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Oldest Nuclear Family Found Murdered In Germany
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kdawson
on Wed Nov 19, 2008 04:16 AM
from the calling-csi-stone-age dept.
from the calling-csi-stone-age dept.
Pickens writes "The oldest genetically identifiable nuclear family met a violent death, according to analysis of remains from 4,600-year-old burials in Germany where the broken bones of these stone age people show they were killed in a struggle. Comparisons of DNA from one grave confirm it contained a mother, father, and their two children. 'We're really sure, based on hard biological facts not just supposing or assuming,' says Dr. Wolfgang Haak, from The Australian Centre for Ancient DNA. The stone-age people are thought to belong to a group known as the Corded Ware Culture, signified by their pots decorated with impressions from twisted cords. The children and adult males had the same type of strontium in their teeth — which was also found locally, but the nearest match to the women's teeth was at least 50km away, suggesting they had moved to the area. 'They were definitely murdered, there are big holes in their heads, fingers and wrists are broken,' says Dr. Alistair Pike from Bristol University. He noted that one victim even had the tip of a stone weapon embedded in a vertebra. 'You feel some kind of sympathy for them, it's a human thing, somebody must have really cared for them. ... We don't know how hard daily life was back there and if there was any space for love,' added Dr. Haak."
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How the heck.. (Score:5, Funny)
How the heck did they survive 4600 years? Was it from all the radiation?? Were they zombies? That is so awesome
Re:How the heck.. (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:How the heck.. (Score:5, Informative)
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Ouch (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Ouch (Score:5, Insightful)
Did anyone else read this as "the woman's teeth were found 50 km away from the rest of her body"? That would be one hell of a sucker-punch!
As if "Nuclear family" wasn't confusing enough.
I thought a family that was famous for something nuclear-related in the '50s had recently been killed.
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Does the local police have any leads? (Score:5, Funny)
The perpetrator of this monstrosity must be caught and brought to justice!
Re:Does the local police have any leads? (Score:5, Insightful)
The perpetrator of this monstrosity must be caught and brought to justice!
It's ok. We're going to set up internet filters to block any web pages that discuss stone tools, so this sort of crime can never happen again.
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Re:Does the local police have any leads? (Score:4, Funny)
(sunglasses)
(exit)
Yeaaaaaaah!
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Re:Does the local police have any leads? (Score:5, Funny)
I am sure they are working in shifts on this case.
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Space for love? Sure. (Score:5, Interesting)
Love seems to be embedded in the very genetic fabric of mammals on some level. I'm sure there was space for love, in a way that made sense back then anyway.
Re:Space for love? Sure. (Score:5, Informative)
The authors statement about time for love is pedantic. There are numerous literary references from contemporary cultures of the same era on love (sumerians, egyptians, etc...). There are surviving cuneiform tablets of poetry, filled with references to love and adoration that are discovered with quite regularity in Iraq.
The human species of 10,000 years ago and of today are virtually identical in our physical and emotional development.
The differences that brought about "modern" civilization were on agricultural practices where we gradually converted from nomadic hunter-gatherer societies to stationary agricultural practices, animal husbandry and permanent communities. Then, as technologies developed (the wheel, the plow, irrigation, pottery, masonry, etc..) we had leisure time to devote to art and literature.
To think that we did not have time for "love" in a harsh environment is to ignore the more contemporary examples such as the Inuit or rain forest peoples where life was very difficult but cohesive families based on love and a sense of belonging have existed for thousands of years.
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Re:Space for love? Sure. (Score:5, Insightful)
At the time, 2500 B.C., we had already built advanced cultures in Egypt, Greece, and China. This is the era from which we get the great pyramids, the earliest oral legends about a great flood and god mythologies, and the first alphabet (not pictograms, but an actual letter-based form of writing).
I don't think there was any difference in intelligence between them and us... not in such a short span of time.
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Re:Space for love? Sure. (Score:5, Funny)
Haven't had time to do extensive research on it (just a few quick 'googles'), but it seems as though many people do put the event of the Noachian Flood at 2360BC or thereabouts.
