users) are so self serving that it's embarassing. Information yearns to be free, the music biz are thieves themselves, yada yada yada. Theft is theft - that is simple - but the changing attitude towards direct theft or the sheer size of it has serious implications on our economic structure as a whole.

P2P for the enterprise

[asv108]

Whether you like it or not, DRM is the first step for implementing P2P in commercial and academic environments. At the university I work for, we are working on a P2P network for faculty and students to share ACADEMIC materials. To prevent unauthorized uses such as pr0n and mp3 sharing we decided just to have the userids of the original poster and all the sharers travel with the file throughout the network. As far as rights management is concerned, we decided that a very basic form which uses kerb to check if a userid is a student, faculty, or department member.

I realize there are a lot of posts here like "WTF, who would install such a plugin?" People need to look past P2P as just Internet file sharing. There are many uses for P2P in office networks, academic networks, and with wireless pdas, laptops, tablets, etc..

Show Me The Money

[limekiller4]

First, let me say that what I'm about to show might be entirely common among colleges, not just the Georgia Institute of Technology. But whenever I see some academic group pushing something that is inexorably linked to commercial interests, I start looking for a money trail.

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This year, they'll have even more to celebrate, as Microsoft Research's University Relations Group announces a grant that will put "bundles" of its latest software and publications in the hands of 1,000 underrepresented students over the next two years.

EPICS, Microsoft Partnership Donates Software to Hands On Atlanta [gatech.edu] (date unknown)
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This was just a quick check on Google.

Again, there might not be a cookie jar that Microsoft doesn't have their fist in, but it might be nice to know.