If that is the case then the violence shown toward this family was actually characteristic of the time they lived in. The Nephilim (known as Fellers of Men) were said to be extremely large and violent (and wouldn't you be, if you were the abomination-son of a demon?). It's also said that the Earth was filled with violence, so much so that God became saddened over his having created Humans who now acted so badly. This, in fact, motivated Him to wipe out the wicked people of that ancient world - doing so by a global deluge.
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Bloody murder - or bloody lie? (Score:5, Insightful)
Murder is a legal construct from relatively modern times; and even the modern definition excludes such things as killing of enemies. The ideas about who is your enemy has shiftet somewhat since that time, I imagine.
that subject sounds like a conspiracy lead-in (Score:5, Funny)
Bloody murder... or bloody LIE? Four mysterious skeletons found with holes in their skulls: join us as we delve into this shocking tale. Archaeologists say they were murdered... but could the truth be far more horrible?
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Care for sure (Score:5, Funny)
it's a human thing, somebody must have really cared for them
Big holes in the head, broken limbs, bits of stone axe in the back? someone must have really cared for them, but in a Charlie Manson sort of way...
Which raises the question: (Score:5, Funny)
Is that the tip of a stone weapon embedded in your vertebra or are you just happy to see me?
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Were Dinosaurs pink and other tales (Score:5, Funny)
I often wonder, when we put characteristics on people when we name them are we making a huge mistake.
Imagine, if you will...
Here's Guntherisk, master of all he surveys, wielder of the mighty stone ax of Guildergrump, slayer of men and ravisher of women - confident that his greatness will be remembered in tales and song for thousands of years to come.
Well apparently not, he will be remembered for his brilliant idea of putting cord marks into pottery (which was actually Mrs Guntherisk's idea).
Space for love (Score:5, Funny)
"We don't know how hard daily life was back there and if there was any space for love"
"there are big holes in their heads"
Hell yeah. Mod me nasty, but you're feelin it.
Re:MOD PARENT DOWN -1 UNFUNNY WITH BAD TASTE (Score:5, Funny)
I like bad taste.. but then again, I'm German.
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Re:MOD PARENT DOWN -1 UNFUNNY WITH BAD TASTE (Score:5, Funny)
But then, the small scale of the atrocity strikes me rather Ungerman, sorry for the taste, I'm German too.
And just for the record, a quotation, attribute, of Margret Thatcher after a German football (soccer) victory:
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Re:MOD PARENT DOWN -1 UNFUNNY WITH BAD TASTE (Score:5, Interesting)
Please forgive me commenting on a moderation, but who am I flaimbaiting here?
Sorry, but we Germans have earned quite a reputation of going large-scale berzerk in the last centuries and every neighbouring country of us has suffered from it. Every sane German knows this and won't argue about this. And, I think, I hope, we changed much of our political attitude during the last sixty years. Making fun of our inglorious history may very well classify for bad taste - and bad jokes doubly so - but how can it be flamebait?
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Re:That's a terrible headline? (Score:4, Informative)
I cherish your slashdot bashing but here the BBC [bbc.co.uk] is the sensationalist:
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Re:That's a terrible headline? (Score:5, Funny)
That would be startling. There aren't any Grizzly Bears in Europe.
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Re:what's wrong with one world government? (Score:5, Insightful)
The argument against one world government is a simple one based on biodiversity. Basically, if that single government is fucked up, we are all screwed. You see that theme in a lot of dystopian scifi. It's the individuals on the fringe--the "savages"--that fight to topple the one world order (e.g., Gattaca, Brave New World).
The advantage of tribalism was that many different groups developed their own cultures, both sustainable and unsustainable, and evolutionary processes weeded out the unsustainable ones (including the violent ones, if you examine tribal history in the Americas).
The advent of larger social groupings like cities and nations, based on the development of totalitarian agriculture, allows the formation of caste systems including "warrior" castes (like the military or the police). Once a social group has enough resources to support a warrior caste it can exert its control upon its neighbors and wipe out more peaceful groups. I would argue that at this point a social group can no longer be called a tribe (which invalidates your original argument about the dangers of tribalism).
We are trending towards one world culture, and the danger is that if this culture is fundamentally flawed (and it's not hard to arrive at that conclusion), the damage caused by its downfall will affect the entire planet rather than an isolated group.
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